What can I do to make my wife like music again?

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She and I had an argument last night culminating in me telling her we have nothing in common and asking her why she married me. I admit I blew things way out of proportion. But I asked her why she didn't like music anymore and reminded her of a time when she would enjoy sitting around drinking wine and listening to some tunes and hanging out. Now she says she would rather just listen to NPR or go in the other room. She said she is sick of the music. She said she likes most of what I listen too but isn't into it that much anymore. Do I need to do another striptease to "Strip". What the hell, it makes me sad. Make her a mix tape?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 14:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I've suggested she choose the music too. She said she would rather not.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

This is bad. This is very bad.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 27 January 2003 14:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Sounds like a nightmare, Chris. Sorry. Maybe she just needs a little break from listening to music. I get those sometimes. A little music block where I don't want to listen to ANYTHING. I just need silence or maybe some conversation because there's too much noise. Ok, doesn't happen that often, but has happened before... So I would try to comfort her and change the subject, and she'll come around and want to dance and party with loud music soon enough.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

It's a good idea to have a bit of separate space anyway - Isabel and I are like this, I like spending evenings reading/surfing and listening to music; she likes to spend them with the TV. We manage fine by compromising, and "going into the other room" isn't that big a deal.

On the other hand it might be that music is the symbol of some deeper grumpiness in which case you'd best get to the bottom of it. :(

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 27 January 2003 14:39 (twenty-three years ago)

It is bad. She told me she appreciates that I appreciate music soooo much but she just isn't into it. Then I told her all her liking of the same music 6 years ago when we got together was a ploy for her to get me to like her. Like I said I blew it all out of proportion.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok she just called me a few minutes ago and I heard Durutti Column - "Otis" in the background. I asked her what she was doing and she was doing some bills listening to a cd I made for myself a few days ago. And she was really liking "Otis". Yippeee! maybe this is a start of something. I want to make her a nice mix for valentines day, maybe with all the stuff we used to listen to on it.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)

This is better. This is much better.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris, maybe not. maybe do something else for Valentine's day, something surprising and considerate that doesn't involve music. If it's a sensitive subject (especially as relatively speaking it's not the be all and end all), then just leave it in the background for a while.

― Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah good idea mark.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

write her a song? how bout that?

― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Hard one, this. How about stop being so shallow and petty and let her get on with things? Is your relationship built on more than just 'a love of music'? If it is not and this is a major problem for you - maybe divorce and marry your local record shop? Sorry. This is how I'm reading it. Sounds like you've got deeper problems and maybe you should look more closely at your relationship.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry robotman your wrong.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, its built on much, much more than love of music. and our love of trolls.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey - the a marriage is incredibly tough. And hard work. But blowing off because 'she's not into music' is well ... shallow.

Sorry but your post struck me as being insular and selfish. I called it. It can't be all fluffy clouds to bounce on in ILE. Otherwise it would be orwellian.

'Nuff said. I@m off this post.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

aw, is my idea too slushy and cliched to actually work, and therefore crap?

i'll get back to me fluffy clouds...

― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.indiamike.com/photopost/data/504/46fluffy_clouds-med.jpg

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

no g its not, in fact its a great idea since i have been practicing my guitar playing.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Do you have a 4-track, Chris? You could write a song and ask if she'd contribute vox or something? Set up the mic for her like a real pro. Very romantic...

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

awwwwwww at the clouds!

― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Errr. Has anyone actually listened to what the wife said in all of this. Might be worth a factoring in??

Wife: I'm sick of music.
Husband: That's great darling, here is a song.

Something to think about guys...

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I wish I had a 4-track. Is there some sort of way to do this using my pc? Don't they have plugins?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

oh and im not blowing off my marriage....i'm not saying im unhappy with my marriage...im saying i was sad because she didn't like music anymore. believe me, im not going to get a divorce over something little like this. and i don't think my record shop is single anyway.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

mmm... sassy record shops... mmm...

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, you could use your pc, i reckon. just remember to change yr volume and input settings on yr volumey toolbar thingy.

hey, that robot guy went back on his word and posted again! i'm never trusting him again.

― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 27 January 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm just saying chill off the music thing and she will come back to it. i.e. Listen to what she is saying. Don't force what you think is right onto her. Probably the worse move to make. It's got a side-line issue of communication.

*shrugs shoulders*

Again, ignoring it and saying 'I know you are tired of music but hey here is a song' is probably not the best way to go.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:01 (twenty-three years ago)

he may have a point. taking advice from me is generally the dumbest thing you can do.

― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

would you have sex with your record shop if you could? Mines a little dry and dusty.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I think there's a kernel of truth in Robotman's gruff point-making - would not listening so much to music for a bit be so awful, Chris? I know Isabel gets pissed off sometimes cos when I'm listening to a track it can be a real attention-eater.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:03 (twenty-three years ago)

mine doesnt even sell good records. it'd be like fucking an Our Price. and that's just filthy. even for me.

― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i won't force anything on her, and you are right mr robot its probably not a good idea. I agree with you on that. But i disagree with you thinking i want out of my marriage over something like this. no, i can listen to music all day but when she comes home on friday nights i should just turn it off. which i will start doing. i was surprised by her listening to Durutti this morning though.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Why don't you do something she wants to do instead? It's all about compromise. Force issues and yer marriage is not going to last long and nobody will be happy.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

we do that most of the time, we compromise all the time. we have a great marriage, its wonderful. It was one little thing that bothered me. I'm even starting to like "Trading Spaces" and "A Wedding Story". In fact I find myself watching them when she isn't home.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I like record shops like I like my man - dirty, eclectic, and full of hidden treasures.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Chill out, man. I don't even know you. Just made an easy point that everybody was missing.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Ooh!! ooh!! Trading SPaces!

Anyway, I feel your pain Chris. It seems like whenever I complain about one little aspect of my life to anybody they act like I think my life sucks. But I totally don't. Just sometimes there are those little problems that need fixin' and you wanna talk about them.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

As a happily married man, I think robotman needs to shut the fuck up.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

But why be so defensive? I was not talking about his marriage or his life. Just made a point. Just accept or reject and move on? That's what I do?

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Do you ever.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

O.k., you freaks. Bye.

(Symptom of ILE - someone makes a small point - a neurotic becomes defensive - the posse is formed to attack - the newcomer leaves - it's all safe fluffy clouds).

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

That Doug guy on Trading Spaces is a real ass. And where is Vern this season? His designs always kicked ass. Franks designs are friggin awful, and I don't like Hildys that much either. Now Geneive(sp?) can design the hell out of anything.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Robotman you are SO NOT a newcomer!!

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Music is way more than a hobby to a lot of people and it can be a serious issue - more so than some interests I guess, because you have to listen to it all the time. I don't think it's selfish to be upset over this situation.

I have seen relationships struggle when one partner suddenly decided the other was obsessed and silly to fly to the UK to see a band, when previously they saw it as a fun adventure. One girl I knew made it clear she didn't want her bf to see his music friends anymore - she refused to come out with them and made him feel guilty for buying records. What kind of a game is that?

It's pretty unfair to insist that the partner stops playing records because you suddenly lose interest, when you knew how much a part of them it was to begin with. Compromise is fine to an extent, but personally I couldn't stay with someone who made it a huge issue because it's such an integral part of my everyday life.

Chris, I hope things work out ok. You can always write her a song *and* take her out for a nice evening. I mean, I may play records all the time but I'm always up for a gorgeous bouquet of flowers or a nice meal too.

― elisabeth k, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes elizabeth but it's better to admit you're not that into it than feign an interest surely?

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Im not attacking. I just don't like the fact that my marriage was labeled as shit and me as selfish. Because I'm not by any means. Yes, I will continue to take her to dinner and buy her flowers (I do that now). And no I don't take her to clubs.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

the posse is formed to attack...
I'm in the posse??? Oh, joy!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Soon it will be the size of Hammers posse Sarah. You must practice your running man.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Did I call your marriage shit? This is why I'm not bothered with ILE. I've gone through some trauma. I realised that beyond my friends that I've made on here and have met in real life that well ... this board is actually unrepresentative and unrealistic allegory of life.

Still think your comment was selfish, Chris.

Now this will go either two ways: mocked or cocked.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

There is a third way...

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

or socked!
http://www.picturefish.com/images/people/kymsocks1.html

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn it.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Shlocked?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

See the allegory thread Robotman. And who said ILE was sup[posed to be an allegory of real life (hah!) anyway?

I agree with the contents of your first post by the way, but with its tone its hardly surprising you've had stuff back with a similar tone.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I'm sympathetic. I couldn't listen to music for a couple of years after being inundated with music in all aspects of my life.
When people tried to make me like music at that time by giving me music, taking me to shows or talking to me about it, I just found it depressing.

Then I discovered in sports. Then ILX. Now I like music again but I'm glad I took time to cultivate other interests. So maybe a break can be ok.

Chris, hope things improve. Sounds like you're both putting forth the effort, and that's a sign of a good relationship.

― felicity (felicity), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Write your wife a song about Trading Spaces!

― rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

This is all meaningless psycho-babble - symptomatic of americana 'feel-good' culture and very very unhealthy.

Why not call it as it is? Does that not raise the game?

Not 'trolling' but being blunt?

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

My band has a song called TLC inspired by Trading Spaces. A reviewer commented on the "song about interior decorating" and my band thought it was funny. Little do they know he was OTM...

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:29 (twenty-three years ago)

doomie was correct in his first point i feel

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Trolls always say they're being blunt though.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

These threads are so meaningless. It's the ego talking to the other ego. It's fascinating reading but as a tool? No way!

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom - that's my point exactly. In my example the girl liked music to begin with - but in a "I'm at university and Stereolab gigs are cool" kind of way I guess. Once she hit her late 20s and settled into the job thing, her priorities changed. Maybe she thought he would grow out of it. However for six years she just kept quiet and went along with it. Total disaster! And totally her fault if you ask me.

I'm not saying this situation is like that though. It just reminded me of how contentious music as a lifestyle can be.

― elisabeth k, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:31 (twenty-three years ago)

hehe a song about Trading Spaces.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Q: Is Trading Spaces the US version of Changing Rooms?

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Can I be in the posse? I wanna be in the posse! Is there an initiation ceremony?

― smee (smee), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Black Metal Style.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:33 (twenty-three years ago)

ILE is the ceremony.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes it is Pete. Someone needs to make an ILX has a posse sticker.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

How did I troll it, Tom?

Listen, going to back out again - but I did not troll it. I offered a differing opinion without calling names etc.

Again fascinating reading but is it helpful? A big resounding NO. It's a cult. An ILE cult. But I'm not going to persuade anyone nor do I want to. If you enjoy it and it harms no one, why not?

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

This is a game we have seen before. A comment is immediately filled with a back story invented (and contained nearly entirely within the psyche of) the traumatized interlocutor in the name of necessary bluntness. This leads nowhere. If robotman just had a lousy weekend (for reasons that are not hard to understand), robotman needs to go in a room and scream his head off for a few minutes or hours. Alone.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

i think chris's wife might feel, well, that you are forcing it on her chris (the situation may well be totally different, but i can only go on what youve posted here). now i'm sure its not like that really, and you didnt expect all this to blow up like it has. but i do agree with doomie (i just wanted to say that again!), i read it the same way.

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Seems to me that, from reading the above and ignorant of whatever other issues may be involved, either this whole situation is symbolic of deeper problems, or the truth is that people get older, do not feel the need to obsess ceaselessly over music, to have it as the foreground of their lives. There are other things in life to think about and be interested in. That's how life develops. We can't be 21 forever. Some find it easier to let go than others. Spouses/partners kind of have to develop/evolve at the same rate. If you get the feeling that one person is developing away from the other then either you have to end it, find a shrewd way of drawing the partner back, or compromise in some way. Consequently I don't think that Chris is being unreasonable in his posts, nor that Paul is being unreasonable in his responses.

The marriage, if strong enough, will survive, but some of the baggage from the past might have to be let go, or left to fade into the background, or stored up in the attic. That doesn't mean that it won't be of any use or joy in the future.

One immutable argument for hanging on to your music, though - suppose one day you decide to have kids? Imagine how good you're going to feel introducing them to music. True, they might sneer at what you play them until they're about 16, but - you know, it's another option.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

But I'm not going to persuade anyone nor do I want to.

Then why did you even say anything?

This is a game we have seen before.

Quite.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

But I'm not forcing. I'm not sitting her down and strapping headphones on her head. Its not like "hey listen to this". It's simply when she comes home from work and I'm sitting there reading and listening.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Errr...Colin, again, how did I troll this thread? How did I do anything beyond offering a differing opinion? This is creepy.

This is sort of why I've backed away. In times of crisis I go to my friends and not ILE because I get the truth; as harmful or helpful to my ego it might be.

I was making observation Ned. Is ILE not based on observations of life anymore? Did I miss something?

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Robotman you aren't a troll and I didn't call you one - you're just you. I was just musing that "I'm just being blunt / speaking the REAL TRUTH" etc. is something that trolls say quite often. Disgruntled regulars of all stripes say it too, which is why it's such an effective troll-tactic.

Marcello is OTM.

Also - one of the most important things in a partnership is to be able to listen/see a bit with the other persons ears/eyes - if Chris has been the 'musical provider' since the start of the relationship then that's definitely worth thinking about. Maybe if Chris listened to the music and tried to work out *why* someone might get sick of it...? :)

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

chris, you may not be forcing her. but, she might she it that way, "i wish he'd just leave it for a bit, i'm tired!" you know? the thing is, the more you push at anything, the more people pull away.

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

ie, its a matter of perspective. and its her perspective that matters in this case

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Marcello said it all right there. He is right 100%, as we are approaching thirty she has come to grips with the fact that we are in fact not 21 anymore. I'm having a harder time with that. And yes, she has mentioned the introducing our children to music thing all the time. So maybe she isn't saying to me she really dislikes music anymore, that it is simply she needs a break. I will give it to her.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Gareth, Marcello, Tom and Pete have all said that you had something to offer in this situation, Robotman. I happen to agree. But I think that it's also perfectly clear that your purported 'bluntness' was incredibly rude and rather troll-like, and that when you were called on it Robotman Martyrdom Miracle Play Part 8343 kicked in.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I apologize robotman for getting so defensive.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't, and wouldn't, use the word "troll". I said what I said -- which is that I found your answer assumed an awful lot about the original question, and that you weren't interested in being contradicted, even by facts, because you were working on a larger truth. This is what I meant by saying you brought your own backstory.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

perhaps you could show her the thread chris? print it off and let her see it?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Why is being obsessed with music only ok when you're 21? A lot of my fellow collectors are in their fifties. They all have incredibly successful jobs/lives and all that stuff and aren't lacking in the social skills department, apart from being a little geeky when you get them all together in a room I guess.

And if I didn't have them, I wouldn't know most of the stuff I do at 28. (a bit like the "play music to your kids" argument!)

― elisabeth k, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I am somewhat sympathetic towards robotman because willful misreadings of both sides happened in the exchange between robotman and Chris. Chris saw the words "selfish" and "shallow" and got pissed (understandably). Conversely, robotman seems to have completely missed the "I admit I blew things out of proportion" part, which implies to me that Chris didn't need the rude grounding that robotman gave him. I'm also amused that someone trying to school people on effective communication made a communication blunder (or, to put it another way, seems to think that the most effective way to communicate with people is to piss them off).

Anyway, I do agree with robotman's central point; leave it alone and spend some time focusing on something non-musical that she likes. This is definitely a situation where you need to give in and make her feel special, especially since you had an out-of-proportion fight about.

(DAMN YOU ALL FOR GOING PAST THE POINT WHERE THIS POST MATTERS. Oh well, I'm posting the fucker anyway.)

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned, if you only knew how shitty that comment was. But as I told Kate, Suzy, Mark S and Marcello - that is the specific reason why I am off the board at the moment.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe it has to do with the fact that when I beat her in Trivia Pursuit I played "Between Clark and Hilldale" 10 times and did a dance.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe you should have played her Sperminator ~ No Women Allowed?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:51 (twenty-three years ago)

True, they might sneer at what you play them until they're about 16, but - you know, it's another option.

And even then they might sneer at it, at which point you will have given them the gift which surpasseth all others.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

ile: birthing grounds of the passive-aggressive beastly bastard.
but he's so nice all the time. he can get away with that!

pah.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 16:53 (twenty-three years ago)

dude you just described my life!

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 16:57 (twenty-three years ago)

not taken to the extremes of some follks around here.

pah. double pah!

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh i didnt mean on here!

i meant out there!

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Robotman,
Maybe you'd enjoy this thread.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

"awww, isnt he lovely" etc etc you know, its cool!

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, come on Gareth I'm not a chauvanist.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it also stems from the fact that I am obsessive compulsive and tend to play the same things all the time.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

oh you mean the sperminator track? no, i was being facetious! its a good track though, if you dig the rotterdam sound

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Robotman Martyrdom Miracle Play Part 8343 kicked in.

Yeah, let's have a thread - Doomie's recent Orphandom. That would be funny! Yeah. Yeah.

― jack sprat, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I know Gareth, I was kidding around. Whats the Rotterdam sound? Is it dance music? I'm not up on my dance music?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

dance music.

anyway, to totally derail the thread and get one million new answers id said to doomie that i find his inistence that everyone pussyfoots around totally wide of the mark. like i think itds pretty honest. for example i dont give a fuck if youve been orphaned. i mean boring! all this death stuff. hey WEVE ALL HAD IT!. why should i be interested in a sefl-aggrandising hipster fools like? tell it to people who care? im too busy thinking about the people who are worth bothering with, you know?

i mean, i see that as telling it like it is you know! or maybe youd prefer the fluffy white clouds?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Gareth - that is exactly the reason I don't give a shit about this board.

Thanks for being honest.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i was honest with you all along

you dont have a fucking clue about the tragedy that other people have had here. not a fucking clue. its all about you! all the fucking time. and you wonder why you have no friends in life. because you onoly give a fuck about yourself

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Not true. You don't know me. And I know about tradegy. I know how funny/crazy/sad it is. But I don't give a fuck about you, really. So I am not going to defend myself.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

and you do give a shit about this board. why would anyone waste ONE SECOND of their life on something they didnt give a shit about. life is short. only do things you like

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-three years ago)

hey you two, take it off line and onto email, or at least onto its own thread plz

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

yes you know about tragedy. but you think it only happens to you.

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Boredom at work. Too catch up on people I like and whose lives they document here. I give a shit about four/five people on the board but not you or Chris or Ned.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-three years ago)

no mark. it needs to be said.

its all right coming one way isnt it. but when a bit goes back the other way. and the fragile fuck up gets some back its tears all round?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:20 (twenty-three years ago)

oh fuck off you condescending twat.

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, Gareth. That was possibly the most evil debate technique I've ever witnessed.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

stop this before i start to like you!

: - o

― robotman, Monday, 27 January 2003 17:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Women (in general) are less obsessed with music than guys. If they are, many will grow less interested in music - especially if they are in a relationship. Something I am also experiencing. That said, I still like music a lot, but differently than before. There's nothing wrong with it. If you feel it *is*, then you need to address that (listen more maybe). Chris, I don't necessarily think that there's sth *deeper* to be sought. At the end of the day music isn't THAT important. Especially not more than a relationship.

― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

(o)(o) <<<

― Chris V. (Chris V), Monday, 27 January 2003 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)