If It Makes You Less Sad I Will POLL Emo Albums

I hope you find out what you want.
I already know what I am.

http://imgur.com/8izIvbK.jpg

Emo, screamo, pop-punk, skate punk, mallcore, post-hardcore, ska punk, psychobilly and Warped Tour music.

This poll is genre inclusive so I won’t be policing nominations but every one should more-or-less have an idea of the genre aesthetic being polled. Classic 70s punk doesn’t really belong here (Sex Pistols, the Clash) but some Dischord albums are okay (if just on the edge) as well as other proto-emo bands (and in fact I’m very interested in stretching the lineage of this kind of music as far back as it goes without becoming unreasonable).

We’re polling albums, not tracks (though if there’s enough demand I don’t mind running a track poll either concurrently or sequentially).

We will run with one week of nominations. Next Monday (2/20) I will open the voting thread. Per request voting will run for two weeks. Rollout will begin around 3/6.

Here are 10 albums to start off the nominations:

Brand New - Deja Entendu
Thursday - War All the Time
Streetlight Manifesto - Everything Goes Numb
The Promise Ring - Nothing Feels Good
Braid - Frame & Canvas
Jimmy Eat World - Bleed American
Taking Back Sunday - Where You Want to Be
Dashboard Confessional - The Places You Have Come to Fear the Most
Fall Out Boy - Infinity on High
My Chemical Romance - Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge

it's happening!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sByRl7VVT4

YEAAAAAAHHHHHH

can we do a song title poll as well?

NPR clued me into this new emo band this week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDbkANrP-H8

Yeah! That's a good idea. Vote for your favorite song title and I'll run it as a secondary poll during the album rollout.

Woo!

Los Campesinos! - Romance is Boring
Joyce Manor - Joyce Manor
Modern Baseball - Holy Ghost
Crying - Beyond the Fleeting Gales
Fall Out Boy - From Under the Cork Tree
Embrace - Embrace

Early aughts emo was very much filtered through mtv2 for me so looking forward to checking out a lot of the stuff that wasn't getting through to 12 year olds.

I def want a trax poll but fine if not.

Do we get the usual 25 noms or just whatever?

thanks in advance Mordy

The Blood Brothers - Burn, Piano Island, Burn
The Blood Brothers - March On, Electric Children!
At the Drive-In - Vaya EP
Juno - This Is the Way It Goes and Goes and Goes
Juno - A Future Lived in Past Tense
Fall Out Boy - Folie a Deux
Julien Baker - Sprained Ankle
Chore - Take My Mask and Breathe

however many u want. tracks poll depending on participation in this one.

Rites of Spring - Rites of Spring
One Last Wish - One Last Wish
Hotelier - Home, Like Noplace There Is
Hotelier - Goodness
Cursive - Ugly Organ
Cursive - Domestica
Bright Eyes - Fevers and Mirrors
Desaparecidos - Read Music/Speak English
Paramore - Brand New Eyes
Paramore - Paramore
Blood Brothers - Young Machetes

The Good Life - Novena on a Nocturne
Cursive - Domestica
Cursive - The Ugly Organ
Jeff Rosenstock - WORRY.
Jeff Rosenstock - We Cool?
Bomb the Music Industry! - Vacation

Death Cab for Cutie - Transatlanticism
The Promise Ring - Very Emergency
Teen Suicide - It’s the Big Joyous Celebration, Let’s Stir the Honeypot
Joyce Manor - Never Hungover Again
Panic! at the Disco - A Fever you Can’t Sweat Out
The Wrens - The Meadowlands
Weezer - Pinkerton

The Wrens - The Meadowlands

lol it begins

Death Cab for Cutie - We Have the Facts and We're Voting Yes
Joyce Manor - Cody
Against Me! - Is the Eternal Cowboy
Against Me! - New Wave
Antarctigo Vespucci - Leavin' La Vida Loca
Dear Nora - Mountain Rock
The Menzingers - Rented World
The Wonder Years - No Closer to Heaven
Royal Headache - High
Pianos Become the Teeth - Keep You

lol it begins

Y'know Big Star is pretty emo...

I find it amusing that said comment was in relation to The Meadowlands and not Pinkerton.

Was gonna say

I feel like Pinkerton has been grandfathered into emo by now, but not gonna push it.

yeah for better or worse Pinkerton is an essential inclusion imo

just for fun I'ma throw in some of the CanCon of my youth

Moneen - Are We Really Happy With Who We Are Right Now?
North of America - Brothers, Sisters
The Weakerthans - Left and Leaving

All-American Rejects - Move-Along
The Good Life - Blackout
The World is a Beautiful Place and I am Not Afraid to Die - Harmlessness
89 Cubs - There Are Giants in the Earth

Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I

was trying to think of a subtle-ish thread troll and dismemberment plan was one of the couple i came down to. beat me to it.

Here Come the Warm Jets

lol

Envy - All the Footprints You've Ever Left and the Fear Expecting Ahead
Hopefall - The Satellite Years
Ethel Meserve - The Milton Abandonment

And if we're allowed compilations:

Cap'n Jazz - Analphabetapolothology

Flagging 89 Cubs because they're one of the great mid-'00s indie-emo bands nobody remembers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAw_akqfj6c

Also nominating a couple Decibully records, because they were secretly the best Polyvinyl band

Decibully - City of Festivals
Decibully - Sing Out America!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwjmIweBJg

Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Theory
Jawbreaker - Dear You
Jets to Brazil - Orange Rhyming Dictionary
Elliott - US Songs
Against Me! - Reinventing Axl Rose
Smart Went Crazy - Now We're Even
Unwound - Leaves Turn Inside You

The Dismemberment Plan - Change

Hot Water Music - Forever and Counting
Hot Water Music - Fuel for the Hate Game
Planes Mistaken for Stars - Planes Mistaken for Stars
Mock Orange - The Record Play
The Promise Ring - Nothing Feels Good
Cursive - Domestica
Sunny Day Real Estate - Diary
Sunny Day Real Estate - LP2
Small Brown Bike - Our Own Wars
Jawbreaker - 24 Hour Revenge Therapy

Rainer Maria - Past Worn Searching

Texas Is the Reason - Do You Know Who You Are?

A thousand albums, three chord sequences

;)

I have never listened to any Promise Ring, Braid, Saves the Day or Cap'n Jazz. I guess this is my chance to rectify this gap

xp in the spirit of this thread i'd like to compare your hurtful words to a geyser of blood drained from my veins

lmao

Brand New - The Devil and God are Raging Inside Me
Taking Back Sunday - Tell All Your Friends
Taking Back Sunday - Louder Now
Coheed and Cambria - Second Stage Turbine Blade
Elliott - False Cathedrals
Jejune - This Afternoons Malady
The Jazz June - The Medicine
Jimmy Eat World - Clarity
Rainer Maria - Look Now Look Again
Say Anything - ...Is a Real Boy

i already disagree with at least five of the nominations so this'll be fun lol

Dag Nasty - Can I Say
Rival Schools - United by Fate
3 - Dark Days Coming
Christie Front Drive - s/t
Driver Friendly - Bury a Dream
Sunny Day Real Estate - How It Feels to Be Something On
American Football - American Football
The Appleseed Cast - Mare Vitalis
The Appleseed Cast - Low Level Owl
Shudder to Think - Funeral at the Movies
The Get-Up Kids - Four Minute Mile
Saves the Day - Stay What You Are

Dang, I gotta think about this some more. off the top of my head

Snowing - I Could Do Whatever I Wanted If I Wanted
Saves the Day - Through Being Cool
i hate myself - 4 songs
Lifetime - Jersey's Best Dancers

and

American Nightmare - Background Music
^^^ not sure if to call the band American Nightmare or Give Up The Ghost or American Nothing or whichever moniker

prob more to come
aaaaand xp gavin just wrote like 4 of mine so lemme just delete those real quick

yesss appleseed cast

Pinegrove - Cardinal

And if we're allowed compilations:

Cap'n Jazz - Analphabetapolothology

― ultros ultros-ghali, Monday, February 13, 2017 2:09 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would've been inclined to vote for burritos, inspiration point etc. as an album i.e. the first 12 tracks of analphabetapolothology but also it's not like there's a bad track on the compilation or that i'll be unhappily voting for it

Yay!

Bright Eyes - Lifted or The Story is in the Soil, Keep Your Ear to the Ground
Rilo Kiley - The Execution of All Things
The Starting Line - Say It Like You Mean It
Dashboard Confessional - A Mark, A Mission, A Brand, A Scar
Fall Out Boy - Take This to Your Grave
The Movielife - Forty Hour Train Back to Penn
The Get Up Kids - Guilt Show
Straylight Run - Straylight Run
The Early November - The Room's Too Cold
Chumped - Teenage Retirement

This thread needs more trolling. Someone nominate Joy Division.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD1DbtVP1Og

what is this poll's tolerance for arty indie with emo leanings

Ha, my post-hardcore-obsessed teenage friend did cite Joy Division as one of the pioneering emo bands, alongside Rites of Spring.

Okara - Months Like Years
Angel Hair - Pregnant With the Senior Class

Waxahatchee - Cerulean Salt

..if that would be considered emo

Shotmaker - Discography

xxxxp my belief about polls: nominate according to how you understand the parameters, vote according to how you understand the parameters. if it's not a good fit ppl won't vote for it.

Hoover - Hoover

i think of cerulean salt as emo, so yeah let's nominate it

i hate sex - Circle Thinking

sund4r! shotmaker!!!!!

90s Ottawa represent. (Only made it to 5 Arlington twice before it closed, though.)

I got to Ottawa well after 5 Arlington. Only moved there in 1999 (and wasn't old enough to start going to shows until like 2000, 2001). The way people used to talk about Shotmaker in hushed tones though, wow. I listened to a few mp3s off of soulseek at the time but more or less forgot their name until now!!! currently listening to mouse ear, damn i like this even more thna I thought I would in 2017/at age 32!

what emo is like the Crying album btw

Oh, check out the Okara album if you don't know it. The Beatles to Shotmaker's Stones?? The best 90s band that no one heard, anyway.

xp Try Rush and Van Halen

Actually, you might like Okara too, imago!

Native Nod - Today Puberty, Tomorrow the World

(Seriously, I would also love to hear more stuff that sounds like Crying but I don't know that anyone is doing the precise thing they do.)

Collecting all noms here:
http://open.spotify.com/user/mordys/playlist/1zWI04ISPBer8XlzI3hb5D

thanks!

(wrong embrace in the playlist)
https://open.spotify.com/album/6hgvPpFtEUDYVsBwvkiSty

got it, thx.

Armor For Sleep - What To Do When You Are Dead
Armor For Sleep - Dream to Make Believe
Pedro the Lion – Control
Pedro the Lion – Whole EP
Pedro the Lion – It’s Hard to Find A Friend

wondering if Idaho should be involved?

i have some more noms

Thursday - A City By the Light Divided
Thursday - Full Collapse
Coheed & Cambria - In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth
The Academy Is… - Almost Here
A.F.I. - Sing the Sorrow
Pretty Girls Make Graves - Élan Vital
Something Corporate - Leaving Through the Window
Thrice - Artist in the Ambulance
Motion City Soundtrack - My Dinosaur Life
blink-182 - Take Off Your Pants and Jacket
blink-182 - blink-182
The Ataris - So Long, Astoria

(obv trying to lure in markers w/ blink noms)

Was wondering when Blink would get nominated

My Chemical Romance - The Black PArade

Heh, I almost feel like I'm trolling, given what the rest of the noms are like, but I don't think I am (at least it's not all I'm doing)!

i don't think so! it's a broad aesthetic i'm looking for.

Be Your Own Pet are too garage to get in under the pop-punk umbrella right?

death cab for cutie - we have the facts and we're voting yes
i hate myself - ten songs
indian summer - science 1994
karate - karate
karate - in place of real insght
piebald - if it weren't for venetian blinds, it would be curtains for us all
pretty girls make graves - good health
pretty girls make graves - the new romance

Mohinder - Discography

sleepytime trio - memory-minus

Crying - Beyond the Fleeting Gales

wow! how did i miss this from just last year? it's great

Completely missed it as well, probably my favourite of the last few years now

https://twitter.com/cryingband/status/830232632449519618

also the poll of bands who have asserted that they're definitely not emo

also the poll of bands who have asserted that they're definitely not emo

― Mordy, Monday, February 13, 2017 5:12 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the first sign that they're emo

At The Drive-In - Relationship of Command

(And this poll is already the best ILM poll in the history of ILM. The river overfloweth)

I really love the Crying album but girlish indie-pop vocals + hard rock guitar shredding + chiptune synths isn't what "emo" calls to my mind either.

You're right Crying should definitely win this poll

Ha, I might even vote for them! I wasn't disputing their inclusion in Mordy's poll, just saying I can understand their reaction to the label.

i think i talked about crying being "emo" in the album poll thread but imo they're 1) not emo 2) happen to play with several bands that are emo 3) sometimes #2 makes you emo anyway

emo is entirely a phenomenon of reception theory

xp otm If I'd heard them outside of the emo thread and outside of being on Run for cover I would not be calling them emo

I probably said this before but my first exposure to them was when someone played the early single version of "Patriot" in plug. I thought they were a 70s prog/AOR band at first.

I am going to try my hardest to listen to at least some of every nommed album/band that is new to me

I'm def going to try to listen to all of the noisier or post-hardcore albums (what I think they're calling "screamo" these days).

almost forgot J. Robbins!

Burning Airlines - Mission: Control!
Jawbox - For Your Own Special Sweetheart
Jawbox - s/t

Pedro the Lion - The Only Reason I Feel Secure
Pedro the Lion - Winners Never Quit
Death Cab for Cutie - The Photo Album
Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning
Bright Eyes - Letting Off the Happiness

actually excited about this.

can i just go on the record for

Fall Out Boy - all of the Fall Out Boy albums <3

i'm gonna need you to specify them by name but i agree w/ the sentiment (at least infinity on high and onward)

fuck it let's do this

Aereogramme - A Story In White
Aereogramme - Sleep And Release

no apologies for arty british post-emo, no apologies at all

i saw Aereogramme live in San Francisco, had a blast.

i don't know if i'll vote since i mostly only like the emo-adjacent stuff but i'm looking forward to this

You could probably make a solid case for There's Nothing Wrong With Love as emo tbh

emo in content if not in execution

i haven't voted in an ilm non-year-end poll in a very long time (maybe ever?) but i am all in on this one

You could probably make a solid case for There's Nothing Wrong With Love as emo tbh

that's tricky, there's a buncha bands/records of that era that I'd prefer to classify as "rainy midwestern indie" (see also 764-HERO and early Modest Mouse)

I think I do have to quibble with classifying something as emo that no one would have called emo at the time.

(if we're talking about something that actually was released in 1994)

I mean, that's also the Meadowlands issue.

Very excited for this!

The Get Up Kids - Something to Write Home About
Sunny Day Real Estate - The Rising Tide

The Dismemberment Plan - Is Terrified
The Dismemberment Plan - Change
Fugazi - Repeater
Against Me! - Transgender Disphoria Blues
Blood Brothers - Young Machetes
Desaparecidos - Payola
Drive Like Jehu - Yank Crime
Give Up The Ghost - We're Down Til We're Underground
Hop Along - Get Disowned
Last Days Of April - Angel Youth
Modern Baseball - Holy Ghost
Pretty Girls Make Graves - Good Health
Pretty Girls Make Graves - New Romance
Propagandhi - Less Talk, More Rock
Refused - The Shape Of Punk To Come
Solea - Solea
Title Fight - Shed
Touche Amore - Parting The Sea Between Brightness And Me
Touche Amore - Is Survived By
Far - Water And Solutions

🤔

Alkaline Trio - Crimson
Brandtson - Letterbox
Fireside - Elite
Juno - This Is the Way It Goes and Goes and Goes
Knapsack - Day Three of My New Life
Knapsack - This Conversation Is Ending Stating Right Now
oso oso - The Yunahon Mixtape
Pop Unknown - If Arsenic Fails, Try Algebra
Sense Field - Building

a quick bit of searching reveals a "is the meadowlands emo" discussion here in 2004 & there seems to be the occasional discussion in reviews from that time

BTW, I love this idea for a poll.

Sorry, typo in that second Knapsack album. It should be:

Knapsack - This Conversation Is Ending Starting Right Now

Juno - This Is the Way It Goes and Goes and Goes

I already nommed the Juno albums but I am stoked to campaign on their behalf

<clinks beer glasses>

that record is incredible

I like A Future Live in Past Tense just as much despite (because of?) being maybe the most overblown independent rock record of the 00s

I'm willing to stan for that one. Except for the spoken word track that's a wonderful album.

I'm way more interested in this poll than I thought I'd be

Positively surprised by all the Juno-love here.

i have never heard juno!

I will go on about them lots later, for now I'll just say they married post-rock and post-hardcore more seamlessly than anyone. and also, three geetars.

Something Corporate - North
Jack's Mannequin - Everything in Transit
Jack's Mannequin - The Glass Passenger
Sense Field - Tonight and Forever
Further Seems Forever - The Moon is Down
Further Seems Forever - How to Start a Fire
Further Seems Forever - Hide Nothing
The Get Up Kids - On a Wire
Mae - Destination: Beautiful
Mae - The Everglow

I will go on about them lots later, for now I'll just say they married post-rock and post-hardcore more seamlessly than anyone. and also, three geetars.

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 14:53 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

god help me I am this close to nominating oceansize

juno were epic in all the right ways

I prefer A Future Lived in Past Tense btw.

And all you Juno fans: do check out Fireside's Elite. They're like the Swedish Juno. Awesome and epic.

Hoover - The Lurid Traversal of Route 7
Straylight Run - The Needles, The Space
AFI - Decemberunderground
The Early November - The Mother, The Mechanic, and the Path
Cartel - Chroma
Cobra Starship - ¡Viva la Cobra!
Panic at the Disco - Pretty. Odd
My Chemical Romance - Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys
Saves the Day - In Reverie
Boys Night Out - Trainwreck
Matchbook Romance - Voices
Thrice - Vheissu
Sparta - Porcelain

god help me I am this close to nominating oceansize

― imago, dinsdag 14 februari 2017 15:01 (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Doooooo ittttttt!

The Anniversary - Designing a Nervous Breakdown
Hey Mercedes - Every Night Fireworks
Hey Mercedes - Lose Control
Braid - No Coast
Jets to Brazil - Perfecting Loneliness

there i might finally be done nominating. can't believe i'm the first to nominate the anniversary, or that it took me this long to remember to nominate them

eh fuck it i'm nominating two underoath records

Underoath - They're Only Chasing Safety
Underoath - Define the Great Line

New End Original - Thriller
Chamberlain - Fate's Got a Driver
Boys Life - Departures and Landfalls

Shiner - Lula Divinia
Shiner - The Egg

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Excellent band, mathy post-hardcore w/ a huge bass tone

I'm not sure if Oceansize count, but if they got nommed I wouldn't object...

Sunday's Best - Poised to Break

ok now i'm done

So for the poll itself, what criteria are we voting on? Say there's an album I absolutely love (Unwound, or Hoover) but in no way consider emo. Do I still vote for it? Are we voting for canonical emo albums, or just a sort of "these are my favorites of the bunch" thing?

Ozma - Rock and Roll Part Three

Do what U feel Evan. I'm not voting for albums I love that I don't think fit the bill, personally. Other than that I'm just submitting what I like.

As with the yearly metal poll I just let the poll runner decide what's eligible (some borderline/negligible things inevitably slip through) but ultimately I just vote for what I like on the list, personally.

the unwound record is one of my absolute favorite records of all time and i will not be voting for it in this poll lol

so yeah, trust ur ~*~*~feelings~*~*~

lol thanks guys I feel empowered

not sure I have enough feelings to vote here

or, not sure I have the right ones

trust ur ~*~*~feelings~*~*~

can we allot regular points + nostalgia points for each album

Sparta - Porcelain

fucking sick album

extra points for albums you hated in high school that you only learned to appreciate over the last couple of years

Motion City Soundtrack - Commit This to Memory
Motion City Soundtrack - Even if It Kills Me
Motion City Soundtrack - Go

Jawbreaker - bivouac
Lifetime Hello Bastards
Indian Summer - Discography
Dag Nasty - Wig out at Denko's
The Promise Ring - Nothing Feels Good
Sensefield - Building
Samiam - self-titled

fucking sick album

hell yeah

sparta's porcelain is probably the earliest recorded instance of me being obsessed with an emo album even though it doesn't resemble any of the emo that was actually popular at the time

vastly preferring Sparta to The Mars Volta was a major act of contrarianism at the time iirc

i loved both for different reasons! sparta held up better tho

(imo)

i regret only getting into further seems forever's hide nothing after jon bunch died but i love that album so much, it is PACKED with hooks

do Swing Kids count? How about Unbroken - Live.Love.regret?

I'm imagining explaining someone at my local DIY hardcore/emo space ca 1995 that we've reached a point where, unlike Built to Spill, Hoover can in no be considered way emo.

I'll vote for Swing Kids, and probably nominate them if you don't.

someone nominated the s/t hoover ep so i needed to balance that out with lurid traversal but i guess i'd agree they're not emo (but then fugazi were nominated, so!)

starting to remember the brief phase i went through in college when i thought hoover were the best band on earth. me otm

Swing Kids - discography then.

What about:

Shudder To Think - Pony Express Record

Fwiw, Hoover is described as emo in the first sentence of their Wikipedia entry, listed twice among the top emo records of all time at fourfa, described as a definitive example of the first wave of DC emo in this book, and listed among the essential emo albums on RYM.

Quicksand - Manic Compression
Quicksand - Slip
Garden variety - s/t
Farside ‎– The Monroe Doctrine

honestly I don't envision this thread or the voting thread containing a lot of emo sectarian violence xp

oh man, forgot about Mae. What a wonderful little band. This poll is gonna make me go back and listen to Juno and Karate, too.

idk about shudder to think

i just found a karate album in a used record store this past weekend, it was like going through a time warp to 15 years ago

nor do i but i'm cool with it (another one of their records was nominated) xpost

the poll of wacky but hooky rock albums

very amused that amid the flood of nominations—two Rainer Maria records, the second Jets To Brazil record, three Motion City Soundtrack records (no judgement)—not a single Joan of Arc/Owens/Owls LP has been nominated

the second Jets To Brazil record

excuse me it's the third

i have never successfully gotten to the end of a joan of arc record. surely american football counts as technically nominating a record in that spectrum though

(no judgement)

good subtitle for the actual poll imo

Ha, my bad, I was mistaking it for Four Cornered Night, truly the Wood/Water of the Blake Schwarzenbach discography

lol i nearly voted for wood/water

nominated* rather

Can we nom individual tracks that were not (afaik) on any actual albums by the artist? Because if so this is one of the greatest ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzpTHJTt0VI

how about the Antimatter Comp?

I've got more album noms

Small Brown Bike - Dead Reckoning
Get Up Kids - Something to Write Home About
Planes Mistaken for Stars - Knife in the Marathon EP
Alkaline Trio - Maybe I'll Catch Fire

Johnny Foreigner - Waited Up 'til It was Light
Johnny Foreigner - Johnny Foreigner vs. Everything

almost forgot about

Frodus - And We Washed Our Weapons in the Sea

^^^yup

reading over other nominations this morning I was sort of shocked by things I forgot about but glad others picked up the ball

I already nommed Something to Write Home About

Death Cab for Cutie - Plans

Can't believe I forgot PMFS! (xposts) Will add:

Planes Mistaken for Stars - s/t
Planes Mistaken for Stars - Fuck With Fire

Grade - under the radar

Karate - The Bed Is in the Ocean

Thursday - No Devolución

fuck i forgot about that one. top five imo

*thursday get hella vote split*

I could see throwing both No Devolucion and A City by the Light Divided a few points.

oh I see no one has nominated the emo-est DCFC album

Death Cab for Cutie - Something About Airplanes

Thursday - Full Collapse
The Gaslight Anthem - The 59 Sound
The Appleseed Cast - Two Conversations

shocked it took this long for The '59 Sound to appear

Don't Forget to Breathe comp

Never thought of GA as emo, I guess.

Would have nom'd some Cheap Girls but given recent events seems gross.

yeah let's not

Rainer Maria - A Better Version of Me

Rainer Maria - Long Knives Drawn

So for the poll itself, what criteria are we voting on? Say there's an album I absolutely love (Unwound, or Hoover) but in no way consider emo. Do I still vote for it? Are we voting for canonical emo albums, or just a sort of "these are my favorites of the bunch" thing?

So I'm allowing any and all nominations, however, my preference (and really I can't force anyone to do anything but imo this will produce the best results) is that you vote for what you think falls under the very broad guidelines indicated in the opening post. I don't think anything nominated so far is egregious enough that voting for any of the noms will ruin the poll but as a general approach I'm not looking to poll the indie classics (or punk or whatever) that someone was able to shoehorn in as /emo/ or /pop-punk/. I think the genres are distinctive socially (if not exclusively aesthetically) - i.e. the me who listened to emo music was in a different stage of life w/ a different mentality and looking for different things out of music than the me that was into indie / college rock music. And if some albums I listened to in one way in one stage transformed/crossed over into the other, I'd think that when I vote in this poll I'll be voting for stuff as it appeared in that emo category. Sorry if this all sounds very vague + nebulous and like I said I think the nominations are all pretty good so I'm not too worried. Just let's say this is my personal approach towards this poll and I encourage others who have not yet nailed down their own to consider it for themselves. I was serious above when I said I consider emo to exist primarily in the reception of its listeners and I think that's probably a good rule to hold to.

Just thinking out loud but something essential to me about emo is that unlike punk or indie music it is decidedly uncool. Not that I personally think it's uncool but that it's an aesthetic that doesn't hold itself a part from its listeners or engage in sardonic distancing (or when it is ironic - which sometimes it is - never to the same extent as these other genres). It's immediate and direct and wears its heart on its sleeve. It's not always miserable or sad, it can be playful and fun, but it's not detached. It's always invested in what it is doing. nb this is my personal interpretation and not only am I open to disagreement but I'd love to hear other people's thoughts on what distinguishes this aesthetic specifically.

yeah i think those are good points. part of the fun of this poll is going to be how everyone perceives these records based on when/where/how old they were. there are bands in this poll with extensive discographies who have one album i love and several i ignored. but that one album was what i needed at the time.

I'm torn about whether I nominate Dashboard Confessional - The Swiss Army Romance and boggle that it hasn't been nominated yet or I nominate Jeromes Dream - Seeing Means More Than Safety and boggle that it hasn't been nominated yet. Mordy, we're leaning more toward DC than JD, right?

on that note has anyone nominated any orchid records?

Dashboard Confessional - The Swiss Army Romance
Jeromes Dream - Seeing Means More Than Safety
Braid - Age of Octeen
Orchid - Gatefold
Orchid - Dance Tonight, Revolution Tomorrow
Orchid - Chaos Is Me
various - Post Marked Stamps comp CD (are multi artist comps eligible?)
Moss Icon - Lyburnum
The Used - The Used
Antioch Arrow - In Love With Jetts

lol tyvm

If we're considering screamo, should we allow 7"s and EPs? Lots and lots of bands never managed a whole (21 minute) full length.

Death to Tyrants - Experience Will Be Your Monument And Your Love
The One AM Radio - This Too Shall Pass
The One AM Radio - The Hum of the Electric Air!
The One AM Radio - A Name Writ In Water
Neil Perry - Lineage Situation (if we're counting compilations)
Saetia - A Retrospective (see above)

saetiaaaaaa

Should there be a tracks poll, my #1 is Neil Perry's "Fading Away Like the Rest of Them," but it was from a various artists compilation. There's a video for the song on that Lineage Situation comp, and the last 30 seconds are a single shot of the drummer just going absolutely nuts on the end of the song.

Pg 99 - Document #8
Circle Takes the Square - As the Roots Undo
Clikatat Ikatowi - Orchestrated and Conducted By
Braid - Lucky to Be Alive (do live albums count?)

I'm going to be the only one riding for that live Braid record.

Jets to Brazil - Four Cornered Night
Joan of Arc - A Portable Model of

All Time Quarterback - All Time Quarterback

Bruce Springsteen - Nebraska

/troll

Saetia otm

Neil Perry (stumping for votes in the tracks poll that isn't even happening yet)
http://youtu.be/oFcDeR7fgSI

I never heard Thursday before, but wow, this is great.

Foxing - The Albatross
Foxing - Dealer
Rest of My Life - Rest of My Life

Would Converge fit? If so

Converge - Jane Doe
Converge - You Fail Me

SO many good records already mentioned:

Sweep The Leg Johnny - Tomorrow We Will Run Faster
Sweep The Leg Johnny - Sto Cazzo

Maybe too punky, but I have a soft spot for:

Shelter - Mantra

Many xposts but Mordy otm re:

the me who listened to emo music was in a different stage of life w/ a different mentality and looking for different things out of music than the me that was into indie / college rock music. And if some albums I listened to in one way in one stage transformed/crossed over into the other, I'd think that when I vote in this poll I'll be voting for stuff as it appeared in that emo category

Like I was debating whether to nominate Karate before other people did but I'll definitely vote for them because I heard In Place of Real Insight around the time I was into Texas Is the Reason and Jets to Brazil and it held the same sort of appeal for me even though they were doing something different.

Would Converge fit?

personally I'm inclined to leave metalcore-y stuff out, and it's not like they don't (deservedly) already dominate the metal polls

there's going to be an interesting dimension to this poll where the highest placing albums will not simply be the best but also the "most" emo by consensus lol

Yeah, would feel weird not giving the first Panic! at the Disco album a couple of points regardless of how I feel about it 2017

I never heard Thursday before, but wow, this is great.

:D <3<3<3

which thursday record are you listening to arch?

btw live albums + comps are fine

Sparkmarker - Products and Accessories

This one's a little local so I might be the only vote

then also the Antimatter Comp

I had a Sparkmarker record; don't remember which one now.

I think this?. I'll listen to Products and Accessories.

those songs are on P&A

I think their big album (that was on rev) was a 500Wattburner but P&A is my favourite.

which thursday record are you listening to arch?

!!! let us know when u get to city by a light divided / war all the time / full collapse - i think me + brad differ on this but those 3 are my (and probably the more canonically accepted) high pt

Excited to dig into the earlier records, but for now I went back to No Devolución. It's been a while for me since a totally unknown album has hooked me like this.

Gonna echo Arch's praise, listened to War all the Time earlier and enjoyed it a lot. Really liking the Snowing record that was nommed as well.

i'm listening through the playlist to albums i haven't heard before (and some i have) and i got to /fevers and mirrors/ and had no idea bright eyes had "covered" sunrise, sunset which - giant lol but also aw <3 - we have a children's book with the lyrics from the song that i used to sing/read to my girls but i always got teared eyed when i did and choked up. v good emo crossover choice tho i don't think he actually hits the emotional resonance of the original.

sweet. if you havent cried to or made out to an emo song you shouldn't be able to participate in the poll imo. should be the only prerequisite

Guilty!

crying rn

I don't think I've voted in a non year-end poll either, but i gotta join in here.

what is the feeling on nominating (and i know the answer is to just nominate and see how the votes shake out) stuff more strongly from the skate/pop punk side? like Blink got nommed already, would Rufio/The Ergs/Yellowcard be too far gone to get any votes?

I will nominate these two Canadian skate punk albums though, whether they fit or not i don't care people should just hear them!

Five Knuckle Chuckle - Charliee Horse
Five Knuckle Chuckle - All Hammed Up!

sweet. if you havent cried to or made out to an emo song you shouldn't be able to participate in the poll imo. should be the only prerequisite

votes count double if you have done both simultaneously

lmao yes

a couple Yellowcard albs def belong in this poll but it's a slippery slope. Kinda feels weird not having like Dookie in here too idk.

Yellowcard - One For The Kids
Yellowcard - Ocean Avenue
Brandtson - Send Us A Signal
Brandtson - Dial In Sound
The Spill Canvas - One Fell Swoop
Copeland – In Motion
Copeland – Beneath Medicine Tree
Copeland – Eat, Sleep, Repeat
Copeland – Ixora
Paramore - All We Know Is Falling

a city by the light divided and no devolución are my fav thursday records, the latter being more of an outlier in that it almost explores a totally different tone than the other albums, the former just being a really well-executed epic rock record

one of the most emotionally intense moments in my life was making out with someone to "sea anemone" by jets to brazil

Penfold - Amateurs and Professionals
Penfold - Our First Taste of Escape

Holy shit I forgot about Penfold!

Yeah, I had to check twice that all messages were displayed when I searched through the page.

this plyalist will be in rotation for the next few weeks. Lots of bands ive never heard.

one of the most emotionally intense moments in my life was making out with someone to "sea anemone" by jets to brazil

My defining memory of this album is listening to it while doing yard work with my dad and him getting really irritated by it and asking me to put on something else

i had the misfortunate experience of being a Ska kid who spurned emo in hs, so i kinda missed out on all these albums. but I look forward to the poll and will listen to everything!

aw man I liked both!

I don't think I'll vote for it, but I'm going to nominate

The Get Up Kids - Woodson EP

just so I can post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS_X3BMqKTs

Best. Motherfucking. Song. EVER.

I've only ever heard Full Collapse, for some reason I never listened to anything else by them and even the names of the albums past War All the Time aren't familiar to me. Might as well start catching up now!

I keep remembering old stuff, basically just posting it for an excuse to listen to it again now

Brandston - Letterbox
Seven Storey Mountain - Based on a True Story
Twelve Hour Turn/I Hate Myself - Split LP
Twelve Hour Turn - The Victory of Flight
Twelve Hour Turn - Perfect Progress, Perfect Destruction

Yo Dan, that's the second time you nominated an album I had already nominated. I'm going to listen to everything you mentioned that I don't know yet, since you obviously have impeccable taste.

Ah, how could I have forgotten:

The Get Up Kids - Red Letter Day EP

proto-emo shit that hasn’t (i think) been nominated yet:

honor role – the pretty song
honor role - rictus
gray matter - food for thought
the hated – like the days 2x7”
the hated – everysong
the hated – what was behind
beefeater – plays for lovers
beefeater – house burning down
breathing walker – s/t
ignition – complete services
uniform choice – staring into the sun
soulside – less deep inside keeps
soulside – hot bodi-gram

stuff on the borderlands of something harder/darker/noisier/whatever, aka 90s bands that coulda played at your punk rock rats nest of choice:

the vss – nervous circuits
the vss – 21:51
fisticuffs bluff – s/t
angel hair – pregnant with the senior class
heroin – s/t 12”
merel – s/t
in/humanity – the nutty anti-christ
in/humanity – the history behind the mystery/music to kill yourself by
portraits of past – s/t
torches to rome – s/t
the rye coalition – hee saw dhuh kaet
the rye coalition – their side of the karp/rye split 12”
native nod – today puberty, tomorrow the world
still life – from angry heads…
universal order of armageddon – the switch is down
universal order of armageddon – s/t 12”
policy of three – dead dog summer
antioch arrow - the lady is a cat
antioch arrow – in love with jetts
maximillian colby – s/t
john henry west – s/t 7”
clikitat ikatowi – orchestrated and conducted by
clikitat ikatowi – live august 29th and 30th, 1995
ordination of aaron – s/t
the dahlia seed – survived by
the hal al shedad – s/t

stuff from the era when the borderlands between pop-punk and emo and indie and alt-rock and whatever were more porous:

lync – these are not fall colors
lync – remembering the fireballs
fuel – monuments to excess
j. church – nostalgic for nothing
j. church – arbor vitae
j. church – the drama of alienation
j. church – my favorite place
hum – you’d prefer an astronaut
hum – downward is heavenward
franklin – major taylor 7”
franklin – s/t
mineral – the power of failing
the van pelt – sultans of sentiment
nuzzle – san lorenzo’s blues
brody – against forgetting 7”
cerberus shoal – and farewell to hide tide

that angel hair record was def nominated upthread. i nearly nominated still life so thank you for going for it strongo

Oooooh J-Church. Hadn't thought of them. Also listening to a lot of Portraits of Past lately.

I keep remembering old stuff, basically just posting it for an excuse to listen to it again now

Brandston - Letterbox
Seven Storey Mountain - Based on a True Story
Twelve Hour Turn/I Hate Myself - Split LP
Twelve Hour Turn - The Victory of Flight
Twelve Hour Turn - Perfect Progress, Perfect Destruction

― I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:56 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I saw Brandston around 05-06, they were the co-headliner with Rocket Summer and the opening band was ... Paramore. Ate at Chili's after the show and ended up sitting at the table next to Hayley and her crew.

Is Engine Kid emo?

I'll nominate

Engine Kid - Bear Catching Fish
Engine Kid - Angel Wings

Was thinking of nominating Hum, might throw Downward a vote

oh god if Hum counts

out of all of my rambling noms i'd most recommend the lync "these are not fall colors" lp to anyone into the kinda sloppy, sorta noisy, but still hooky stuff that would become the braid/promise ring axis and then onto world domination.

The Van Pelt made me think of

The Lapse - Betrayal!
The Lapse - Heaven Ain't Happening

the second album featuring the immortal chorus "We make meals out of condiments!"

this is probably the only poll where my ballot will be comprised equally of top ten pop bands and filthy people whose records i bought at philly's anarchist book store.

a couple Yellowcard albs def belong in this poll but it's a slippery slope. Kinda feels weird not having like Dookie in here too idk.

Yellowcard - One For The Kids
Yellowcard - Ocean Avenue
Brandtson - Send Us A Signal
Brandtson - Dial In Sound
The Spill Canvas - One Fell Swoop
Copeland – In Motion
Copeland – Beneath Medicine Tree
Copeland – Eat, Sleep, Repeat
Copeland – Ixora
Paramore - All We Know Is Falling

― Spottie, Wednesday, February 15, 2017 11:55 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, i would support a side poll of albums that got nominated but are not quite right to vote highly. something like - Emotionally Challenged: Ten Albums that rock but you could never vote higher than Bleed American - not that you of course couldn't vote for them in the main poll, but that would be an interesting side poll.

I'd nominated the Angel Hair and Native Nod comps already! But thanks for punX0r solidarity! I'll check out a lot of things I haven't heard from your list. xp to strongo

heh i thought about subtitling my second section "stuff sund4r would probably dig."

Listening to the Angel Hair CD now, I like it. Spotify is pretty useless for this stuff, isn't it?

Yes, afaict

yeah for sure. the vss (which features sonny from angel hair on vox) is on spotify however. highly recommended.

Checking out the VSS later then.

go with the singles comp (21:51) first over the lone album (nervous circuits). comp is more chaotic hardcore in the the trad gravity recs vein, album foregrounds the more goth/synth-punk side of the band. (ie what made them a topic of ire/fascination among the heartattack/punk planet sets.)

the album was also first released on honey bear, a.k.a. lance from j. church's label. which also put out records/videos from unwound, superchunk, refused, and the ex. which is making me even more nostalgic than this thread.

xpost

Ten Albums that rock but you could never vote higher than Bleed American

I mean, I'd vote for Second Stage Turbine Blade higher than Bleed American, but not in an emo poll. I'd definitely go in for the non-emo side poll though. There are some really great albums that are being listed here that I wouldn't think of or have never thought of as emo.

Is there going to be a separate thread for arguing over what should and shouldn't be called 'emo?' Would that even be fun, or just irritating? I'm sure all the arguments have been heard by now.

Yaphet Kotto - The Killer Was in the Government Blankets
On the Might of Princes - Where You Are and Where You Want to Be
Snowing - Fuck Your Emotional Bullshit

I mean, I'd vote for Second Stage Turbine Blade higher than Bleed American, but not in an emo poll.

you wouldn't? it's v much an emo album on a pure songwriting level

oh god if Hum counts

Nahhhh

I mean, I'd vote for Second Stage Turbine Blade higher than Bleed American, but not in an emo poll.

you wouldn't? it's v much an emo album on a pure songwriting level

I can see where the argument could be made, I just feel like it doesn't quite fit the category. The lyrics are a little too out of the narrator's head, if you understand what I'm saying-- lyrics about girls, but not so much from the same emotional headspace of something like "then I kissed the phone" or "when summer is gone, I'll be 24." And the music is of a piece of a lot of the pop-punk end of emo, but there's a lot of pop-punk that doesn't strike me as being emo, including Green Day and Blink-182.

I see this stuff in three categories: tr00 emo (Saetia, Jeromes Dream, Moss Icon), false emo (Jimmy Eat World, Braid, Rainer Maria), and that's-not-emo-but-I-see-where-you're-coming-from (Weezer, The Lapse, Hum). Let me emphasize that these are all based mostly on gut feelings, not analytical reactions, so I'm not saying your jam is less valid than mine because mine is all screaming and octave chords and yours actually sold records.

brad thanks to you I'm listening to Coheed and Cambria for the first time in my life

hooray! "time consumer" is one of the best songs ever

The Yaphet Kotto sounds good.

C&C are awesome. lotta peeps could never get w his vocals tho

guys how was Second Stage Turbine ever in doubt, this is emo as fuck lol

TIME CONSUMER TIME CONSUMING CONSUME ME

And the music is of a piece of a lot of the pop-punk end of emo, but there's a lot of pop-punk that doesn't strike me as being emo, including Green Day and Blink-182.

there was a literal shit-ton of this stuff in the 90s that didn't fit neatly in any one camp -- jawbreaker, fuel, samiam, seaweed, j. church, arguably jawbox and others -- that only became "emo" in retrospect. arguably the shift came by '98 or whenever that burning airlines/jets to brazil/promise ring tour happened. you had two former jawbox dudes doing an xtc-filtered-through-post-hardcore thing, blake pulling classic rock moves, and one band that is obviously no-foolin' emo, at least in the sense that someone listening to dashboard could intuit a lineage. but all of them made sense playing together in a way that jawbreaker might have seemed the odd-men-out playing a gilman show with a buncha pop-punk dudes and jawbox fumbled for the alt-rock brass ring when hardcore was shifting toward victory chugga-chugga or grind/d-beat thrashing. at the same time it's probably no mistake that the promise ring were the headliners, given that they had a.) some vestigial link to d.i.y., b.) hooks that slotted them alongside the superchunk wing of indie just as those bands were breaking up/getting arty, and c.) helped to set the template (along with i dunno braid and the get-up kids and lifetime) for emo-as-pop. (about six months before that tour i saw burning airlines play to about six people in a philly bar which given that their former band was only recently playing radio station festivals was like watching the whole alt-rock thing crash in real-time.)

Yo Dan, you obviously have impeccable taste.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard this

Also strongo otm

the nostalgia aspect of this thread is nice and it has led me to unearth things like the michigan fest 2002 trailer, a fest that featured a great cross section of (my favorties of) these bands...I so wish my dvd copy was playable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buV5Ke92z3o

spotify playlist is updated btw:
http://open.spotify.com/user/mordys/playlist/1zWI04ISPBer8XlzI3hb5D

lot of nominated stuff predictably not available there

Just saaw so long astoria was nommed, if that's the case then i think we also need

The Ataris - Anywhere but Here
The Ataris - Blue Skies, Broken Hearts... Next 12 Exits
The Ataris - End Is Forever

380 albums nominated so far. I'll post the collated list on Friday before the weekend.

Btw - if anyone here has a link to that spreadsheet ppl like to use when running polls that makes collating votes easier, I'd greatly appreciate a link.

Some songs w/ noms off the top of my head:

Three Mile Pilot - "97-MT" off of The Chief Assassin To The Sinister (1994)
https://youtu.be/N0hAnt8kmgY

Seaweed - "Losing Skin" off of Four (1993)
https://youtu.be/c2DTvKGZXaM

Knapsack - "Symmetry" off of Silver Sweepstakes (1993)
https://youtu.be/MlZOc7KBt_Y

Albert, are you nominating those albums or just linking to the tracks?

Btw - if anyone here has a link to that spreadsheet ppl like to use when running polls that makes collating votes easier, I'd greatly appreciate a link.

nm, i found a copy

@Mordy: Nominate please!

Mordy, for my 70s soul albums poll I wrote an AutoHotkey script that imports a folder of ballots in .txt format and spits out the final list in order, including number of votes, number ones and total points - all in less than a second.

You can find the instructions in this post, but I'm also happy to run the script for you if you're not on Windows and/or not handy with scripting.

I am neither (on Windows or handy with scripting) so I will def be in touch. Are you on messenger or gchat?

No, I don't chat. But if you send a quick email to m8r-mxd✧✧✧@mailina✧✧✧.c✧✧ I'll mail you back from my own address.
(Oh, and make sure to put a daffodil in your shirt pocket and hold the last issue of Kerrang in your left hand, so that I know it's really you.)

Shit, let's try that again: m8r-mxd426 @ mailinator . com

A couple of 21st century albums:

Tiny Moving Parts – This Couch Is Long and Full of Friendship
Glocca Morra – Just Married
The World Is a Beautiful Place and I Am No Longer Afraid to Die – Whenever, If Ever
Into It. Over It. – Proper
The Front Bottoms – Talon of the Hawk
Everyone Everywhere – Everyone Everywhere
Sorority Noise – Joy Departed

have to counter with my fav front bottoms record. plus no one nominated circa survive (attn imago if you haven't heard this band you might like them?)

The Front Bottoms - Back on Top
Circa Survive - Juturna
Circa Survive - On Letting Go
Circa Survive - Blue Sky Noise

circa survive <3

Finch - What It Is To Burn
Matchbook Romance - Stories and Alibis
Saosin - Saosin

Are Banner Pilot and Off With their Heads! too pop punk?

cuz if not

Banner Pilot - Hearts Beats Pacific
Off With their Heads! - In desolation

I was wondering if there were any Banner Pilot fans among the pop-punk/emo contingent here. I love that band so much. (Though I do prefer the pre-HBP stuff.)

That's a fair opinion. I discovered them with HBP so that's probably why I'm partial and I don't think they have a better song than "Spanish Reds"

"Spanish Reds" is exceptionally good.

I didn't even think of 21st c stuff

Youth Funeral - See You When I See You

Almost forgot...

Thirty Ought Six - Hag Seed

Which in turn reminds me of:

Bear Vs. Shark - Terrorhawk

Kerosene 454 - at zero
Oswego - just getting warmed up ep
The Secret Stars - s/t
Discount - last one

And on the uk front:

Bob Tilton - crescent
Spy Vs Spy - s/t
Broccoli - home
Shutdown - Icarus
Fabric - body of water

...and if Unwound can fit into this, what about
Blonde Redhead - fake can be just as good?

Oops: Discount - crash diagnostic

is the list going anywhere other than just the spotify playlist? like is there somewhere i can see all of the noms alphabetically?

discount!

Mordy will post the full list before voting starts.

...and if Unwound can fit into this, what about
Blonde Redhead - fake can be just as good?

One of my favorite albums of all time, but I've never thought of it as emo.

I gotta agree that BR seem outside the scope (but as with the rest I won't argue the point)

A lot of my favorite indie rock albums feel v emo-influenced but I wouldn't feel right nominating them here (eg the first two Ladyhawk albums)

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/10-great-emo-so/

Can't believe we forgot Foo Fighters!

On my drive home I suddenly remembered my phase where I was very interested in the Japanese emo scene.

Husking Bee - 4 Color Problem
Eastern Youth - 雲射抜ケ声 (May My Scream Reach the Clouds)
Eastern Youth - 其処カラ何ガ見エルカ (What Can You See From Your Place?)
Eastern Youth - 365-Step Blues

I'm going to do one better and link to the entire nominations list now. Nominations continue through the weekend but I wanted to give people a chance to see the full list (of 416 albums!) before nomination period ends. I was going to just paste the whole list here but 416 albums is a bit obscene to dump in a post (I'll do it on Monday when voting starts but only the once instead of over and over). So here's a link to all the nominations so far - I think I've caught all duplicates and misspellings but if I missed something please let me know!

Nominations List

Spotify Playlist

Very excited for this. Many thanks for putting it on. Also, I understand if you don't want to include my Converge nominations.

Algernon Cadwallader - Some Kind of Cadwallader
At The Drive-In - In/Casino/Out
blink-182 - Enema of the State
The Blood Brothers - Crimes
The Brave Little Abacus - Just Got Back From the Discomfort-We're Alright
Celeste - Misanthrope(s)
Converge - Axe To Fall
Converge - All We Love We Leave Behind
The Dillinger Escape Plan - Calculating Infinity
Envy - Insomniac Doze
Gospel - The Moon Is a Dead World
Joyce Manor - Of All Things I Will Soon Grow Tired
La Dispute - The Rooms of the House
RVIVR - Bicker and Breathe
Tigers Jaw - Tigers Jaw
Touché Amoré - Stage Four
Turnover - Peripheral Vision

I'm trying to listen to as many of these albums as I can but the playlist is already 243 hours (not to mention the probably 50-100 hours not represented on the playlist) and I can only sometimes resist relistening albums I already love passionately and intend to vote for. If I listen to 5 hours a day (which seems like an ask, but doable) 240 / 5 = 48 days and I wanted to give 14 days for voting so obviously I'm not getting to all of these. I did institute an early hermeneutic tho - I'm not wasting time on unpleasant screaming vocals that border on cookie monster. Rickley vocals is probably the most extreme I'm willing to entertain - which means that I don't have to bother with Hopesfall or envy (so far). I had never listened to Blood Brothers before this week - I always avoided them because I assumed that they were too rough + unpleasant for my tastes but the vox are not cookie monster grating like I imagined - just kinda bizarre + funky? they actually kinda weirdly remind me of claudio sanchez's vox which I thought were normally derided by the kind of ppl who like Blood Brothers!

Mordy, The Blood Brothers are incredible. Without knowing this poll was coming, I've been currently going through a Blood Brothers phase and it's been really rewarding. ...Burn Piano Island is probably still the album that hits me the hardest but Crimes and Young Machetes are brilliant. Even back then, they always stood taller than the other bands in the genre. The albums got more and more dense and interesting as they went on. Got to see them during the reunion period a year or so ago and it was nuts. Completely sold out and the energy was awesome. The times finally caught up to them. And actually, the first time I ever saw them, they opened for Coheed and Cambria. So they aren't too far off.

I actually put them more in line with The Locust than anything. Locust can't count in the poll...can they?

the blood brothers are in my top ten favorite bands of all time, and one of the wildest bands to ever make it to basically the majors

honestly I could give a fuck whether they "count" as emo or not, they saved my life and I am duty bound to vote for them [ /emo]

yeah - i'm really digging them. idk why i thought they were so extreme when they were first releasing albums - i was mislead by spin magazine!

Mordy, did you get my reply to your mail yesterday? I sent it from my own email address.

Burn Piano Island Burn is the obvious masterpiece but Young Machetes is underappreciated for being a sort of seamless multi-style post-hardcore patchwork, firing glorious shots in all directions right before they burnt out

xp I did! Thank u for generous offer to help I will def take you up on it

ok cool. Just let me know.

Burn Piano Island Burn is the obvious masterpiece but Young Machetes is underappreciated for being a sort of seamless multi-style post-hardcore patchwork, firing glorious shots in all directions right before they burnt out

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, February 17, 2017 11:21 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm, although i prob love crimes the most

Crimes is (imo) easily the best Blood Brothers album. Burn Piano Island Burn created the BB formula, Crimes is where they laughed at the idea of there being a BB formula. I'm not sure I'll vote for any Blood Brothers stuff because is it emo, etc, but I'd say the Locust should count if the Blood Brothers do.

The Locust - The Locust
The Locust - Plague Soundscapes

Braid - Movie Music Vol. 1

Oswego - II

Camera Obscura - To Change the Shape of an Envelope

As far as Coheed and Cambria goes, I love "The Suffering" but didn't really connect with the rest of that album at the time and never really tried outside of that. I should really try again. I have friends who play in a progressive hard rock band who cite C&C as a major influence.

Otherwise, I think they're mostly into stuff like Rush and Dream Theatre and Megadeth.

Camera Obscura - To Change the Shape of an Envelope

The ten seconds of confusion before I realised there must be another Camera Obscura were pretty great.

That seems to be a common reaction around here. I've still never heard the Scottish twee band.

San Diego Camera Obscura

Sort of a nostalgic pick (unlike the rest of these obv); they were really great live that year. "Cinematheque" holds up really well at least.

The name definitely suits an emo band more, liking the first track on this.

Burn Piano Island Burn created the BB formula, Crimes is where they laughed at the idea of there being a BB formula

This is kinda true, but mostly I always hear Crimes as the one where they made an attempt to write songs they could actually play live without physical injury

When it's on, March On Electric Children is my real favorite. (Recently located a copy of This Adultery is Ripe and it's no slouch either.)

speaking of arty geetar bands

These Arms Are Snakes - Tail Swallower and Dove
These Arms are Snakes - Oxeneers, or the Lion Sleeps when the Antelope Go Home

If The Locust counts then Unbroken counts

so:

Unbroken - Life.Love.Regret

I just realized that "pop punk" is explicitly listed in the original post, so for posterity and just in case:

Dillinger Four - Midwestern Songs of the Americas
Dillinger Four - Vs. God
Dillinger Four - Situationist Comedy

Also, I hate to do this but Deafheaven's vocals are widely considere screamo. Happy to comply if the consensus is no. But if Sunbather showed up on the noms list, I'd certainly vote for it.

Ha, I considered nominating Sunbather, since it probably would have counted if it were released 20 years earlier, but I wasn't sure if anyone calls it emo.

xxp - well, in that case:

Lagwagon - Duh
NOFX - Punk in Drublic

Two missing albums that are included in NME's 20 Emo Albums That Have Resolutely Stood The Test Of Time:

Alexisonfire - Alexisonfire
Glassjaw - Worship and Tribute

a nostalgic pick (unlike the rest of these obv)

i just want everyone to realize that if the top 5 includes albums by converge and deafheaven we'll all be the ones to suffer

is pinback emo?

Suffer listening to good metal records? xp

I'm pretty slow sometimes but holy shit the singer of Knapsack has a new band and they are fucking great and they haven't been nominated yet!

The Jealous Sound - Kill Them with Kindness
The Jealous Sound - A Gentle Reminder

suffer knowing that you turned a wonderful emo poll into an artsy metal poll xp

arch -- how many votes can i give people? i think normally in these polls ppl get 30 but i'm thinking up to 50 might be more fun / more satisfying at least as i consider the number of albums i personally want to vote for? do you have any limit? what do other ppl think is an appropriate ballot length

It's completely up to you - you can set a minimum and/or maximum number of votes if you like, but mostly you want as many people as possible to vote.

Brand New - Your Favorite Weapon
Owls - Owls
Into It. Over It. - Intersections
The Used - In Love and Death

I feel like 30-40 is a good max, I'll probably submit 30

Benton Falls - Fighting Starlight (how is that still missing I wonder)
The Weakerthans - Fallow
Constantines - Tournament Of Hearts
Alkaline Trio - Self-titled
Fireside - Uomini D'onore
The Good Life - Album Of The Year
Bedhead - Transaction de Novo

Your favorite weapon coming in this late is unexpected. I'm not a big fan but I thought it was highly regarded.

it's not bad but in my eyes was so thoroughly eclipsed by deja entendu that it's like by a different band - a much more conventional scene band.

ot but just bc it's where i'm upto in the playlist: is there a more chutzpahdik moment in the history of this genre than writing a song about teens hooking up during the holocaust? and somehow it works???

you know who was a fucking brilliant band, was Fireworks

Fireworks - Gospel
Fireworks - Oh, Common Life

Your favorite weapon coming in this late is unexpected.

There are also many albums on RYM that are not nominated.

jimmy eat world - static prevails

The Brave Little Abacus - Masked Dancers: Concern in So Many Things You Forget Where You Are
Crash of Rhinos - Distal
Empire! Empire! (I Was a Lonely Estate) - What It Takes to Move Forward
mewithoutYou - Catch for Us the Foxes
Moving Mountains - Pneuma

I'm still on a Thursday kick. I can't believe I'd never heard of this band before this week. Have you all heard this? So good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1MY-1-CWwM

I'm going through some of the RYM albums now. Lotta screamo.

Also I just listened to the Weakerthans' Left and Leaving in full for the first time in maaaybe a decade and it's held up beautifully.

at some point today I'm gonna try out Is A Real Boy for the first time

It's not bad, holds up better than most of that wave of commercial emo imo.

This is where I admit that I never really gave Cap n Jazz a fair chance before but they sound great right now. (I know I heard all of An Alphabetapolothology in a car one time in 1998 and didn't click with it.)

xxp - the Empire! Empire! I nominated a little earlier is also from the RYM list. Nice and melodic.

Also, kind of relieved to see I'm not the only one who has major emo-gaps in their life.

It took me a minute to figure out that thew parenthetical is actually part of their name - that's an impressive level of fuckery

at some point today I'm gonna try out Is A Real Boy for the first time

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:57 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pls liveblog your experience

cosign

Boy Sets Fire - After the Eulogy

If Pop pop-punk counts

Avail - 4AM Friday

Avril Lavigne - Let Go

Jimmy Eat World - Futures

This is where I admit that I never really gave Cap n Jazz a fair chance before but they sound great right now. (I know I heard all of An Alphabetapolothology in a car one time in 1998 and didn't click with it.)

In the end, I couldn't hang with the vox.

Speaking of Cap Jazz - I didn't love the album but I'm listening to American Football now and this is def more my kind of thing

btw - I want to open voting thread tomorrow so get your noms in! in true slacker fashion you'll have until i actually start the new thread at some pt tmmrw to get them in - I'll do one last sweep before i post the new link here.

what do we think - are we comfortable not having any green day albums in this thing?

Green Day - Uno
Green Day - Dos
Green Day - Tre

i was thinking american idiot probably makes the most sense - dookie somehow feels a little too early? idk tho i think i'm probably ok not including either if ppl don't care.

Billy Talent - Billy Talent

at some point today I'm gonna try out Is A Real Boy for the first time
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, February 19, 2017 8:57 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pls liveblog your experience
― the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:15 PM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cosign
― Mordy, Sunday, February 19, 2017 2:26 PM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you got it

two songs in and a. bemis is as full-on as I've always heard and b. these are some serious fuckin guitars

he sings like he's learned how to from imitating/singing along to someone else but I can't tell who

the opening to "the writhing south" was kinda offputting but the chorus is pretty mega

again the guitar breaks are RIDICULOUS wtf why does no one ever talk about this

why is it that only one man bands have audible bass parts

tbh some/most of these songs could use an edit but they also all seem to feature at least one really distinctive/great part

I think "Every Man Needs a Molly" is my favourite.

"spidersong" is the first one I'm not sure about, which is impressive

the way "an orgy of critics" just becomes a totally different song for about 30 seconds made me freak the fuck out, likee instead of a middle 8 it has a middle song

I think part of the difficulty of the idea of the emo poll is the nostalgia factor, which makes it difficult to pick up new favorites to vote for the way you could with eg one of the year end polls. mostly you just end up deepening your love for records you already adore (as has been the case with me + the weatherthans, juno, fireworks). but I could see throwing this a few points.

Since they seem to be getting some attention here,

The Weakerthans - Reconstruction Site

can't believe you're just going to skip commenting on alive with the glory of love

it was right in the middle of that ridiculous sugar rush of opening tracks, I was still dizzy tbh

it feels like it's losing steam a bit in the back stretch but still pretty strong

should I phear in defense of the genre

lol @ the last two songs

I think part of the difficulty of the idea of the emo poll is the nostalgia factor, which makes it difficult to pick up new favorites to vote for

should I phear in defense of the genre

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, February 19, 2017 9:11 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's super patchy and at one point real smdh ("died a jew") but it had several of their best songs and it's just generally weird that this really ambitious emo double album exists

honestly I had to switch to something else midway through the first disc

lol

but I did take a moment to specially listen to "died a jew" and woooooow so he's one of those "needs someone at his side to tell him no sometimes but never had one" dudes huh

otm

also you didn't like "the church channel" or "girlfriend"?

This POLL Will Become the Anthem of Your EMO Voting Thread / You're Two Floors Down CAMPAIGNING in the Back Room.

I don't know if you've ever run a marathon before, but the thing about it is that it's not just running two half marathons, it's running that second half marathon after you just did the first one

my point is I'll give this say anything album another crack when I haven't just listened to an hour of say anything xp

Mordy, you rule. What an undertaking!