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here's the thread where we talk about grime in 2004. random observations:

- the album version of "ground zero" is fantastic. i've never found the instrumentalall that mind-blowing, to be honest, but this is something else.

- ruff squad seem to be on fire at the moment. i only caught the last 10 minutes of their deja show this week, but they were playing some amazing dubs. i'm pretty sure one of them was a vocal version of "armour", and it's got that huge/mournful thing going on. the week before they played that old mystery roll deep track ("i love girls/i love trance"), maybe it's going to be on tinchy's album? 4pm-6pm on 92.3 on mondays, anyway.

- did lord of the decks 2 come out yesterday as promised?!

- j2k's "heat in the street" is out, haven't heard it yet though.

what else is good right now?

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 2 January 2004 09:34 (twenty years ago) link

ground zero's not on the album last time i'd heard, where did you hear that?

― martin (martin), Friday, 2 January 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

Could someone take a sec and define grime? Thanks.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 2 January 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link

hahahha. an as yet undefined subgenre of UK garage fella... ever evolving

― martin (martin), Friday, 2 January 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago) link

btw isnt it your birthday today toby?

― martin (martin), Friday, 2 January 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago) link

heat in the street 12" is out. that has got 'this is me' on it, which is essentail! not sure about the rest tho - havent bothered listening. its all about the thuggish ruggish for me tho....despite being pretty old now, i'm glad i've managed to get my hands on it. that electro-bass sound..mmmmm

― ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 3 January 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

"Thuggish Ruggish" is great - probably my favourite grime tune of last year (I've loved an untitled version of it on tape for yonks!). Otherwise I'm loving Davinche's "What I Found In You" (femme-pop-grime).

2004: year of Target and Skepta!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 3 January 2004 03:57 (twenty years ago) link

and Rapid! his stuff for Ruff Sqwad is godlike

― Keith McD, Saturday, 3 January 2004 09:52 (twenty years ago) link

i'm with you boys, target, skepta and rapid are the producers to watch, sometimes i think rapid more than anybody, i love those big grandiose, mournful producions. i think the rapid tune toby is talking about is lethal injection, ruff squad have a vocal of it themselves, armours got one, maybe some others, although rapid has a new one i don''t know the name of yet which is equally stately.
that roll deep track, i love music slow or fast, but i wish i would of listenend in class, i've only ever heard ruff squad play that, the version on twanboc was taped off a ruff squad set. i was listening to crazy titch last night and he sounds ready to blow, he's not exactly subtle, but he's got personality, got energy, it made me laugh last night, he goes, 'big up 50 cent, he's trying to be crazy titch, it won't work though...' he also bigged all the british rappers, which was nice of him, he always sounds such a lovely boy, although he had quite a fearsome reputation in his younger days. erm, more stun guns for 2004, thats my prediction. bzzzzzztt

― luka vandross, Saturday, 3 January 2004 10:36 (twenty years ago) link

knightz of the roundtable are on deja right now until two, one of my favourite crews, i think nasty are on at 4-6 and east co are on 8-10, so if you're on london you can catch up on everything today today
92.3fm

― .:.l.:., Saturday, 3 January 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

cool luke, thanks for the tip. is there a deja schedule anywhere on the web? i tried to find one a while ago but couldn't.

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 3 January 2004 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

there's one in the heronbone archive i think, although natrally they're out of date a week after you put them up, i nicked it from the rwd message boards. monday and saturday are the days to listen in. monday is crew day wth meridian nasty ruff squad and tu tuff and east co, start listening in the afternoon.

― lukle, Sunday, 4 January 2004 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

yeah hopefully i'm going to manage to make my computer record it for me while i'm at work.

slsk ppl - i can't recommend the ruff squad set on deja from 22 dec enough, i'm sharing it, d/l it now!

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 4 January 2004 15:37 (twenty years ago) link

toby what is yr username?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 4 January 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link

skepta.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 4 January 2004 16:11 (twenty years ago) link

y'all forgetting Skepta's cohort: Terra Danjah. Check out his mix of DTI for absolute 'strings of death' merkery.

J2K's 'Heat In The Street' is cool, but he can't better Pharoahe Monch over the Agent Orange beat.

Just heard SLK with Flirta D on RawMish9000; them boys got so excited about who was going to spit next that they broke the mic?! Plus they're all inventing mad noises to place in their rhymes (similar to D.E.E), revving cars, gunshots and quite heartwaringly, Incredible Levy-style high-pitched breath intakes. Ooooahh Oooooahh (Sun 6-8pm, for future reference)

― tinman, Monday, 5 January 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link

Terra Danjah's production on "Cock Back" is great, and I also really like his track with Shola Ama and D.E.E. - "Contagious" I think. Another one of those delirious whirring grimette tunes.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:19 (twenty years ago) link

I just downloaded something which is supposedly a Skepta remix/mash-up of "Are You That Somebody?" and it almost sounds like a grimy take on eighties' freestyle.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah that's what all the grimette tunes sound like! They're great!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 5 January 2004 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

jess - i'm always in the obvious room and my username begins with 'c'. msg me to be added to my list w/extra slots. the file you want is in the "new stuff" folder.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 5 January 2004 07:40 (twenty years ago) link

tim how are you getting this stuff in australia, just soulseek? and is there some particular sites that are on it as far as new grime goes?

― glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Monday, 5 January 2004 09:57 (twenty years ago) link

i wanna hear you say URRRRRGH URRRRRGH then i wanna hear you say SERIOUS SERIOUS

― pr, Monday, 5 January 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

"tim how are you getting this stuff in australia, just soulseek? and is there some particular sites that are on it as far as new grime goes?"

Ha ha I wish! I'm on a mac so have to make do with Limewire which never has anything except Dizzee. No I just listen to 1xtra radio as much as I can. Independance.com helps for tune IDs though.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

That's also my M.O., 'cept for the kind folx from ILM who have stunned me with their generosity.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

stun me with your generosity!

― dav¡d (Cozen), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

big boy producers:

davinche
bionix
skepta

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

also, check out:

Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

more grimette biznazz, luuvverly

― tinman, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

cozen send me an email and i'll see what i can do.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 08:04 (twenty years ago) link

lovely, thanx.

― glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 09:41 (twenty years ago) link

are there, or will there be, any regional variants on grime? or is it/will it remain a london thing?

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

There's macabre unit from somewhere in the midlands i think, they have a big tune called 'Taurus'.

― peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 10:37 (twenty years ago) link

DJ Oddz is a grimey Cardiff boy... I think his recent 'Strung Up' did pretty well. But he's working with London folk now.

― Jason J, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:20 (twenty years ago) link

yeah macarbre unit have made a little name for themselves although they're not very good. co defendants are from bedford or somehwere like that and are actually fairly good. luton is quite big for grime i think. regional variations exist within london to a certain extent. at least, at lot of the sutff i've heard from north london sounds like demon boyz or gunshot or something. antix from NAA, the wittiest MC in south's biggest crew sounds like he's originally from the midlands, maybe nottingham, is that midlands or more northish?

also, check out:
Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

more grimette biznazz, luuvverly

-- tinman (thismortalsoun...), January 6th, 2004.

did you hear that last night on deja? heard it for the first time myself last night. terre danja's got his own thing. he's very understated. anyone hear what he did to take them out? took all the bombast out, made it quite subtle. i like him, he's different. dj scholar playred the mysterious roll deep track (dizzee/breeze/jamakabi if i remember right)
and a couple of new rapid productions, watch out for the skeleton riddim and they reckon lethal injection will be in the shops soon, with pied piper voals on the bside.

― lex luka, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

i like Breeze when he says 'used to get bullied by the white boys/but now you don't wanna fight boys'.

― peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 12:32 (twenty years ago) link

are there, or will there be, any regional variants on grime?

There's DJ Gomes in Amsterdam, making tracks and playing out...

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

"I'm the Hackney kid, not from Hackney but I hack knees!"

NJ Fever aka Nasty Jack aka The Nasty Gasher!

― tinman, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link

'think you're a badman cos you got a gun lyric
don't make me tell you a suck your mum lyric'
demon

― lukle, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:17 (twenty years ago) link

meridian - "don't fuck around": not so sure i like the slooooowing down thing, but i do like the little kid-shouting-the-title-sample.

skepta/dee/jme - "serious thugs": sounds like some g-funk ripping rnb track circa 95 aka great. ooer ooer.

mark one - "life support": still a sucker for those metropolis spaceship hums after all these years...

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago) link

where did you hear don't fuck around jess?
i didn't think that tune got noticed by anyone, it's fairly old. i was sort of thinking off that, and tunes like that when i said north london keeps making tracks that sound like gunshot or demon boyz.

what you're calling serious thugs is what me and those boys are calling thuggish ruggish, i think it sounds like gfunk as well, and it has a bone thugs and harmony sample on it

― lukle, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, i thought they might be the same track...one of the perils of going by mp3 tags...

i heard "don't fuck around" via the independance website...sadly it's where i have to hear most of this stuff these days.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:42 (twenty years ago) link

(better than nothing, obv)

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 15:43 (twenty years ago) link

thuggish ruggish/serious thugs is pretty much the entire 'thuggish ruggish bone' by bone thugz song cut up a little bit. Quite a strange departure by Skepta really. Fucking love it, although it's made me realise how very few lyrics dee has, i swear i've heard that 'heads get mangled then dangled to the side just like i wear my kangol' on about 5 different recordings. Who is Jamie?

― peckham rye, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

j.me, he is called jamie, but a lot of the time people get confused and call him j.m.e. but it's splet j.me. he's the biggest MC in meridian. he's the one goes
SERIOUS
on all of skeptas tunes.

he's got a lyric something along the lines of
'SERIOUS, don't say SERIOUS, i say SERIOUS, you could never say SERIOUS, i'm too SERIOUS' the way he says serious, is really the justification for his entire existance, cos it is really very good, the way he says that although other than that he's not that great. you can hear him, skepta and the rest of meridian on deja on mondays.

d.e.e does actually have quite a lot of lyrics, i swear, he's even got a big long narrative one about escaping the feds down the a13 into Barking, GANGSTA! but he does use that heads get mangled one quite a lot.

that's my real email address up there. jess and tim finney, if you want to send an email i could send you over a couple of tapes, anyone really but you two especially cos you write about garage and live in faraway lands so you deserve 'em

― luke>, Tuesday, 6 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

jess: it's bone thugs!

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago) link

oh shit nevermind there's my attentionspan outed

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

re: Wileys new album - adam blade 21st post - 15 Nov 2003 18:11
i dunno wat ur on bout Icerink is a heavy tune! [reply] [Complain about this post]

re: Wileys new album - two step for ever 460th post - 17 Nov 2003 12:35
Just shows how good your knowledge and understanding of garage music and production is. I could fart a better beat out of my ass mate.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 6 January 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Jus' got sent some music on disk of MarkOne/Plasticman productions. No MC but awesome! Also some 2nd II none. TerrorRhythm or HyperDub don't have 'em. Best..I think 'em the next ones. Jess likes 'em, RIGHT? San Francisco doesn't have much a scene or at least I haven't met 'em yet.. I don't even know the track names of what I was anonymously sent.

― cs appleby (cs appleby), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

i'll be sharing a good recording of nasty crew's deja set from monday this evening...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 09:40 (twenty years ago) link

oi toby i didn't listen to that show but my mate took it as evidnce that d double has been kicked out of NASTY. whatd'ya'reckon. did you hear that?

― lukle, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

Jammer did imply in his exit interview that some of the MCs were on his side - maybe D.E.E. was too loyal to Jammer?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

there is some nasty crew mix cd in rhythm division mixed by marcus nasty that has dee on it, and it has DEE in it. it has only just come out i think so.....

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:23 (twenty years ago) link

i've only heard 5 mins of it so far and i'm at work now, but i should be able to have a listen later and let you know...

what's that cd called ambrose? did that nasty show one ever come out??

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago) link

ok i found it on their website:

ARTIST : N.A.S.T.Y PRES. MARCUS NASTY 1165
£ 6.80

TITLE : N.A.ST.Y MIX CD
LABEL : WHITE LABEL
MIXED BY MARCUS NASTY, MAC 10 & SYKIK WITH MC'S KANO, GHETTO, SHARKY MAJOR, D DOUBLE E, FOOTSIE & MONKEY

definitely looks worth a punt. i guess it isn't the old nasty show thing cos jammer was on that, wasn't he?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 12:59 (twenty years ago) link

It would be criminal if The Nasty Show never saw release. My favourite single piece of music of '03 by far.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:10 (twenty years ago) link

theres a track 24 minutes in which is like todd edwards grime, whats this?

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago) link

I don't have the set on the computer I'm on. Does it have any female vocals or do you mean Edwards as in cross-hatched noises?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:19 (twenty years ago) link

"we were always"?

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm that sounds like Roll Deep's "You Were Always" (female goes "You were always..." and the guys rap the end of the line) - but that's not on the Nasty Crew set!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago) link

oops, sorry, was talking about that ruff sqwad set from dec

― gareth (gareth), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:33 (twenty years ago) link

Is that on-line? It would be "You Were Always" though, as Tinchy Strider from Ruff Sqwad is one of the main MCs on it.

I've yet to hear a Ruff Sqwad track I like as much as "R.U.F.F."

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 13:37 (twenty years ago) link

it is indeed "you were always". according to martin's wiley interview it's going to be on tinchy's album, if it ever comes out (i don't think he's actually got a record deal).

the ruff squad set's on slsk, tim, sadly i don't have any webspace to put it up (though if you can suggest other ways i can transfer it to you via the internet (is there a possibility with instant messenger stuff?!) i'm happy to).

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago) link

Tim have you heard 'Armour'? It's a great mega-widescreen epic Ruff Sqwad orienstrumental sort of like Vice Versa remix and R.U.F.F.

― Keith McD, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:29 (twenty years ago) link

i really need to hear the vocal version of armour that i heard last week again.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:33 (twenty years ago) link

plus there's a heartbreaking Foulplayified track in that Ruff Sqwad set on J da Flex. the one where one of them says "Rapid, biggest producer on road!"

― Keith McD, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago) link

Rapid tunes are alot faster and skippier innit.

― peckham rye, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link

I'm feeling Shifty alot. 'Life in the East is so hard/Anything goes there's no holds barred/One place i feel safe is yard/Enter my yard you will get scarred'.

― peckham rye, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago) link

is this your real e-mail address, toby?

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:02 (twenty years ago) link

yes, i'm just lame at replying to emails. your cd will be in the post soon...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

sorry fr the bother ws just checking you got it ok graffiti seems to be playing up. thanks.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

christ that ruff squad set from the 22nd is really something.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

does the "mystery roll deep" track have a name attached to it yet? or a release?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 January 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

haha i looked this thread up and ws just about to ask about the same 'you were always' song (dunno about the mcing but the track is gorgeous, is it an swv sample?) but i see that all happened upthread. wd love to have a proper copy of it, anyone have an mp3?

― minna (minna), Thursday, 8 January 2004 08:34 (twenty years ago) link

ground zero should be on the roll deep album ... check the Wiley hyperdub interview.

― ryan kuo (ryan kuo), Thursday, 8 January 2004 09:07 (twenty years ago) link

the only copies of "you were always" going around (and it's been going around for well over a year!) are radio rips.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:47 (twenty years ago) link

'you were always-
playing some annoying mental game'

strider, with the best line in the song, i love that bit

― ulke, Thursday, 8 January 2004 10:55 (twenty years ago) link

yes it is an SWV sample. I know this because Wiley plays it on the pirate recording Luke sent me and calls it the SWV riddim (and tells all the ladies to rewind their tape and learn the words, which is funny because Dizzee's verse is pretty damn mysogynistic)

― Keith McD, Thursday, 8 January 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link

LEARN TO RAP

― KILLA B, Thursday, 8 January 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

'you were always' - you're talking about that 2 years old Roll Deep song? it's great, but I have only one old pirate version... is there a new recording of that song?

― rishlje, Thursday, 8 January 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago) link

nah, it's the same track, it's just getting played out again.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 8 January 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

"Tim have you heard 'Armour'? It's a great mega-widescreen epic Ruff Sqwad orienstrumental sort of like Vice Versa remix and R.U.F.F. "

Ha ha this description is *purpose-built* to make me salivate uncontrollably. It occurred to me the other day that over the last year my entire listening habits have shifted somewhat towards overblown melodic multicoloured pyrotechnics. I'm not sure what's the cause but I'm blaming dancehall.

Incidentally, after all that confusion over Vice Versa being a remix or not I'm pretty sure that it's just "Vice Versa" now! Sorry for mixing everyone up!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 9 January 2004 00:51 (twenty years ago) link

rapids got about 10 new tunes all like that though. i haven't heard one called armour, although i've heard one armour from NASTY does the vocals on. rapid has gone crazy. everything he's dong is amazing.

― l', Friday, 9 January 2004 09:27 (twenty years ago) link

what do we think of the terror danjah production sound, the tuff tracky futuro hyperdubbyness i find a bit of a turn off really. anything less twee out there that might change my mind?

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

'cock back' is quite dainty in its way tho i suppose, averts the usual goth d'n'b moshpit

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

the dude who did essentials - 'get over it' was SOOO much better being terror danjah, i wish he'd reappear

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 10 January 2004 00:48 (twenty years ago) link

does anyone know the name/producer of the guy who did that tinchy freestyle track about 20 minutes into the ruff squad dec. 22nd set with the crazy rock drumfills?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 January 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago) link

Define "grimette", plz.

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link

Grime with girly bits. Basically it's old femme vocals style 2-step only with grime production where the 2-step production used to be - check for example any remix/bootleg of an R&B tune by a grime producer (eg. Danny Weed's remix of Jamelia's "Bout" - a classic of this mini-genre!).

The best stuff strikes me as an odd mesh of early 2-step, 'ardkore and that brief late nineties fad for jungle mixes of R&B tunes - the first for the way the producer shreds the vocals to little hiccups and phrases, the second for the way it all sounds like a composite of different effects, and the third for its brute physicality. It's definitely quite different to even the darker vocal 2-step of 00-02, which tended to let the vocal run straight through.

This stuff isn't the future in any way shape or form, but I enjoy it immensely.

because the original tune (or the lead vocalist in the case of new productions) is pretty much eviscerated by the snapping beats and slimy basslines

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

That sounds fantastic. Where do I start?

― That famous guy who won a prize (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:11 (twenty years ago) link

Jamelia - Bout (Danny Weed Remix)
Davinche ft. Kele Le Roc - What I Found In You
Terra Danjah ft. Shola Ama & D.E.E. - Contagious

... are my three favourites, but look for that one Luka talked about on his blog 'cos he makes it sound awesome:

Terra Danjah feat. Sadie & Kano - So Sure

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

hey remember gemma fox! they just rereleased 'messy' wih a jim jones verse, but a lame new beat sadly

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:55 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah true "Messy" is the prototype for this, as is Outlaw Breaks' "Dutty". Also the Lorraine Cato vocal mix of "Pulse X".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 03:36 (twenty years ago) link

so sure

that wasn't me that was lee, (anythingcanhappen.blogspot.com) who i think was posting under the name tinman. i should have made it more obvious i was quoting.

― luke', Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:01 (twenty years ago) link

gemma fox has a horrible voice tho!

the only other tune ive herad like this (on the independance site) is a bit rubbish too - Get 2 Know- Skepta Feat Chardonnai (thats a good name though). my fear is that the vocalists they are going to get are kinda shit. i like shola ama however, if only i could actually hear that tune with terra danjah!

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 12:43 (twenty years ago) link

ambrose i think it's like the first or 2nd track on last week's femme fatale 1xtra set, check it

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago) link

All the 1xtra sets are fucked up at the moment though - click on what you think is Femme Fatale and it'll give you halfway through Rodney P & Skitz or something.

Ambrose the rubbishiness or otherwise of the vocalists is usually a bit moot because they're mostly sped up shrill cyber-divas (this is why I didn't include Gemma Fox or Lorraine Cato first off - the sound has moved on slightly).

Prima explain your Terra Danja hate plz - I don't hear the Hyperdub connection you're making, or if I do surely it applies to Danny Weed, Davinche et. al. as well?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

O.K, I 'spose it's a bit unfair to just tempt you
This is N.A.S.T.Y from 5th Jan '04 on DejaVu. Amazing set featuring Kano, Sharky Major, Ghetto, Stormin, Armour, Hyper, and some geezers called NJ Fever, Bruiser, Hyperfen and Marciephonix (think they're from Dynasty crew, but I'm sure Luka will now what's what). Check out Bruiser, 'Get Meaayyy'. Oh, and the first tune is "So Sure".

― tinman, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:17 (twenty years ago) link

The above will download, this one should play directly in RealPlayer.
"I’m a master at work, I ain't talkin’ ‘bout nine to five I'm a master that merks /
Since class I spat words, an’ I won’t ever stop till I drive past in that Merc."

― tinman, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

whoops...
this is the correct link:
RealPlayer-N.A.S.T.Y.

― tinman, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

right, i've got the 5th jan ruff squad set now, and it'll be on slsk in an hour or two. fantastic stuff as noted above. i've also got the nasty crew set there as an mp3.

luka's right - "armour" is lethal injection. i'm stupid.

tinman - could you msg me next time yr on slsk?! i had a crash and lost my user list.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

All the 1xtra sets are fucked up at the moment though - click on what you think is Femme Fatale and it'll give you halfway through Rodney P & Skitz or something.

I thought something was wrong! Are they on there anywhere then?

If I can get Nicotine client to work for Mac (Tim, have you tried this?), I might finally be up on soulseek soon. I'm desperate to hear all the new stuff.

― Fatal Beret (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

(thanks toby!!!)

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:29 (twenty years ago) link

(that's cool cozen. let me know what you think of it. check out hollindagain and the grubbs 12" too if you don't already have them, i love them both.)

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

Nordic, "Contagious" was a track on the previous Richie Vibe Vee session whih is how I heard it. Will probably turn up again when they fix up whatever's wrong cos both he and Femme seem to like it quite a bit.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

anyone who doesn't download that brand new nasty set above is crazy.
watch what happens about 8 minutes in, watch that rhythm!

― ', Wednesday, 14 January 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

listen to NOW! what you doing? actually the new MCs are shit mostly but stormin and sharky are smashing it on some old school nasty shit. kano's quite good on it too.

― ', Wednesday, 14 January 2004 10:15 (twenty years ago) link

20 minutes in kano starts killing flirta d terrible terrible terrible referring to how ghetto dashed the mic in his face on stage, ahhhhhhhh! marcus wanted to get flirta into nasty but flirta never wanted to and since then its been beef. flirta d is from west and when he spits he makes funny noises. thats his gimmick. thats the background.

― ', Wednesday, 14 January 2004 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

For Tim and anyone else that cares, the 1Xtra links are all working again now.

― the baby from three men and a baby, but all growed up (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:16 (twenty years ago) link

Lee/Tinman I like your blog lots but you should post more!!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:52 (twenty years ago) link

Foulplayification! around this mark:
: Playing 32kbps
: 17:05:10

in the new Femme Fatale set with Kano & Mac 10

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 15 January 2004 13:58 (twenty years ago) link

That set is still playing De La Soul live for me instead of Femme :-(

I notice that Femme and Richie are increasingly parting ways, with Femme playing more and more grime and Richie playing more and more old skool.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:02 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, I've had problems with 1XTRA site in the past
and discovered that messing around with it (repeating, trying all the different (multiple for each DJ) links) sometimes produces breakthrough

except, last week I successfully loaded Femme Fatale, had to stop it, came back to it and got the De La show again - aaaah!

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:13 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah I think that's what happened to me! Grr.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 January 2004 14:25 (twenty years ago) link

It's still working for me! There's some nice stuff on there too...

― the baby from three men and a baby, but all growed up (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 January 2004 15:20 (twenty years ago) link

that bit that lukas talking about with kano 20 mins in makes hims sound like mc paul barman!!!!!!!

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 16 January 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

fuck that riddim at 40.00 is amazing!!!!!!!

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 16 January 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

what are good shops in london to buy 12"s from? names and streets, preferably.

also, what are good ukg websites worth checking?

(questions from a friend, he wanted asking).

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 16 January 2004 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

Blackmarket, isn't it?

Rewind mag site is all right. Hyperdub also.

Has anyone heard the j2k thing yet??

― East Bay Crackhaus (nordicskilla), Saturday, 17 January 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago) link

tell him rhythm division on roman road.

― ', Saturday, 17 January 2004 10:39 (twenty years ago) link

the words "grime garage" are in big writing on the front of the daily telegraph this morning!

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 17 January 2004 13:23 (twenty years ago) link

ta luka.

wht's the article like toby?

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 17 January 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link

i don't know, it was sealed and i wasn't going to buy it to find out. part of a feature on music in 2004 i think so prob not very exciting.

what's this wiley track called "morgue" that i'm waiting to download, then?

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 17 January 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

Grime garage
Spiritual homes: Bow in east London; Croydon; the internet; radio stations broadcast from scary tower blocks.
Musical influences: raving, Playstations, hand-rolled hydroponic cigarettes.
Key accessory: a mean-looking crew of mates.
Anthem: Ground Zero by Wiley.
In the cities and suburbs of the UK, a sound is being created so new that no one yet knows quite what to call it. Young kids with access to cheap and simple music-making software (sometimes even on Playstations) are blending the dancefloor funk of UK garage with the bass-heavy rawness of drum and bass, the spacious rolling syncopations of R&B and dancehall/ragga, and the futuristic gleam of electro.
While more fashion-orientated clubbers are still obsessed with rigid, retrograde 1980s-influenced music, a tight underground network of ravers, producers and distinctively British rappers, linked by websites and pirate radio stations, is rapidly evolving the lithe, "grimy" sound of the future.
Dizzee Rascal is the highest-profile proponent of the new British urban sound, but his ex-colleague in Roll Deep Crew, producer and MC Wiley Kat looks ready to follow his success with an album due in the spring. Two female rappers, Shystie and Lady Sovereign, are also being tipped for success following their joint appearance on The Battle by Medasyn, aka Gabriel Olegovitch – a young producer who has already remixed Christina Aguilera and Lil' Kim. A less MC-centred substrain of the sound is centred around a club night called Forward in central London and – somewhat bizarrely – the suburban sprawl of Croydon. Producers such as Plasticman, Horsepower, Hatcha, Sheffield's Oris Jay and Mancunian Mark One are all knocking out endlessly varying instrumental permutations on what variously has been called "grime garage", "eight bar" or "dubstep" to a small but dedicated cadre of obsessive listeners.
Although most "grime" records have thus far been aimed at DJs only, get ready for this uncompromising, mind-bogglingly inventive UK sound to break into the mainstream in 2004.

Joe Muggs

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 17 January 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

I'm going to a reading tomorrow to find out more about those mean-looking crews in those scary tower blocks...

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 17 January 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

I'm listening to that Morgue track right now, says it's a remix. Just don't ask me to explain what it sounds like.

― mentalist (mentalist), Sunday, 18 January 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago) link

the verdict on morgue
re record shops
d'arblay st in soho is ok for blackmarket and uptown. i guess its best to head east for rhythm division and independance.
big apple in croydon 37 surrey st.

the j2k heat on the street 12" is ok. worth it for "this is me"

― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 18 January 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago) link

!! i hadn't heard "what" before, but morgue sounds v v similar. i really like both of them.

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 18 January 2004 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

"What must Auberon Waugh be thinking? Well with the greatest respect, who cares ...?"

― Barry Davies (robin carmody), Sunday, 18 January 2004 20:16 (twenty years ago) link

who saw the dizzie/grime article in entertainment weekly?

― juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Sunday, 18 January 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

No way is "Ground Zero" an "anthem"!! Or are the pirates really much more serious than I've been led to expect? (I don't really understand the insane "Ground Zero" love - it's good but not as good as "Ice Rink" or "Eskimo" or "Ate All The Pies" or some of the other tracks I've heard from the new album. Mind you I've not heard the vocal version Toby's talking about).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 19 January 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

Just heard that Rephlex are releasing a grime compilation sometime mid-April. Mostly instrumental, more the Plasticman end of stuff than Wiley/NASTY/etc. A positive development? Most of the Plasticman stuff hasn't really grabbed me.

― Jason J, Monday, 19 January 2004 15:50 (twenty years ago) link

its a linkl between rephlex and soulja. ie full on dubstep. so positive?er.......it´ll mean that i might persuade more people to go to forward....

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:17 (twenty years ago) link

do i get my cookie for predicting this a month or two ago?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

Chocolate chip or cinnamon?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 January 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

chocolate chip, of course

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 19 January 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.cookiesinheaven.com/images/cookies/chocolate_chip_cookie.jpg

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 19 January 2004 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

haha 'yo! silence'

― prima fassy (bob), Monday, 19 January 2004 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

Did anyone ever say whether there is a Lord Of The Decks 2 or not? Are these comps vinyl-only?

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Also-any chance of reprinting that ET article? Me is curious.

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 00:04 (twenty years ago) link

lotd was cd-only

there was supposed to be a dice recordings comp out too, thuggin ruggin was the lead single i think

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

oh nordic u are so wacky with the names

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

ta very much, zemko.

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:10 (twenty years ago) link

that's actually my real name

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

On that Femme Fatale set (which is finally working) the two tracks which I'm guessing are Dizzee's "Street Fighter" and Terra Danjah's "Creepy Crawler" are both astonishing. "Street Fighter" in particular is amazing: bombs over Hiroshima!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:04 (twenty years ago) link

That Kano & Sadie track is also amazing. I guess some people were talking about it upthread.

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Shame Femme had to talk all over the Kano verse :(

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah Terra Danjah's a pretty versatile producer. I don't really understand Prima's Plasticman comparison - if anything Terra's like a gifted understudy to all the major grime producers with no particularly distinct signature sound yet.

Re: Femme - she really is quite an odd proposition. She looks like a pin-up anchor and then she goes nuts over all these grimey-the-most tunes!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 04:26 (twenty years ago) link

hello sweethearts. dunno if lotd2 came out but it's supposed to be. also at the end of febuary the Box Bloody Fresh compilation and dvd is coming out. new tracks by riko, ruff squad, nasty, east co, knightz of the round table, Gods Gift and others. dvd includes live pirate sets, videos etc etc i've heard some really good things off of it and some things which are horrible r&b pastiche things usually featuring jookie mundo singing on them. i love east co but they're desperate to sell out and go commercial.

― ', Tuesday, 20 January 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

ok ok will reassess terra d. tho listening prejudices one so

omg street fighter! i remember like 2 weeks after i luv u dropped on 12 i think it was deuce or rwd that said the next 12 will be street fighter/camera flash or that the dubs were out or something like that

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 10:57 (twenty years ago) link

bizzack, ok obv i hate to pour cold water on a wet blanket but i still pretty much think the same about terra; v v talented and well produced in the sense of detailed skitters and crunches and whoops but in totality this feels like cleaner grime, and a lot of the time this detail does add up to a trackier Forward sound, for instance the trax firecracker, flammable, we are the worst. i totally hear a signature sound. i dont doubt this is progression from established grime producers and not from elsewhere, but it feels less notional than someone like target, or that he's aping the boorish strand i like least about grime... oh i dunno. i do like the newer grimette tracks a lot more tho.

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 12:05 (twenty years ago) link

actually u know what it all is, it's the attitude towards being futuristic

that's my bete

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 12:07 (twenty years ago) link

i would quite like to know what jess thinks, not least cos er i hope he might agree with me :P

― prima fassy (bob), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

Don't get your hopes up.

Listening to the Femme/Mack 10/Kano set again and I've really underestimated Kano in the past. Sorry, Kano.

― the icebox (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago) link

kano is the best! I didnt like that sadie track though. Use better singers!

there were posters for lotd2 around london a while back, i dont know why its taken so long to come out.

i wonder if they´ll ship to spain when it does....

having looked round the record shops in BCN, i can conclude that a) they are crap, b) grime has not hit catalunya. Evenm the russian seem more clued up than this lot! (in response to something that nordicskillz asked me sometime)

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link

To Tim and Cozen and anyone else on Macs - I got Slsk client working for Mac last night, no problems so far.

Anyway, I'm on, so if anyone's feeling generous...I ripped the N.A.S.T.Y. session off of Femme if anyone wants it.

My user name is the first part of my email address.

― the Eskibox (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

Aaah, I see Toby...

― the Eskibox (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

hmm, but it seems can't d/l from me. or am i wrong?

glad you ripped the nasty set off femme, i've been trying for the last couple of days but my computer keeps fucking it up. i've got the nasty deja set from monday up now (thanks tinman).

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, my files are a bit of a mess, but it's in the NASTY folder. I'll sort it out when I get home.

And no, for some reason 98% of the files I tried to DL from you didn't work! (?)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:33 (twenty years ago) link

have been watching the discussion. this and the dancehall thread have been terrific reads.

so does this stuff appear and disappear quickly from slsk?

(will prob be back on it from next week)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:42 (twenty years ago) link

What's your username, Julio?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:46 (twenty years ago) link

oh I have to reinstall slsk and I will use a diff user name. I'll tell you next week.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

i would love to share my opinion of terra danjah for the delightfully sarcastic mr. zemko, but i've never heard him/her/it. i'm having the same basic problem as julio these days...i can't find dick on slsk.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

i can't find dick on slsk.

There are rooms exclusively for that kind of thing, jess.

Yeah, I am a little disappointed. I thought I would hit the grime/UKG motherlode (that's the main reason I spent HOURS installing it), but every file that has turned up so far has lead me right back to Toby's hard drive (d00d, you're cornering the market!).

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

too right i'm cornering the market. jess, why aren't you d/l-ing from me?!

adam - are you behind a firewall or something? that often seems to cause problems. i can see your files, anyway, but the nasty set doesn't seem to want to d/l (it hasn't failed, it just sits there).

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

Someone else asked me if I'm behind a firewall. If I am, it's not one of my own design.

Err, I'm not actually at home right now to correct anything - I left my computer on because I was going to work and I had stuff queued.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:31 (twenty years ago) link

doesn't the mac have it's on firewall um i don't know too much about this. paging ed etc. i thk you have to enable yr computer to allow p2p sharing w. the mac but i might be wrong (this might only be an icommune issue).

as fr the music. 'armour' is amazing. it sits next to my mp3 of roxy music 'more than this' and each time it comes on i always think 'wht is this?!' i can't imagine what a vocal version of this sounds like; the lead organ riff is so high in the mix to kinda suffocate any ideas i had of imagining mcing.

lord of the decks - said so on the other thread: classic and dud ('who'd'a thunk it, a genius AND an asshole!')

haha 'wiley fr fuck sake please answer the phone!'; i'm a sucker fr phone conversations on tracks.

the other stuff - there's SO much other stuff! thks toby

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

lord of the decks 2 appears to be online! i haven't managed to d/l it though, and there's no tracklist.

"armour" is really called "lethal injection" it seems, cozen.

adam - maybe there's a mac issue. i'm sure there are forums devoted to this kind of thing. if not hopefully more people here will get on slsk and sharing grime...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 20:03 (twenty years ago) link

system prefs -> sharing -> firewall -> probably set to 'on' (mine is), set it to, let's see, 'off' -> services -> turn 'personal file sharing' 'on'.

i think this shd be the routine, adam. give it a try i suppose.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 20:11 (twenty years ago) link

I will!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 20:14 (twenty years ago) link

i would download from you toby if i could get slsk to run these days!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

and if i stopped downloading nu-dnb tracks like a chump.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

i'm d/ling from you now adam :-)

jess - do you have the latest version of slsk?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

i think so. i'm actually on now, so if anyone wants to msg me (dubplatestyle) and point out the riches, i'd be much obliged (winky winky.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

ok you cheeky non-sharer you...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

heh...if anyone wants my usual 12 random mp3s they are more than welcome to ask to be added to my list.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

(the perils of 500 mb hard drive...)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

Everybody DL from me because as long as you are all still getting a connection I know that someone hasn't seen my Powerbook lit up through the front window and burgled us while I'm at work.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago) link

ah fair enough jess. i'd share the other 8 gigs or whatever of grime i had if i had a bigger hard drive.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:31 (twenty years ago) link

can anyone tell me anything about mucky wolfpack btw?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 21 January 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, it's god's gift's crew, stamina, all-in-one, a white guy whos name i always miss, i think rigby's in there too, i'm sure i'm forgetting some people, all competant but no one really stands out, double g aside naturally. dunno if they've realeased anything as a crew but stamina and all-in-one appear on most of the riddims, pied piper, icerink etc

― ', Thursday, 22 January 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

toby wasn't kidding about that vocal version of "ground zero". wiley's kind of an underrated mc, isn't he?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 January 2004 03:31 (twenty years ago) link

Heh I was waiting to disagree with you, but that is nice. He's still a bit weak lyrically, though.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 04:56 (twenty years ago) link

the thing about wiley is, he was the hottest, he was one of the first to step up lyrically, his flow was sharp everything, then, i dunno if he was partying a bit hard or what, but his voice got fucked, started all cracking and going warped, his lyrics got lazier, timing got lazier all at the same time as the new generation were coming up and raising the levels again, so he got a bit left behind basically, but now he's a bit focussed again, still not back to where he used to be in about 2001, but just about up there with the best of them again. still definietly one of the best writer

'38 bus, thats where you saw me on the 38 bus
nah, thats what you saw you saw the 38 bus
i'm long like the 38 bus cos i never turn up'

'i know trouble, trouble said he don't know you
i know crime, crime said he don't know you
i know hard times. hard times said he know you
i know hustler hustler said he don't know you
i know whos who and whos who don't know you'

― l', Thursday, 22 January 2004 10:08 (twenty years ago) link

'what up buzzin buzzin
bird flip a dozen dozen
holla at your boy, boy
you thought your cousin wasn't?'

- cam'ron

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 22 January 2004 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

just cos you sport pink velour, that's your problem mate

― ', Thursday, 22 January 2004 11:52 (twenty years ago) link

haha yeah toby come tell him how i sport pink

― prima fassy (bob), Thursday, 22 January 2004 12:02 (twenty years ago) link

Who does the beats on Tinch's "It's Real"? (thanks, toby!)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 22 January 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, toby is the fucking don.

haha i know this is seriously old school at this point but dee's lines in "cock back" still make me tear up

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 22 January 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

Interesting stuff up on Femme and Richie - streaming video of Doogz from Maida Vale/Wiley's "What Do You Call It?" (haha)/Sticky and Wonder in the chart/PAUG with Wiley and Dizzee-"Watching You" - what is this? anyone?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 24 January 2004 09:20 (twenty years ago) link

Doogz is great and everything but I am not really planning to sit through a half an hour of video of him in an empty studio.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 24 January 2004 09:25 (twenty years ago) link

But synthetic-apparel-fuelled breakdancing isn't enough for this generation. Oh no, they want grime. These days the average teen is busy "throwing up gun-finger", risking life and limb to dangle a coat-hanger from the 38th story of a council block in Hackney (something to do with pirate radio) or attending raves where people enthusiastically fire bullets into the ceiling - but only if a tune is particularly "nang". Which means good. Apparently.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 24 January 2004 12:48 (twenty years ago) link

I just read that. It's a rubbish article. ("surprisingly enough" haha)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 24 January 2004 13:22 (twenty years ago) link

No, it's funny. A somewhat clued-in older person (i.e. over 22) not trying to pretend she's part of it. I can relate, to a certain extent. Unless she is actually taking the piss.

― JoB (JoB), Saturday, 24 January 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago) link

so am i the only person still getting last week's femme fatale show (starting with 'battle'), then? i want to hear 'bastard'!

'what do you call it?' is a shit vocal version of ice rink then. that's pretty disappointing.

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 24 January 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

Hmmm, that's weird Toby. Sounds like Tim was having some of the same problems. I haven't got to "Bastard" yet...

Whether black, white, Asian or other, all one needs is to be "from road" (have street-cred), not be too old and have "skills".

haha!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 24 January 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

Shystie has N.O.R.E. on her album?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 24 January 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

any chance of you ripping 'bastard' if you notice it?!

in dl-ing news, i'm halfway through getting more excellent ruff squad sets. finger crossed i'll identify the tune i fell in love with on dec 29th and can't remember anything about...

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 24 January 2004 17:46 (twenty years ago) link

oh and lord of the decks 2 tracklist:
1.INTRO
2.DURRTY DOOGZ: CANT HOLD ME DOWN
3.ESCO: FREESTYLE
4.D.DOUBLE: FRONTLINE
5.CRAZY TITCH: FREESTYLE XCLUSIVE
6.WILEY: PICK YA SELF UP
7.SHARK MAJOR: FREESTYLE
8.DURRTY DOOGZ: GANSTER XCLUSIVE
9.N.A.S.T.Y FEAT CRAZY TITCH: COCK BACK
10.KANO: FREESTYLE XCLUSIVE
11.TINCHIE STRYDA: FREESTYLE XCLUSIVE
12.DANCEHALL MAFIA: MIND WORKS XCLUSIVE
13.ESSENTIALS: LAST NIGHT
14.WILEY: BASTARD
15.FOOTSIE: RIGHT HOOKS XCLUSIVE
16.EARS: FREESTYLE XCLUSIVE
17.DANCEHALL MAFIA: THUGGIN IT OUT XCLUSIVE
18.KANO: TRUE G XCLUSIVE
19.STORMIN FEAT SHARK MAJOR: GETTO XCLUSIVE
20.D.M: BRONX TALE XCLUSIVE
21.G-FORCE: U CANT RELATE XCLUSIVE
22.LETHAL B: ROLLING WID DA FIRE
23.D.M TRIGG & MYTH: DEFEAT US NEVER XCLUSIVE
24.HYPER & D.DOUBLE: LYRICAL COMBAT XCLUSIVE
25.D.DOUBLE & B.T: FREESTYLE XCLUSIVE
26.KANO,TRIGG & MYTH: BLAST U NIGGAS XCLUSIVE
27.DIZZEE RASCAL: UNRELEASED
28.OUTRO

doesn't look all that exciting to me. anyone know what's on the dvd? anyone heard it, come to that?

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 24 January 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago) link

any chance of you ripping 'bastard' if you notice it?

Every chance!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 24 January 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago) link

i hope lotd 2 is mixed a bit better than the first one...it sounds like they were making pause-button tape edits in their bedroom.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 January 2004 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

ooh that dice recordings lp clip on independance sounds seriously hot! the 5th one after the grimette sounds ill... this could be one for your pazz and jop 04 ballots kids!

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 24 January 2004 21:53 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.independance-records.co.uk/dicerecordinglifeadicevol1.wma

think you're a big boy cos u stroke your beard / pazz and jop ballots'll make your face look weird

(sorry)

― prima fassy (bob), Saturday, 24 January 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

haha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 January 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

thank you for that. now I might have to start going to record shops other than improv and jazz ones.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 January 2004 22:20 (twenty years ago) link

don't do it julio, it's a trap!!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 January 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link

next thing you know you'll be wondering where ten years of yr life went

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 24 January 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link

haha no chance of that.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 24 January 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago) link

Julio don't forget to put your southeast london face on when you go to these record shops. You know, the one you used to walk through Woolwich at 1am after that improv gig in Hackney.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 24 January 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

will do.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 25 January 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

a cookie for anyone who can point me to a full version of bigga man & ears doing "player"

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 26 January 2004 02:55 (twenty years ago) link

(ie. NOT from the jammer mix)

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 26 January 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

lotd 2 is pretty hot, actually, isn't it?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

particularly doogz "can't hold me down". but "bronx tale" is straight up hip-hop pastiche in the worst possible way, from the title on down.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:05 (twenty years ago) link

*salivates*

plz tell me someone is sharing it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:07 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, I looked into ordering it and getting it delivered to my parents house then over here but...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! Ummm, never mind.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:10 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, be worth buying that, i will
and watch out for 'box bloody fresh' too. it's going to have that nasty session from deja i was banging on about, live on the dvd. that should be funny. ghetto ('skiny nigga no muscle' NASTY)
clashes and embaresses
napper ('6 foot 5 tower' '14 stones, capable of breaking bones' east co)

― '''''''', Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago) link

do you mean the nasty session from monday luke?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:19 (twenty years ago) link

the young man standing one i mean?

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:20 (twenty years ago) link

that is what i mean. excited?

― ''''''', Thursday, 29 January 2004 09:46 (twenty years ago) link

i have to say that on first listen i'm not feeling this set as much as you do. it's definitely good though.

(slsk crew you can get it off me, lurking in 'my music'...)

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 29 January 2004 13:12 (twenty years ago) link

actually it's going to make a mental dvd.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 29 January 2004 14:18 (twenty years ago) link

@d@m i am getting LOTD2 delivered to spain! surely it can make it to the states?!

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:19 (twenty years ago) link

i'm still cross about that guardian article...

― martin (martin), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago) link

@d@m i am getting LOTD2 delivered to spain! surely it can make it to the states?!

Yes, I'm gonna try. I can get Deuce out here now! Are Cage selling LOTD again?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

c'mon, the Young Man Standing Deja set is absolutely FIRING! Best moments so far..: Ghetto clashing Napper (obviously), and this from J.ME -
"When I started the game, picked up a cue, every five minutes, get two shots, never get caught with a white in the pocket get ridda the eight-ball in double shots / I cut the eight-ball by i, cos in maths, I weren’t a fool, big guys understand what I shot but dickheads think I’m talkin’ bout pool / From day one I said I was serious, but nobody took me serious, with them boy I go to the raves, spit in the raves and I spit in their face with a disrespect cos I am serious / WHEN I KNOW I AM SERIOUS / J.ME don’t take no shit boy that don’t like J.ME listen up”

― tinman, Friday, 30 January 2004 17:13 (twenty years ago) link

"new kylie uh i mean wiley"...haha oh doogz you big goofball

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 January 2004 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

"IT'S REEEEEAL!! THEY DON'T KNOW!"

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 30 January 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

yeah that j.me lyrics is ill, he's coming on in leaps and bounds. keep hearing kids saying
SERIOUS
a lot so he's got a little buzz on street too

'but who did you really kidnap napper?'

― '''''luke, Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

kids saying
SERIOUS

Excellent.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 31 January 2004 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

so whats the overall verdicty on LOTD2?both comps are fairly variable i guess. there is some good stuff on the new one though. 'Can't hold me down', the Dizzee freestyle (is that the streetfighter riddim underneath?), the Essentials tune is good, I'm geting into the Storming and Shark Major one after reading spizzazzz, but theres a lot of crap on there. like, unfortunately, the kano tunes. what happened to him? that ´'true g' and 'blast you niggas' are a bit lame.

and i'm sick of D double! still dont get the love felt for him by everybody. fuck that 'make yr face look weird" rhyme. that seems to crop up about 10 times on the cd.

whats the dvd like? i will have to wait 6 months before i get to watch that...screw that.

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:44 (twenty years ago) link

lotd2 is good. probably the cd i've listened to most in the last couple weeks. the stormin/shark major track is really good, but the DM track ("bronx tale") is fucking awful. whatever the future of "grime" is, let's not have it be turning into fucking brit-rap, okay? (and that dizzee freestyle is from like 2002 isn't it? let's. push. things. forward.) "can't hold me down" is probably the best overall track, certainly the most "polished"...fuck it, though, it's the hotness.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:49 (twenty years ago) link

I've only played it once so far but I didn't mind "Bronx Tale", not just because I like brit-hop but also because it feels like a lookback thing not a 'future' thing, coming just after "Ghetto", it's a nod back to an older kind of music. The other thing that really jumped out at me was the Lethal B one, it made me laugh and I wasn't expecting a sex rhyme so it surprised me too.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 15:58 (twenty years ago) link

anyone see the grime primer in the new rolling stone?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:04 (twenty years ago) link

all the tunes are old so don't bother get no one to dub it for you, lots of great stuff but you've heard it before. it's all about the dvd. you need to see the dvd, dti video is jokes, crazy titch is magnetic, ruff squad keep doing flying kicks, wiley's good value, d.e.e's got a big motorbike so on and so forth. it's not exactly expensive.

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:05 (twenty years ago) link

anyone see the grime primer in the new rolling stone?

That's "grimy," pal, not grime.

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:10 (twenty years ago) link

the sharky and stormin track is too slow, when they do those lyrics over other beats they sound much better. the kano freestyle is big.
jess is overreacting to bronx tale, its quite nice and i LOVE dm, great voice. the track with kano('been around since master system'), trigg and myth is great, haven't actually heard that one before.

― luke'''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago) link

and the dizzee track was getting a lot of play well before the album dropped, well, before i luv u dropped as it goes, should have been on the album, much better than the vast majority of tunes on boy in the corner.
fuck ambrose is total nutbag sick in the head- 'blast you' is total classic

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago) link

haha, yr right andy. a friend wrote that, and i kinda felt embarrassed for him.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

haha of course i'm overreacting. but then again, having lived through 1994, i have plenty of records that sound like dj premier dat's left behind the radiator for a few months and not so many tracks that sound like, say, lyrical combat or that kano freestyle.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:36 (twenty years ago) link

yup yup, fair enough...
but considering it doesn't use samples it's not that much like premo anyway. premo would run a mile if he saw a drum machine, et alone fruity or logic or something.

― luke''', Wednesday, 4 February 2004 16:43 (twenty years ago) link

true true

(he sure is a handy straw man tho)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 February 2004 17:23 (twenty years ago) link

who else has seen the dvd then?

target mix cd out in about 2 weeks.

― lukr'''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

I'm waiting for my copy, looking forward to the DVD.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

just reading back. it looks like i said
fuck ambrose
well i did say that
but you have to read it right
the fuck is an exclamation, an expression of disbeleif
fuck, ambrose is a nutbag.
just thought i'd clear that up since i'v been offnding people left right and centre recently.

― lukr''''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

Haha! so what's on this Target mix, Luka? And who's releasing it?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:35 (twenty years ago) link

urrr, dunno, have to admit to being totally ignorant on this. maybe riko's chosen one track will be on there, cos i'd bet twenty pound thats target on production. i just mention it cos he's a lot of people's favourite producer. even guys like martin clark who don't like the MC stuff like target so, i'm just saying, keep an eye out. he's probably putting it out himself.

― '''', Thursday, 5 February 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

"Chosen One" is a Target production. The idea of a Target mix-cd makes me very hot and bothered.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

Although Luke's comments confirm my fears re: his looming respectability.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

Heh heh. There could be (if there isn't already) a great study to be made of the (perceived?) problems of native UK urban styles going respectable, however defined, over the last fifteen years or so.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago) link

I really hope that – unlike Jammer with The Nasty Crew – Target can remain within the confines of Pay As U Go Kartel. Partly because – Dizzee and Wiley aside – he’s probably most vulnerable to being swept up by the general media and being transformed into an “intelligent grime” producer, on account of the unabashed emotionalism and clean lines of his production style. He largely avoids grime’s trademark abrasiveness – something frequent production partner Danny Weed is more adept at providing – and his tracks have a greater resemblance than most to the delicate friskiness of 2-step (though this cuts both ways: check his “Earthwarrior (Remix)” for some ferocious woodchopper beats a la London Dodgers’ “Down Down Bizznizz”).

Far better that Target use these qualities to remain grime’s foremost pop producer, ie. more The Deepest Cut, less The Haunted Science. I’d hate for his tunes to lose their loveable winsomeness, but more importantly I’d hate for him to drift away from the big MC numbers that are inevitably his best work. “Pick Yourself Up (Remix)” and the martian beauty of “Chosen One” both illustrate how astonishing grime-pop at its best can be, compressing layers of different feelings into small boxes of tightly wound energy and intensity.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

that little rant is from a forthcoming blogpost btw

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

Tim, are there any mixes or streaming shows that showcase this less abrasive sound?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago) link

Some of the recent Femme Fatale/Mack 10/Kano set has that sound, and as I said above, it finishes with "So Sure", which i still love (is it out yet?).

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah Femme Fatale absolutely loves Target, she played "Pick Yourself Up" and "Chosen One" heaps and "Gemini" and "Earthwarrior (Remix)" a fair bit. But it's mixed in with other grime, 4/4, old skool etc. etc. I'm aware of no online show or mix that focuses on it exclusively, although I imagine a Target mix-cd would fill that gap admirably. It's pretty much his schtick.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

Has "Chosen One" had a proper release? It's got a fair bit of crossover potential, IMO.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:30 (twenty years ago) link

Ooooooh, listening to the current 1Xtra: Pirate Session with Cameo and just heard "So Sure"! It's spine-tingling!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 5 February 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

listening to the wiley album sampler/single/whatever it is (problems/what do you call it?/mins) for the first time. problems is great, i don't recognise it, light and summery. mins is an instrumental, i'm pretty sure i recognise it, but i'm too tired to place it now.

more about this tomorrow no doubt.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

problems is so much better than what do you call it? that it just isn't true.

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 6 February 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

I still kind of "What Do You Call It?".

Is there a release date for "Skating On Thin Ice" yet?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

kind of like

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone heard the J Da Flex session with NASTY, Ruff Sqwad, and Boyz N Da Hood? I'd check it, but I'm at work.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago) link

By the looks of things, thee's not a lot of new stuff on there, but there's a Terra Danjah track called "Love Is Here To Stay".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Saturday, 7 February 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago) link

for the first time ever my flatmate likes a grime tune!! "problems", in fact, because "it's not angry".

the background tune in problems is v similar to my favourite dub that used to get played on the last few roll deep shows on rinse.

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 7 February 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

LOTD 2 arrived today - I am now watching "A Day With Wiley" and totally, totally losing it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:11 (twenty years ago) link

Fast shipping to Cali from West London, I should say. Nice one!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

that's excellent! now we can talk about it and make everyone jealous enough to go out and buy a copy! (if you didn't like it just pretend you did, to make me happy!)

my favourite bits
1)wiley and jammer go to the urban music conference. wiley saus to camera
'now, let's find some yoots and make them clash'
they find the yoots and make them clash. they're really good as it goes. i like the one with the big afro and the one in the blue tracksuit and cap who's veins pop out.
2)crazy titch being crazy.
3)wily in the studio with his hats and his trainer collection.
4)ruff squad doing flying kicks and showing off 'the whips'

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 11:19 (twenty years ago) link

this sounds amazing. how do i get a copy of the dvd?

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 13:02 (twenty years ago) link

sounds like you should get it from whereever @dam@l got his. if they can get it to the far side of america that quickly they should be able to get it to glasgow before the sun sets. i payed £15.99 for mine but i walked to the shop and bought it.

other highlights-
skepta and jammer both totally wrecked, jammer on the high-grade, skepta on champagne.
the comedy DTI video.
shifty's hi-top
davinche's afro
doogz' addidas ensemble.

everyone is VERY camera shy and i have to warn you the prodcution values aren't that high, ahem, ok sometimes the interviewees get drowned out by the sound of traffic, ha! but, what do you expect, look what it says on the box
IN DA STREETS FOOTAGE

here's all the people on the DVD
crazy titch, d.e.e, doneao and crew, doogz, east co, essentials, j.me, skepta, more fire, ruff squad (and extended devons road crew) wiley, NAA, and a cameo from davinches afro.

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

Cozen I got mine from independance-records.co.uk, it was £15.99 plus not much postage and very quick.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 8 February 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

i have to admit it's very weird to see captain rasclaat staring out me 4' X 4' from posters in local stores here in bumfuck...he's just a poor boy a long way from home...

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

Actually Cozen aren't you coming down to London soonish (or did I miss you?)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 8 February 2004 15:47 (twenty years ago) link

I got mine from Cage Records. Cost the same as Tom's.

Wiley's hats crack me up. Also D Double on his bike, JME, Jammer, and Skepta drinking champagne in the studio for Skepta's birthday. I'm still getting through it all, but it's gold and it makes me homesick for some reason. :( Haven't heard so many London accents for a while...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago) link

The best thing is that the whole aesthetic is brilliantly, yeah, not expensive, but there is a warning on the back of the box that says BEWARE OF CHEAP IMITATIONS

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 16:30 (twenty years ago) link

ca you get this from that shop in bethnal green? (I'd like to visit that one of these days).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:01 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, "Problems" is a straight-up pop tune! For some reason, my iTunes has decided that Wiley's genre is "Gay".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:11 (twenty years ago) link

that's where i got mine from. it's the bow end of Roman though, not the bethnal end, mile end is closer, tube station wise if you know your way around.

― luke'''', Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:14 (twenty years ago) link

thanks.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

wow "problems" is pretty great...so emo! and the little melody running in the background reminds me of something 80s i can't quite place. "what u call it": not so good.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago) link

(thanks luke & tico tico, i'm on it.)

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

oh and yeah i'm in london april 1st - i'll probably pick it up then if the excitement doesn't get the better of me.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 8 February 2004 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

i guess i should get this really, i have too many films to watch at the moment though (it'd be like regle de jeu vs wiley fite!! etc etc.)

i'd love to place problems, as soon as i get 10mins i'll do an mp3 of the dub i'm talking about from the rinse shows last year.

― toby (tsg20), Sunday, 8 February 2004 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

the little melody running in the background reminds me of something 80s i can't quite place

yes! wtf is it??

I might be able to put some stuff off of the DVD online...

Toby, La Regle Du Jeu is f***'in murky, believe.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 8 February 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

Grrr there are heaps of Target tunes in the new Femme Fatale mix (04/02) but for some reasons it's still playing the 14/01 set for me!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 9 February 2004 00:37 (twenty years ago) link

me too.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 February 2004 01:28 (twenty years ago) link

wiley beats regle de jeu! (haha is tht godard? um, or melville? no... no? no, tht's le cercle rouge, 'it's all french' innit.)

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 9 February 2004 03:01 (twenty years ago) link

yeah i still get 14/01, too :-(

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 9 February 2004 08:23 (twenty years ago) link

re: the LOTD DVD - they should have given me a call, I've got all the gear and everything...

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:52 (twenty years ago) link

so is 'what do u call it' really wiley's first single? not feeling it at all.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 9 February 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

Am I the only person who quite likes it?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

No.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Monday, 9 February 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

it's like ok, but considering how much i loved it as an instrumental... it's disappointing.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 9 February 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

i'm offically disappointed. i would have been more disappointed had i not expected to be disappointed. igloo is so amazingly good that you can only conclude that wiley's vocal sucks all the life out of it. which is a sad conclusion to have to come to.

i hereby confess to never having heard problems.

i have heard a doogz tune about the desirability of going back to school though.

― ''''''''', Monday, 9 February 2004 23:34 (twenty years ago) link

okay i like "what do u call it" 2000% more after playing it loud in the car today

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

did he reproduce "igloo" for it? the whub-whub-whub in the lowend sounds kinda gentrified

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

>even guys like martin clark who don't like the MC stuff like target

HEY!!! i NEVER said i don't like MCs, i'm just fussy because there are so many shit ones out there. standards are no bad thing.

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, it does sound a bit gentrified doesn't it, meddling cuntbags

― '''''', Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

perfect for dinner parties and gallery openings now

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:22 (twenty years ago) link

and anyway martin you should be proud, i jst mentioned your wiley cover story on my blog, what more recognition could a man want?

― ''''''', Tuesday, 10 February 2004 01:24 (twenty years ago) link

oh i'm honoured ;)

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago) link

wiley beats regle de jeu! (haha is tht godard? um, or melville? no... no? no, tht's le cercle rouge, 'it's all french' innit.)

Jean Renoir! 1939! Not so grimey on the beautiful superblazo BFI DVD you need this fucker in your lives. It fucking roxx. Renoir: pioneer of street level realism: obviously ardkore.

― Engrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 10:59 (twenty years ago) link

due for release Feb 16th (I think)
The below was ripped from the RWD forum - if you want to see the post just type Target in their search function:

" Target's Aim High mixtape preview

Aim High Presents Vol 1 featuring...
GODSGIFT, DONAE’O, D DOUBLE & FOOTSIE, BREEZE, J2K, WOLFPACK
HANNAH, MAYHEM, FLOW DAN, SCRATCHY, CRAZY TITCH, BIGGIE PITBULL, JAMAKABI, WILEY, KANO & DEMION, RIKO, MAXWELL D, PAY AS U GO FEAT. DIZZEE & WILEY, JET LI, BRAZEN, OT FEAT DOGZILLA & SYER.

Production primarily from Target but also TNT, Danny Weed and Geeneus

Will be available from rhythm, uptown, etc... "

looks pretty much essential

― binman, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

Riko!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

So he's out of jail?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 10 February 2004 19:18 (twenty years ago) link

I've got a tape of him and God's Gift from October 2003 - think he's been out since around that time.

― flimflam, Tuesday, 10 February 2004 19:27 (twenty years ago) link

AIM HIGH PRESENTS VOLUME 1

1. INTRO – GODSGIFT
2. DONAE1O – PEOPLE DON1T KNOW (DANNY WEED XCLUSIVE)
3. D DOUBLE & FOOTSIE – U DON1T WANNA WAR WITH MAN (TNT)
4. BREEZE – NIGGA PLEASE (TNT XLCLUSIVE)
5. J2K - FREESTYLE (YOUNG GUNZ BEAT)
6. WOLFPACK – WOLF1S ARE LURKING (DANNY WEED)
7. HANNAH – FALLING (TARGET)
8. MAYHEM - MILKSHAKE FREESTYLE
9. FLOW DAN – PASS THAT DUTCH FREESTYLE
10. SCRATCHY – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
11. BREEZE – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
12. CRAZY TITCH – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
13. FLOW DAN – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
14. BIGGIE PITBULL - SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
15. MAYHEM – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
16. JAMAKABI - SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
17. WILEY - FREESTYLE (RAH DIGGA BEAT)
18. KANO & DEMION – BRING ARMS (DANNY WEED)
19. RIKO – CHOSEN ONE (TARGET)
20. SCRATCHY – P.E.N.C.I.L BOY (TARGET)
21. BREEZE - FREESTYLE (TARGET)
22. MAXWELL D – MY WOMAN (TARGET)
23. PAY AS U GO FEAT. DIZZEE & WILEY – WATCHING U (TARGET & GEENEUS)
24. JET LI & MAYHEM – TRY (TARGET)
25. GODSGIFT – BUS, BUS, BUS RMX (TARGET)
26. BRAZEN – BUFF GIRLS (TARGET)
27. OT FEAT DOGZILLA & SYER – STD (TARGET)
28. FLOW DAN – SOUNDBOYS (TARGET)
29. BIGGIE PITBULL - FREESTYLE (TARGET)

― martin (martin), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 11:21 (twenty years ago) link

mmm looks good.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago) link

Chosen One!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link

Nice to see Flow Dan on there, too.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 11 February 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

Tim's 03 round-up, so good I read it twice over.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

It's funny. The backing track for R.U.F.F. (which I really like)reminds me of nothing so much as early Mu-ziq.

― bugged out, Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

Strange you say that, because Problems instantly reminded me of a few tracks off of Royal Astronomy.

Hmmm....

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 12 February 2004 22:02 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.xlrecordings.com/wiley/

― Paul (scifisoul), Sunday, 15 February 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

whoops...
this is the correct link:
RealPlayer-N.A.S.T.Y.

this doesn't work anymore... does anybody have a new download location? thnx...

― xxtina, Monday, 16 February 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago) link

more lotd2 comment: that wiley tune, bastard, sounds rubbish on the cd! he keeps on going, we're gonna push the bass up, push the levels, but the sound gets quieter! vocals too high in the mix!

my new best tune on there is the ears freestyle. mainly cos he uses so many silly grammatical tersm. go linguistics! "adjective and a full stop!".

also, i'm into the essentials tune. who the fuck are ears and essentials? luka? anyone?

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 16 February 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago) link

essentials are some boys from new cross/deptford. there's quite a few of them. they did a tune called 'get over it' (i think) that did alright. they were on the young man standig show too, one of them can be heard saying (something along he lines of)
'oi, it' not fair, pass the mic, you mans are big already'
they're also featured on the dvd.

dunno who ears is.
i like the dancehall mafia one too, though ghetto is now in nsaty as i'm sure you already know.

― luke''', Monday, 16 February 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

few thoughts on lord of the decks 2:
- doogs sounds like a Eastend version of Bounty Killer (especially when she shouts "IT'S REEEEEAL!! THEY DON'T KNOW!”-stylee)
- wiley/kylie 'skit' – what's that all about? I mean, doogs said (on DVD) that the beef is squashed so why diss?
- Kano is a godawlful MC. Dizzee blasted his freestyle!
- too much wack hip hop titles in the second half of the compilation
Conclusion – 'Street Beats' comp. is much better. The best moment on 'LOTD2' is still NASTY 'Cock Back' (tha booomb!)
And yeah – was it a big problem to write the names of the riddims on the sleeve?

― streethooligan, Thursday, 19 February 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

NdoubleA

― scg, Thursday, 19 February 2004 15:45 (twenty years ago) link

*revive*

am back on slsk (fucking finally!) and d/l a bunch of wiley tunes as well as the lord of the decks 2 comp. anything else around recently.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 February 2004 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

Julio, get all the Ruff Sqwad you don't have NOW (if you don't have it all). You can get it from me. Use the 1st part of my email addy.

Grime thread needs love!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 February 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

nordics I don't quite know how to search for an user name so I'm searching ruff sqwad instead.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:01 (twenty years ago) link

Julio click anywhere on your user list, and a little tab will appear up top saying 'add user', and then you can add him.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

thanks tico.

nordics where is yr ruff sqwad folder.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:12 (twenty years ago) link

ummmm, all over the place. I will compile it for you when I get home. But you're tight with Toby, right? ;) ;)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:14 (twenty years ago) link

heh, not yet in my user list on slsk but soon enough *triple winky*

thanks adam.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:17 (twenty years ago) link

I'm just listening to Armour by Ruff Squad and I am totally hooked. Can anyone else hook me up with shit like this???? My slsk is choking_tara, choking_tara. Thanks

― jinxed, Thursday, 26 February 2004 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

i keep hearing loads of total shite hiphop stuff. i blame dj samurai for encouraging them. lewi white's doing it, g-force is doing it, loads of people going that route. the new ones coming through seem to being going down a straight hiphop path. hopefully thats just a blip cos the results aren't promising. the scene does need new blood though.

― l'''''', Friday, 27 February 2004 11:29 (twenty years ago) link

P Jam

Producer of N.A.S.T.Y's track "War Talk".

Think he's from North London, maybe something to do with Double O Squad.

― tinman, Friday, 27 February 2004 16:55 (twenty years ago) link

i was in jammer's studio the other day and him and lewi are making lots of US-style hip hop inc a cut up of Minnie Ripperton. no more sinogrime (from what i heard)...

― martin (martin), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago) link

oh fucking hell

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

Was it any good?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

I feel like I put up with grime. It seems transitional and doesn't excite me at all. Where is a new hardcore-continuum dance genre whose aim is make me dance?!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

Have patience!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 February 2004 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

I hope it's not a long wait like with DnB *ducks*.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 February 2004 19:05 (twenty years ago) link

spencer otm :[

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 19:08 (twenty years ago) link

I'd rather be in denial, darlings.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 February 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

But ask me again in say, 6 months time.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 February 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago) link

holy shit! I just watched ashman's 'how it is' video on tht channel spizzazzz likes. he's like 14 or something!

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 27 February 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

Exactly! And who says grime doesn't have potential? Just wait until his voice breaks and he gets into Marillion. Then he'll really be on some next level shit!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 February 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

seriously tho, he looks like a 'little sprites cheat' biggie!

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 27 February 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

oh also it ws a straight-up uk hip-hop tune too.

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 27 February 2004 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

straight up UK hip hop? And that's a bad thing?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Friday, 27 February 2004 23:22 (twenty years ago) link

haha 7/10

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 27 February 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

Ha Davinche's "Grimey" actually reminds me of Marillion!!!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 27 February 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

now i will cry.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 27 February 2004 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

adam- I couldn't get to college today so no slsk. but should be there tomorrow (if you did compile some ruff squad stuff, no probs if you haven't etc etc).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 28 February 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

Jess it's that track on the Jammer mix-cd with the keyboard solo. I'm revealing my shameful neo-prog roots here btw.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 28 February 2004 00:34 (twenty years ago) link

yeah, it's all turned to shit. come back in a years time when they've realised no ones listening

― l'''''''', Saturday, 28 February 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

So, I finally got to hear some more j2k stuff. Interesting. Also:

I love girls, I love sex, I love cash, I love cheques

Is this Streetfighter? It sounds very familiar.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

And I ask again: any sign of the Target mix?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

isn't that the roll deep mystery song, adam?

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

start of the deja 92.3, 23rd dec set has it. 'i love girls, i love sex, i love cash, i love cheques' - dizzee rascal.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, it is on the Deja set. A mystery, you say?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

I was reading one of my yat's old Face magazines from bout last year and it had all these fashion shoots with East Co and Nasty. Nicky Slim Ting had one of those wicked old skool adidas tracksuits on and dee looked dap in purple velour and he had these fucking huge copter shades!

― scg, Monday, 1 March 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

I'm sure luka id's it up the thread as "i love" or something bt I always call it "the mystery roll deep song". it's a cracker tho.

― cozen (Cozen), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

hey adam thanks for putting the ruff sqwad mix togther. you er, rock.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 1 March 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

mm target mix is out. i'll give it a listen in a bit and let you know what the grinch thinks

― prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

is this a CD release and what is "mm"? can it be found on slsk?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:15 (twenty years ago) link

yes, cd. dunno about slsk. mm is me going "mm". bit like "yes" i suppose

― prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:19 (twenty years ago) link

the cd is sort of in light green and grey which is always how i saw target musik anyway which is pleasing and augurs less aggro i hope. looks a bit like a footlocker version of the global communication cd!

― prima_fassy (mwah), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:21 (twenty years ago) link

Zemko, where did you get it from? I checked in with Uptown and Blackmarket and they didn't seem to know what I was talking about.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:23 (twenty years ago) link

uptown. hee hee did u phone this afternoon, i may have witnessed yr call!

― prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:28 (twenty years ago) link

mm, thanks pf!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:30 (twenty years ago) link

also, is there a more specific title than "target mix"?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

No, I emailed. Gotta watch those long-distance rates.

Spencer - It's called "Aim High".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago) link

From upthread:

due for release Feb 16th (I think)
The below was ripped from the RWD forum - if you want to see the post just type Target in their search function:
" Target's Aim High mixtape preview

Production primarily from Target but also TNT, Danny Weed and Geeneus

Will be available from rhythm, uptown, etc... "
AIM HIGH PRESENTS VOLUME 1
1. INTRO – GODSGIFT
2. DONAE1O – PEOPLE DON1T KNOW (DANNY WEED XCLUSIVE)
3. D DOUBLE & FOOTSIE – U DON1T WANNA WAR WITH MAN (TNT)
4. BREEZE – NIGGA PLEASE (TNT XLCLUSIVE)
5. J2K - FREESTYLE (YOUNG GUNZ BEAT)
6. WOLFPACK – WOLF1S ARE LURKING (DANNY WEED)
7. HANNAH – FALLING (TARGET)
8. MAYHEM - MILKSHAKE FREESTYLE
9. FLOW DAN – PASS THAT DUTCH FREESTYLE
10. SCRATCHY – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
11. BREEZE – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
12. CRAZY TITCH – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
13. FLOW DAN – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
14. BIGGIE PITBULL - SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
15. MAYHEM – SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
16. JAMAKABI - SCORPION FREESTYLE (TARGET)
17. WILEY - FREESTYLE (RAH DIGGA BEAT)
18. KANO & DEMION – BRING ARMS (DANNY WEED)
19. RIKO – CHOSEN ONE (TARGET)
20. SCRATCHY – P.E.N.C.I.L BOY (TARGET)
21. BREEZE - FREESTYLE (TARGET)
22. MAXWELL D – MY WOMAN (TARGET)
23. PAY AS U GO FEAT. DIZZEE & WILEY – WATCHING U (TARGET & GEENEUS)
24. JET LI & MAYHEM – TRY (TARGET)
25. GODSGIFT – BUS, BUS, BUS RMX (TARGET)
26. BRAZEN – BUFF GIRLS (TARGET)
27. OT FEAT DOGZILLA & SYER – STD (TARGET)
28. FLOW DAN – SOUNDBOYS (TARGET)
29. BIGGIE PITBULL - FREESTYLE (TARGET)

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:32 (twenty years ago) link

oh no it's lilac! mental. intro first tune. organic tooting then gods gift shouting, ow! oh some africany drums. pleasant. already better than lord of the decks 2, i dont wanna sound like a dick but i didnt like that much. why am i talking like this! ok the intro was this donaeo tune... bad singing. something about 'racist constables', sigh uh huh ok wassup etc

― prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:37 (twenty years ago) link

No, I only like about half of LOTD 2 also, and mostly stuff I'd heard before like Esco, Doogz, and NASTY.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:42 (twenty years ago) link

actually i can't do this william wiggins style any more zzz. let's have a riff thru. d-ee tune meh. j2k freestyle over 'no better love', good choice 4 this cd, keepin it radox. maiheim = milkshake revocal. modern!! flow dan freestyle ahhhh 'pass that dutch' YECHHHHH >> FFW

― prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

Vivid.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 1 March 2004 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

i like poor old donaeo's singing better than his MCing and his spliff smoking farmer impressions. it's not that bad. i need to go to the shop again though. did you notice whether box bloody fresh is out yet? it should, but that doesn't mean much. the music on lotd was a bit patchy. i got it cos i wanted the DVD. a good pirate session still smashes anything else. but the big boys don't hardly turn up any more. too busy 'working on their albums' or something. i really like those all star rhythms. the highly flammable one everyones been caning for ages is still the best. the new one is by lethal b. it's got loads of people on it. thats good too. my favourite mc at the moment is ghetto. he's a bit like narstie from NAA in that he won't just spit a little 8 bar, or a 16, he'll go and do about 64 or more, only he's better than narstie cos he;'s from plaistow not brixton. narstie is good though. solo and antix are good too from that crew. um, what else, nothing really. nasty easily the best crew. um, thingy, meridian trying to clash roll deep but honestly, they're really not nearly ready, skepta is big but lyrically they get crushed.

'i love soul, i love trance, i love music slow or fast
but i wish i would have listened in class'
that's the one you're talking about. it's been floating around for about a year now, but still no one seems to have a name for it. thats why it's called the mystery track. i've only ever heard scholar from ruff sqwad play it. brillaint though, obviously.

― l'''''''', Monday, 1 March 2004 23:53 (twenty years ago) link

bloody hell yes THANK YOU anything's better than farmer yardie. the rest of the cd is making it better. skippin over scorpion riddim, not setting me alight. wiley freestyle over joe buds 'fire', i kinda underrated this beat, jsut blaze needs some nu ideas tho. bring arms is that mumshouse lyric over understated beat. oh this is 'chosen one', ok this is ok! the er... underbeat is nice and insistent but riko's telling me to stay calm. hm ok riko. do be doo... last set of trax have a nice skulk to them, god's gift one is quite good, best since intro. 'std' is clumsy and crude and lame. flow dan still engaging when he's tense mumbleflowing and still iffy on choruses. ok sorry folks i was sleepy b4 and still ready for bed now, it was ok i certainly aint hating but i prefer the young gunz lp all the same! maybe just grime's not for me anymore. omg i see a giant floating dizzee head and his mouth is opening he's about to speak here it comes now and he says "OH WELL"

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:05 (twenty years ago) link

and yeah that higlhyt flammable thing is kida go

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

the fingers you have used to dial are too fat, please mash the keypad with your palm now

*cough* and yeah ur right that highly flammable megamix is v fun! more of that please defo

― prima_fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

I have to say, I've never really liked God's Gift. I thought he ruined Street Beats. Flame me now.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago) link

and prima, you had me until the Young Gunz thing.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:16 (twenty years ago) link

dude u had me until the god's gift thing! i can defend young gunnaz all day on principle i dont even need the facts or anything, but that lp's ok. haha i mean it's not like i bought it or anything. YET! i might for the juelz tune. and 'cant stop wont stop' was the tune of 03 blatantly

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:21 (twenty years ago) link

how u could prefer doogz to gods gift is really beyond me tho

― prima_fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago) link

It's because I love the cheese.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link

I know God's Gift is like, a legend and everything, he just seems to suck all the intensity out of any tune he's MCing over. To each his own.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

I've never really liked God's Gift. I thought he ruined Street Beats. Flame me now.

ok then. i think you must be a girl. what are, some kind of big girls blouse. gift is exceelent. if you don't like gift that means you don't like riko because they sound identical. only sissys don't like riko.

everyone loves god's gift. and riko dan.

street beats would have been shit even if every copy came with a golden ticket to visit the chocolate factory.

there, is that ok?

― l'''''', Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

I love Riko and Flo Dan!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:31 (twenty years ago) link

wot he sucked the intensity out of the tune on the dizzee lp?! did u hear him on pum pum riddim, or doing never scared on 'heat in the street'! intensity, thats like the only thing i couldnt say against him

― prima fassy (mwah), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:32 (twenty years ago) link

wot he sucked the intensity out of the tune on the dizzee lp

Hold Ya Mouf? I would have preferred Riko on that!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:43 (twenty years ago) link

intensity is definitely the mans forte. theres two clash lyirics on igloo, one by gift one by riko, any money you couldn't distinguish between the two (if the names were bleeped out)

who wants to sort me out with heat in the street? (assuming it left the shops ages ago)

i'm going to put a pizza in the oven. then i'm going to bed.
goodnight sweethearts
hey, prima fassy, am i confused or do you do spizzazzz?
thats what cozen told me but he lies about everything, its congential, all scotsmen do it

― l'''''', Tuesday, 2 March 2004 00:49 (twenty years ago) link

Prima is Rob Them Co.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 01:01 (twenty years ago) link

(hi prima!)

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

luka, I only have three tracks off of Heat In The Street, but you're welcome to them if you don't have any joy elsewhere.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 02:10 (twenty years ago) link

god that young gunz album is fucking trash

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 2 March 2004 03:32 (twenty years ago) link

Video for "Wot Do You Call It?"

I can't watch because I'm at work.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 00:26 (twenty years ago) link

not exactly envigorating UNTIL the motorbike bit...wtf is that about? after that even the tune seems to take off.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 00:41 (twenty years ago) link

I wish I knew what you were talking about.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 00:42 (twenty years ago) link

is he a motorcycle nut? are there lyrics about motorcycles in there? revving sounds in the track? halfway through it starts to cut away to a guy doing wheelies for some reason.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 00:44 (twenty years ago) link

is he driving one of those ruff ryders motorcycles?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 00:45 (twenty years ago) link

oh those are just great

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 02:18 (twenty years ago) link

Okay now I see it. Well, all those Eski Dance scenes are great, especially the girls in the front.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 02:23 (twenty years ago) link

the first half is kind of funny actually.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 02:24 (twenty years ago) link

Big up Rhythm Division and the actual bloke behind the counter!

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

Does anyone know anything about the upcoming "Grime" compilation from Rephlex? (!) CAT 156 LP/CD.

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

Luka I have "Heat in the Streets" - you know the deal.

That heinously good Lethal B riddim is called the Forward Riddim (not FWD, may I add)

I heard two tracks from the RePhlex comp on Rossi B & Luca's (no relation) show [Sunday 5pm-7pm Rinse100.3fm]. Certainly not grime. From what I remember I preferred "Mark One - Stargate" to "Plasticman - The Music", both more on the dubstep side of the tracks. I do have to admit a definite attraction to Mark One's militant beats, including his mix of P.M's Hard Graft.

― tinman, Thursday, 4 March 2004 03:38 (twenty years ago) link

Here's the replacement for the broken link of N.A.S.T.Y b2b Dynasty from 5th Jan on DejaVu92.3

― tinman, Thursday, 4 March 2004 14:08 (twenty years ago) link

re: JoB

"Grime. Sublow. Dubstep. It's Music. Different people call it different things, depending on when they discovered it. In the 80's, maybe it was House, Techno and Electro. In the 90's it was UK-G, Drum and Bass, Breaks or whatever. Now there are so many terms for it that the journalists can’t pidgeon-hole it any more. This is a good thing - it's music. Moody music. Multifunctional, multifaceted music created by Humans with Brains, Hearts, Machines & Electricity. Music that’s great for dancing to in clubs, or submerging yourself within your headphones, your car, your home, wherever. It's instrumental dance music, but it's the perfect forum for the best MC's and vocalists. We at Rephlex call it Grime to publicise to the people at large, outside of the specialist world of it's producers. The purists might debate the name, but while they do that, crews around the globe are uniting in this strong & fresh dance movement. In this age of Information Technology, people are able to easily find real quality that they actually want, without being spoon-fed compromised product. Now, it is a time of change and the soundtrack is Grime."

!!!!!!!!!! we at rephlex call it grime?!?!?! well thanks for bestowing that name upon the world guys!!!!

there is some night at the end for the album. 23rd april with markone and plasticman.

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 5 March 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago) link

heh! that's pretty funny!

cheers lee, i will give you a ding when i get over the dirty cold i'm suffering from right now.

― l''''''', Saturday, 6 March 2004 00:10 (twenty years ago) link

haha mark one and plasticman are going to be playing @ the kompakt/rephlex night in nyc too. i am sure it will be uh grimey.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 6 March 2004 00:30 (twenty years ago) link

hey @d@m rhythm division shipped the target cd, try them. whats up with 6 versions of that scorpion tune in a row?! havent listened to the end of it yet cos my head hurts enough as it is. hope that maxwell d tune is good, i think he is alright

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 9 March 2004 01:09 (twenty years ago) link

what do people think of that conflict video?

― gareth (gareth), Monday, 15 March 2004 10:34 (twenty years ago) link

thanks for the tip, ambrose

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 15 March 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

anyone got the lord of the decks DVD on soulseek?

― jaheim hoagland, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 14:12 (twenty years ago) link

re, ambroses post upthread...

http://pod-135.dolphin-server.co.uk/~gareth/ilx/grime1.jpg

http://pod-135.dolphin-server.co.uk/~gareth/ilx/grime2.jpg

i dont know, i mean, i still have a lot of time for rephlex, but this is kind of embarrassing, the way theyve coat tailed on this

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 18 March 2004 14:05 (twenty years ago) link

Certainly all that blurb is embarassing. I keep expecting to see them argue that "Red Hot Car" was proto-grime, or proto-dubstep, or whatever,

― Antmusic78 (Antmusic78), Thursday, 18 March 2004 16:51 (twenty years ago) link

Hey, has anyone heard this "Life's A Dice Game Vol 1" thing? Tracks from JME, Skepta, Lethal B, East Connection, also has "Serious Thugs" and a Skepta/Terra Danja thing that sounds suspiciously like "DTI".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 March 2004 17:25 (twenty years ago) link

Has anyone read the Eski beat article in the new Dazed & Confused? Any good?

― JoB (JoB), Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago) link

Okay, first impressions - there is some dodgy stuff on here, but also some really excellent stuff. Two Diablo (?) productions that are very much on a DJ Premier/sped up soul cut-up thing (sorry strongo), one of which I'm certain is "Strawberry Letter 23" and is just okay, with some decent MCing from Culprit and some other people who aren't named. A terrible Littleman/Chardonnai track. Also a full version of "Serious Thugs" and one of the Skepta tracks is the aforementioned "Don't Fuck Around" which is pretty nice. Other standouts are two JME (who I'm REALLY starting to rate) tracks, one of which ("Scotland") rides some weird somnambulant melody that could be off of Ambient Works Vol 2 or something. Also Snagga ft Guyver "Nasty" which reminds me a bit of "Popadomz". And there's an R&B cut "Cold Living", the beat sounds a bit like "Something About Us"!

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

Also Venom's "Armshouse" is the literal and logical conclusion to J0hn Darn13ll3's theory that "all UK Garage is Madness with guns".

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

ugh, this dice thing...all my worst fears confirmed. grime producers ripping off kanye...WHY?!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 04:30 (twenty years ago) link

i mean right down to the clap-boom-boom-boom-clap and squeaky soul sample

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 04:32 (twenty years ago) link

(actually i am sure some of this is pretty hot. i need to give it a better listen, on headphones maybe. i think i have some sort of weird trifean jingoistic reaction to hearing british people rocking over straight-up rap beats.)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 04:33 (twenty years ago) link

have it (Life's A Dice Game) on vinyl and like about 4 or 5 of the cuts but it hasn't drawn me back
prefer the more UK continuum + R&B girly / ragga sounding bits
the closer it gets to U.S. hip hop production the less interested I am

bought it for "Serious Thugs" though cos the 12" of that was O.S. at the time

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 25 March 2004 05:01 (twenty years ago) link

No, I think I agree with you both. It's a bit dodgy in many places. There are definitley one or two good tracks on there, but that's it.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 05:43 (twenty years ago) link

No real surprises, for sure.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 05:44 (twenty years ago) link

The only grime-becomes-hip hop tracks I've liked recently have been the J2k (dunno) and Flow Dan (Pass The Dutch) cuts on the Target tape.

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 05:45 (twenty years ago) link

i was gonna get that target mix from you but its in that pesk .m4a format.

j2k is a bit too mean to the ladies for my tastes.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 25 March 2004 05:47 (twenty years ago) link

oh yes, the m4a thing. I did that by accident. I'll fix it soon, so check back tomorrow.

Does that mean I am bad for liking J2K?

― @d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:14 (twenty years ago) link

The Rephlex blurb is kind of silly, but am I the only person pleased to see they're engaging with this music head on, instead of getting one of their mates to record a dodgy Squarepusher-style parody of it? Not living in London, I'm welcoming any attempt to distribute this music that doesn't involve paying £7 for it.

― Jason J, Thursday, 25 March 2004 13:44 (twenty years ago) link

the new winamp does the m4a thing apparently. or get dbpoweramp with an add on to convert 'em.

― mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 25 March 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago) link

that life's a die game was what i was refferring to when i said i blame dj samurari, thats his thing. in the advert he does for it he specifficaly calls it uk hiphop. hes a hiphop dj that does all the wikkawikka scrathy stuff and everything. his dream is to make grime become hiphop, then he'd be like the grandmaster flush of grime

― '''''', Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago) link

re: rephlex, yeah i mean at least their going for it, its just ironic cos, well thier not releasing any grime on the 'grime' comp. as far as i can tell. i mean, i think it was a link up between rephlex and soulja/tempa or someone!

maybe they think that 'dubstep' is a tainted word.

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 25 March 2004 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

New Upcoming Artists & Releases
UKG PRODUCERS: PH1 & BLACK TIGER

WATCH OUT FOR NEW RELEASES FROM UP & COMING PRODUCERS

DEBUT TRACKS: PUSH IT/SPACEHOPPER/SERIOUS/GREAT!

LISTEN OUT TO CREWS SUCH AS BOYZ N DA HOOD, MERIDIAN CREW PLAYING THESE DUBS!

RELEASE DATE: THIS SATURDAY 3RD APRIL

TRACKS AVAILABLE AT STORES SUCH AS RHTYHMN DIVISION/INDEPENDANCE RECORDS/UPTOWN RECORDS ETC!

WATCH OUT FOR FUTURE RELEASES FEATURING,
MERIDIAN VOCALS!!SKEPTA REMIXES!

― UKG1, Monday, 29 March 2004 01:03 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...

yeah skepta smacks it but Mr Fidget is going on an ill flex

― DeLinQuEnT, Wednesday, 14 April 2004 10:25 (twenty years ago) link

Ha ha Sticky's "Missin You" is a total grimette rip but is pretty great nonetheless - plinky plonky loveliness!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 15 April 2004 04:34 (twenty years ago) link

shystie step back rmx is still terrific, i should mention that again, dunno why ecclesia arent feeling it

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:08 (twenty years ago) link

(o hey can anyone help me work out why bbc won't stream 4 me, it's something to do with their own launcher thing cos when it's live you have the option to go straight thru into realplayer and that works fine, my realplayer is latest version, but i cant get into the archives. thnx)

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:13 (twenty years ago) link

4. If the text in the status window says 'Playing' but you still can't hear anything, check your speakers are on and the volume is turned up

FUCK YOUUUU BBC

― prima_fassy (mwah), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:21 (twenty years ago) link

prima - keep clicking on it ('play' in the pop-up player box)
and even on the little speaker pictures on the list of DJ's at right side of the box. sometimes it takes me six or more tries to get it working (where you don't get the grey blahblah message...)
somedays I have more luck with it than others

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 15 April 2004 09:54 (twenty years ago) link

thnx paul, thing is i dont get even get play, i see: 'now playing' but never no %loading thing, and a pause symbol. it's like it's crashed, i click on anything. how'm i gonna hear benji b now...

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:41 (twenty years ago) link

i wonder if anyone in the world has been collecting dizzee's 'hoe'/'go' series, it seems to be his production sketchpad muse. or just some easy pocket money

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:44 (twenty years ago) link

btw u kneejerks i really wanna hear these minnie ripperton beats! "i sell charlie in stepney" WHAT WHAT

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 15 April 2004 10:50 (twenty years ago) link

hey whos seen the conflict dvd!!! im watching it now and its really good! havent got to the bit ith crazy titch vs dizzee. but its got dizzee drinking ribena on it. also sharkie major jogging upo abnd down like he needs the toilet! and shit loads of good tunes...go to independance to get yr copy before it sells out!

see what people have ben saying about demon and his high voice. just bought that 'gansta toyz; tune with him and kano, but i havent got a record player here to hear it. whats new in grime?

""The grimey boys are here to stay", NME

?!?!?!?!

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:05 (twenty years ago) link

"Stop calling me 'Grimey'"

http://members.tripod.com/~gjohnk/GRIMEY.JPG

Father of "Real quality people actually want." Nuff respect due. RIP!

― Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:15 (twenty years ago) link

ohshit!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just heard the best tune ever!!!!!!!!

its got this sort of 'hoe' like beat, but just this this amazing pizzicato viola sound with a bowed cello bassline. have to know what this tune is!!!?!?! its only on for a minute in the dvd, then wiley tells carnage to put something else on?!?! wtf?

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 18:16 (twenty years ago) link

prima - I like "Hoe 4" & splashed for it
Plasticman played it at Volume Rephlex vs Kompakt night

heavily-reversed, body-baffling stuff - but kinda clunky
so it kindof just smacks you up "I Luv You" style
sounded great at high volume - like some Egyptian tomb opening

ambrose, your excitement reminded me of how I feel about
"What Have You Done"
gotta get that
Kano really is the champ after Dizzee
- can't wait to hear him do a whole album

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

actually I can wait, since he seems to be on course as is

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

yeah kano is definitely due a breakthrough. are all the majors/record companies with a bit of cash just going to carrying on ignoring all these unsigned people?

just got box bloody fresh. its pretty slick as a whole package. east co seem to be a bit ignored, but this is tight!

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 29 April 2004 07:22 (twenty years ago) link

kano 'what have you done' YESS ive been trying to id this tune for ages!! did 1xtra play it or something, it's utterly amazing

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 29 April 2004 10:01 (twenty years ago) link

does everyone know that wiley once fell through a garage roof? i find hat amusing.

tune i'm currently feeling: j sweet - gutter (alias remix)

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Thursday, 29 April 2004 15:09 (twenty years ago) link

sorry to cut in, but i've just found my favourite definition of the genre so far: "Grime" — a contentious term at present — is a British analogue to hiphop (which evolved quite distinctly from hiphop, being an outgrowth of UK ga-rage) featuring rapid-fire, often social-realist rhymes over oddly baroque-sounding synthesizer continuos. (luc sante, new york review of books, emphasis mine)

― m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 2 May 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago) link

new york review of books?!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 2 May 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago) link

kano, i don't think we're in kansas anymore

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 2 May 2004 14:53 (twenty years ago) link

NY Review of Books -- Yes it matters to You!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 2 May 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago) link

Grime is in the exact same position drum’n’bass was in the early ‘90s; it’s got so much potential, but the scene around it is populated by tawdry little turds, and it needs somebody like an Aphex or a Squarepusher to come along and take the sound to the next level.

― JoB ;-) (JoB), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

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― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

job without actually wanting to open the link, can you tell me who wrote that so they can go on "the list"?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:07 (twenty years ago) link

I got to the part about 'proper music fans' and couldn't've hit 'Back' any quicker.

― Andy K (Andy K), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:12 (twenty years ago) link

i want to cheer that "faceless oik"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:46 (twenty years ago) link

you do all realise this is clearly a joke, right?

She sent me an incomprehensible text in reply that read, ‘dan u twt fcku and ur stpid sht msic’. I texted her back asking her to clarify what she’d written, but she just blanked me. I just need to crack her crazy txt code – perhaps she was offering me an olive branch of some kind…?

come on...

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:47 (twenty years ago) link

haha ts: bad jokes vs. bad ideology

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

also, toby, you'll forgive me for not giving jockey slut the immediate benefit of the doubt, being the "pitchfork of dance" that it is.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 10 May 2004 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

I daren’t even get it stocked in the shop until Wire magazine does a feature on it – we’d be overrun with Kappa’d-up mini-thugs in seconds!

yeah i think this may be sarcastic. or not. or both ... i mean, there's no reason that you can't hate the idea of "next level" grime and hate real straight-up grime simultaneously.

― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 11 May 2004 09:24 (twenty years ago) link

Does anybody know what the actual tracklist to disc 1 of Box Bloody Fresh is? (haven't checked disc 2 yet, probably fucked also)

― Lukas (lukas), Saturday, 22 May 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Not as bad as it could/should be:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,13887,1219493,00.html

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Sunday, 23 May 2004 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

so what the fuck is going on with "the scene"? does anyone even care anymore? (i did, a lot, back in february or so, still. not sure if i do now.) are we just waiting to comment until each MC releases their big album?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 23 May 2004 10:57 (nineteen years ago) link

what we are watching is the degrimification of grime.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Sunday, 23 May 2004 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

that's article's fine, a little dry perhaps, but appropriate for a 'the story so far' piece. (a maybe a teensy bit ideologically suspicious for ending on D E E's sean carter "I wanna be an artist, man" move, but eh).

― m. (mitchlnw), Sunday, 23 May 2004 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Interview with Terror Danjah
http://www.hyperdub.com/softwar/terror.cfm

― sniperdub kru, Sunday, 23 May 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

if you are kode9, and i expect you are coz of the hyperdub link, thank you for 'sign of the dub'. fantastic stuff!

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Sunday, 23 May 2004 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

The week that Grime went overground:

1. Grime article in Britain's most read music magazine [OMM/ Observer Music Monthly]

2. Rephlex records release "Grime" Compilation

3. John Peel has a "Grime" session special on Wednesday night

26/05 - GRIME NIGHT AT MAIDA VALE with DJ Eastwood, MC G Double E, MC Purple, MC I.E., and MC I.Q.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Sunday, 23 May 2004 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

thanx myke

date for the diary
REPHLEX PRESENT
'GRIME' @ THE END
Friday 18th June 2004
10pm - 5am,
Grime Room: Dj Rephlex Records, Kode 9, Darqwan, Digital Mystiks, Loefah MC's Ras B, Warrior Queen, Mexican, Nika D, JSD & Goldfinger

― Sniperdub kru, Sunday, 23 May 2004 18:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone know about about the Renegade Boys? They played (unannouced) along Nasty and Roll Deep earlier this year in Amsterdam, and now they have a booking for a big festival next month (Wiley and Dizzee also performing) here in the Netherlands.

― JoB (JoB), Sunday, 23 May 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

so is anyone gonna go along to this?

http://www.rwdmag.com/music_articles/news/4723/roll_deep/roll_deep_and_nasty_to_play_at_free_concert/

and can someone give me a hook-up on where to get that split mics mix-cd

― nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 08:47 (nineteen years ago) link

...Dirrty Doogz , Billy Bragg, Roll Deep...

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link

VEX-U-CASUALTY

― nebbesh (nebbesh), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i'm going to that as i'm just around the corner. should be interesting. for free who can complain? although personally i find david gray offensive.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 09:49 (nineteen years ago) link

theres industry at herbal 1st june, with slimzee and someo ther dubstep people like plasticman i think.

also esmiko dance 1st birthday on 25th june?!? whos up for it?
its in nottingham but....
mix it up!

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 10:22 (nineteen years ago) link

just noticed that Lady Sovereign is also on the bill for finsbury park! woo!

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 10:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Calm down Myke, calm down...

― ___ (___), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 10:33 (nineteen years ago) link

the observer article was okay, chris is one of the good guys, though.

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

the OMM piece was the first grime piece in a broadsheet not to make me livid - it must be decent!

"Ice Rink" didn't start Wiley's obsession with coldness though, "Eskimo" did. "Ice Rink" started grime's ragga-inspired fashion for versions. Shame the Wiley version of Icerink never came out.

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

the LMHR festival has hit some problems (ie. the met)

http://www.lmhr.org.uk/news/archives/000222.html

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Saturday, 29 May 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Big E D ft. Bruza - The Rush... it's heavy metal grime! Not terribly brill but well funny.

But I love Danny Weed ft. Kano and Demon - Bring Armz! Demon is a perfect fusion of Dizzee and Sharkie! He sounds so utterly outraged and piqued - that high pitched yelp is delightful!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:27 (nineteen years ago) link

There's an untitled Jammer track on the current Pirate Sessions on 1xtra which is just massive, this minimal loop that could end up having "Grindin"-style ubiquity - it's got a ton of MCs on it and just sounds unbelievably great.

I don't understand all the grumblings about quality control in grime - every time I listen to 1xtra all the grime tracks sound consistently fantastic. Where's the crappy stuff?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 01:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh Gesh!
Jammer - Untitiled is MURKY
He's obviously been busy in his time away from the limelight. Shizzle, Tinchy Strider and FloDan's versions are my favourites so far.

― tinman, Friday, 4 June 2004 09:27 (nineteen years ago) link

are the mp3s around? and what happened to DC++, anyway?!

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 4 June 2004 09:31 (nineteen years ago) link

So Demon is a grime MC as well as the French house producer Ronan's been bigging up? Dammit - I was hoping for some insane grime-filterdisco thing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Friday, 4 June 2004 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

there is some filtered disco thing on the current Roll Deep album demos. eeek!

― martin (martin), Friday, 4 June 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

oh shit 2!!!!!
"ohshit!!!!!!!!!!!!! i just heard the best tune ever!!!!!!!!

i just found out what this is - dizzee rascal - "strings"...should be winging its way to me v soon. this is the only thing that has excited me for a while grime wise. what else.

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link

strings is a bit hyper-on experience dont u think

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 10 June 2004 09:30 (nineteen years ago) link

is that a good or bad thing? dont know much about hyper-on experience. all i know is that strings is heavy. and it sounds deadly on the conflict dvd, all 30 secs of it!!!!!!!!!

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 10 June 2004 09:34 (nineteen years ago) link

v much a good thing. its the bboy beepboop squiggles more than the strings what made me think it

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 10 June 2004 09:39 (nineteen years ago) link

the lady sovereign thing kind of annoys me. not least of which because it's basically the original "check one-two" with "grimey" beats.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 10 June 2004 09:55 (nineteen years ago) link

summer 2004 = big year for grime LPs.

the Roll Deep LP is actually finished!
Roll Deep mix CD is underway
Dizzee's keeps it dark
Kano's is in progress

not sure Doogz is gonna do much/any grime but i'll check for his LP as and when it drops.

― martin (martin), Thursday, 10 June 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

What about TINCHY????

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Thursday, 10 June 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

T-Star ft. Fraction-G - Bounds

Those strings!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 11 June 2004 05:58 (nineteen years ago) link

the first rule of grime artist albums: no album deal, no album! (name one garage album (not mix tape!) that has been come out on the back of the artist themselves!)

Tinchy doesn't have a deal so... no album as far as i've heard.

― martin (martin), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:18 (nineteen years ago) link

"I'm here, there, I'm everywhere, I can't be seen. I'm all over, y'naa mean"

― tinman, Monday, 14 June 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Terra Danja also has a track called "Strings" which is pretty insane. Plus his new track with Shola Ama is elegant enough to incite MJ Cole-of-grime comparisons.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 05:56 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone seen the grime feature in xlr8r?

good background on Rinse Fm's role in the scene and great pics of Kano, D Double E, Slimzee, Riko, Target, Wonder, Dirty Doogz etc.

― jon b, Tuesday, 15 June 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I read it. It was passable, I guess. great pics of Plasticman and *le sigh* D Double.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

my new grime june 2004 folder may be of interest to some.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 18:52 (nineteen years ago) link

well ok not all that much interest. but it does have some new grime in it. the ruff squad dub at the start of the 24/5 raw blaze show is gorgeous.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 15 June 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

toby is yr username toby_gee? just a guess.

also, heres the first 'grimette' tune that i am into, if grimette means gime with girly vocals....

nio - 'no strings' - danny weed and target remix. should be winging its way towards me right now....

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:41 (nineteen years ago) link

no, ambrose - it begins with c and i'm always in the ilm room.

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

did anyone read martin's interview with terror danjah at hyperdub yet? the r&b/grime thing seems promising (for right now)...

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

it's quite odd that ilxor and the US 2step list should notice that piece on the same day ... it's been up for weeks. anyone have any idea why?

― martin (martin), Thursday, 17 June 2004 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

um, it was my first day off in a while?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

er look i was in "manic vinyl" yesterday, had another listen to that nio tune (the danny weed and target remix)and its really really fucking good. anyone else heard it? just want to spread the love....you need this! i would put it on slsk if i could take a deck into work and dgitise surreptiously (ie i can't). maybe i'll ask gareth to do it on his computer

― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 20 June 2004 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

am feeling this. Target is a genius. look out for Target ft. Riko "Hands Up" too. it's a smasher...

― martin (martin), Monday, 21 June 2004 08:48 (nineteen years ago) link

yes please ambrose that would be fantastic.

i will try to record ruff squad on raw blaze tonight if i am home in time.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 21 June 2004 09:00 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm it hasnt come thru yet! is raw blaze a station? whats the frequency?

actually, can we do a london pirate check here? i am unsure as to whats going on, all i know are:

92.3 deja - now shit, no grime
100.3 rinse - v little grime, too 'forward'

raw mission - never found it, dont know frequency
heat - dont know freq.

what is the main station now?

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 21 June 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

raw blaze is 96.5
on top is 90.0

they're the grime stations of the month. heat was doing it a month or two ago, but they went off air.

this was a decent poll of the stations .... http://www.rwdmag.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3361&sid=8c5fd20d71921211c53215f87b655aa3

but i think the poll is broken.

i still love Rinse. you cant argue with Hatcha, Kode 9, Target, Wonder, Distance etc...

― martin (martin), Monday, 21 June 2004 12:32 (nineteen years ago) link

are you sure, martin?! i thought raw blaze was 90.0. in fact i'm sure it is.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

what times for raw blaze? still monday night?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah raw blaze, 9 grand

― prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

oh maybe i got them the wrong way around...

― martin (martin), Monday, 21 June 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

"BASHY:

MIC FIGHT:

Kano, Shystie, Taz & Demon

Killa Kela

Scratch Perverts

Diplo (Hollertronix/ Big Dada)

Semtex

J33"

this will be shit wont it. i am still mysteriously compelled to go.

Joe Ransom

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry forgot to say, thats fabric, fri 2nd july

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

On Top 95.5FM - southside bizzle

― kode9, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Skank 99.9 FM for Westside Connection

― scg, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Raw Blaze - 90.00 fm - grime 24/7

Heat - 96.6 fm - not been on for a few weeks, but back soon. Mainly north london crews.

Crews Control - 102.4 fm - grime etc

― tinman, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

scg wd u know what the sample is in bruza 'the rush'! ahhh its really obv, its on the tip of my tongue. either ratm or pantera. fux sake

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

(also tinman what happened to yr wonder feat kano audio clip cos all other grime this year so far is the suck)

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah that tune is great.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

oh oh anyone heard tinchy strider 'move', rapid production say vice mag? cough

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i heard a rapid production dirty called "move" but no vocal??

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

What about Desert Storm? that's pretty good.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i am a bit worried that i am enjoying more new dnb i've heard this year than most of the grime

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

*song link deleted at request of blog owner, link to blog two posts down -- MOD*

google, now why didnt i think of that!

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(haha it wasnt vice it was i-d)

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

o wait i might get in trub for direct link http://nevercamehome.blogspot.com/

― prima fassy (mwah), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

did tinchy's "it's real" ever get a release? it's probably 2003.

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

that one's great.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

no shit shylock.

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

yes that one is also great. His voice is breaking now, he sounds a bit different.

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i think he's getting better (sounding)

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"Move" is really good! It has "I Luv U" snares!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 June 2004 06:48 (nineteen years ago) link

er, so kano and demon, anyone?

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 24 June 2004 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link

tim you know when you say consistently fantastic...

ambrose: 'gangsta toyz'? i find it really boring but i suppose its one of the more competent tunes this year. ok i have a thing about terra danja "i'm a evil cyborg in the futuredate 1997" style anyway but the new shola ama one is really good

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Prima - hmm?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 24 June 2004 09:36 (nineteen years ago) link

eh, themco im talking about kano and demon @ Fabric next fri.

but yeah 'gangsta toyz' is boring. wish i hadnt bought it.
and i wish someone would tell where i could gte this terra feat shola ama tune! it turned up for me on slsk once but turned out to not exist or something.

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 24 June 2004 10:10 (nineteen years ago) link

re:Contagious

illtemper.co.uk on slsk has it, titled as a white label.

I would be at kano&demon if I could. This only compounds this weird patch of homesickness i am going through. :(

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Thursday, 24 June 2004 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link

hmm thanks for the tip adam
re: kano and demon. homesickness is not weird, it is a fact! anyways, it wont be that good anyway. that sort of think is always a terrible disappointment

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 24 June 2004 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Why oh WHY do the links on 1xtra's site always have to be fucked up???

― AdamL :') (nordicskilla), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

why oh why does that illtemper dude never seem to be online when i am?

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 28 June 2004 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

does Demon = Sharkie ?
cos J2K = Wiley, right?

either that or some peoples got so close voices

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i really, really don't like demon.

― benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I'M SO MAD, ME I AM!!!!!

― benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

etc.

― benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 June 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

b-sides, no one's seen 'em in the same room together

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 28 June 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

wo i cant imagine 2 less similar cats than s major and demon! but the idea that they might be split personalites of the same schizo is better than the pair of em

― prima fassy (mwah), Monday, 28 June 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

er, so revive. cos this thread is badass. whats new? whats exciting? i cant think of anythign that i have been into recently, whats going to get me back on track?

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 16 July 2004 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link

tonight:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/events/xtra_garage/schedule.shtml

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 16 July 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

so, whats the news about this? did it come out? when will it if it didnt?

sounds pretty good, quite like the trailer they have. hotheadz obviously is increasing its 'production budget'

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 16 July 2004 12:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Ruff Sqwad - "Anna"
Wonder ft Kano - "What Have You Done"
Kano - "Focus"
Tinchy Strider - "Revenge"
Anger Management

― broken twig, Sunday, 18 July 2004 07:54 (nineteen years ago) link

here's the link to the BBC 1XTRA garage weekend thread:
BBC 1XTRA Garage Weekend July 16th -18th

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 19 July 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

OMGOSH!!!!!!
independence has clips from lord of the mic!!!!!!!!!

freestyling over "cant get you out of my head"?!?!?!?!?!!?

WTFOMG

"click to add to cart"

ok then

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone here know anything about the following -

Creeper 1 (Aim High 2)
Creeper 2 (?)
Predicted Doogz album
Predicted Davinche mix

― broken twig, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

doogz album?!

― jess, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Doogz got signed.

― broken twig, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

There won't be much "grimey" about it, and obviously your enjoyment of it will totally depend on whether you can actually tolerate the guy.

― broken twig, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, Heat In The Street 2 is out as well.

― broken twig, Thursday, 22 July 2004 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

So has anyone heard Lord Of Da Mics? I've heard, errrr...."mixed" things about it.

Also, does anyone know about the Mr Wong mixtape?

― broken twig, Friday, 23 July 2004 08:26 (nineteen years ago) link

er well check slsk in a bit getme

dont really like mr wong stuff. why is everyone so into 'orchestra'?

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:20 (nineteen years ago) link

They are? I was just excited to see JME is on it.

― broken twig, Friday, 23 July 2004 09:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah i don't really like "Orchestra" much either. There's a fun version of it called "Kung Fu" with DM making ninja noises though. When does the Creeper tape drop? It sounds alright from what i heard on the Wiley 1Xtra thing.

― scg, Friday, 23 July 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

two-three weeks.

― broken twig, Friday, 23 July 2004 09:29 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm well LOTM seems to suffer from the same irritating "little pauses between tracks" thing that LOTD did. sort that out!

hey tho! this tune with essentials on danviche "shut down shop".....im into this. mnore running commetnary to follow.

lady fury! i liek this too. nice n minimal produced by "chunky bizzle" who the fuck is that?

the tracklisting is good cos it lists who produced all the tunes

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 23 July 2004 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

people are talking about this Risky Roadz thing coming out next month - Roll Deep, D Double, Essentials, J2K - much, much bigger than the "Lord Of" series.

― broken twig, Friday, 23 July 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont expect a Doogz album for a while, though he is working on one at the mo. i'd expect it to be very hip hop though.

all about the forthcoming Kano LP i think. (but i'm biased).

i interviewed DaVinChe on Weds and he didnt mention a mix CD.

can't wait for the Roll Deep LP. big!

― martin (martin), Friday, 23 July 2004 16:33 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

New garage microsite ...

http://www.steal-life.com/slideshows/164garage.html

― martin (martin), Saturday, 7 August 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Wley wants to work with Alanis and other worrying quotes. The article also mentions that Wiley has a record shop in the West End called Avalanche. Anyone heard of this? Address?

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 9 August 2004 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Avalanche is in the basement of Release The Groove I think, that's what Flowdan told me.

― martin (martin), Monday, 9 August 2004 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Wiley please don't start dancing.

Also I thought he came to the game with no girlfriend and he'll be leaving the game with no girlfriend.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 9 August 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

way! terror danjah on the radio

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 13 August 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i always found the basement of RTG a bit sub par, compared to uptown, fer instance. well, i guess it just seemed moe of a funky/deep house/us garage type place.

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 13 August 2004 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Some odd assumptions in thisarticle...

― JoB (JoB), Friday, 13 August 2004 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

what's odd in particular? it seems OTM...

― martin (martin), Sunday, 15 August 2004 00:09 (nineteen years ago) link

"there's a slightly uneasy patronage of this music by the music and style press." I'd guess its patronage is because of the music's grassroots freshness and new soundingness. Nothing uneasy to me about that.

"Most Guardian readers probably appreciate the fact that under the vocals there's usually a track as musically experimental and obtuse as anything in the pages of The Wire." I'll bet most Guardian readers have never read an issue of the Wire in their lives. Also, why wouldn't grime's core audience appreciate its musical experimentality and obtuseness?

"the coverage in the style mags seems to take an almost gleeful pleasure in tales of young deprived black kids beating the shit out of each other at dances." That is very cruel. I'd like to see an example of that. Almost = not quite, so this is a very cheap criticisement.

"(Most of the staff and readers would last about three minutes at a Sidewinder rave or an Eski dance.)" I have never been able to attend, but my good fellow Matt Woebotnik had and he reported no problems at Eski Dance (realting to his person's attendage), as a white, middle-class, 30-year-old (or therabouts). I'd wager the writer is projecting his own fears here.

"It's hard to shake the feeling that grime has been seized upon so enthusiastically by the struggling music industry simply because in a climate so unimaginatively retro it's at least trying to do something different." Yeah, is that supposed to be so bad?

"But whether or not you "like" the music - it'd be interesting to know how many of the Mercury Prize's judges ever stick on a bit of Dizzee when they get home - is irrelevant." As if the only way to "like" music is sticking it on after you get home from work.

"To be honest, if you're even reading this paper, you're probably too old and too nice for grime to produce a record that says much to you." I'm sure there are plenty of broadsheet readers who can get a lot of pleasure, excitement and lots besides out of a Wiley or Dizzee record. Maybe even people reading this thread.

― JoB (JoB), Sunday, 15 August 2004 09:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"To be honest, if you're even reading this paper, you're probably too old and too nice for grime to produce a record that says much to you."

This was the line in the article that really got me. If that's what he belives, why is he even writing the piece?

― Jason J, Sunday, 15 August 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Has anyone heard this Crazy T/DJ Vader mixtape???

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i heard the shola ama tunes have been signed to majors, so dont be looking for aftershock promos

quite like d-ee and footsie 'prang man', i find it a nice balance between terra grunge goofy dinosaur roar guitar and target's polite but beguiling outdated-telecommunications utopia thing, what u think

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

also in vice magazine those knobs list "d double - bare different colours remix", what's this!

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought you LIKED Vice!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

change your mind.

― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

(ok i really really will never feel in the mood to defend vice to the hilt cos i have no probs with bitchy humanism but i tht the grimewatch bit ws quite annoying for thinking itself so lordly badass for hyping the cool underground and calling ppl sellouts readily etc. generally vice doesnt do that stuff at all! thats usually more blogger territory ahem)

― prima fassy (mwah), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha

prang man is pretty decent

for me though, everything is about the essentials and davinche. forget the rest

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Track ID please. Very popular track, 1 year old at most. There's multiple MC's and there's a pained growl at the end of virtually every verse... anyone?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:31 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone? anyone?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 28 August 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link

errrrrr...D Double?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Saturday, 28 August 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmm, maybe. I might have to call you and sing it.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 28 August 2004 01:22 (nineteen years ago) link

the pained growl might be your stomach.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

eat eat you're nothing but skin and bones

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"diplo" from "hollertronix" did a grime rundown in this month's issue of fashionable birdcage liner "fader"

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

plus bonus killa cam intervier, so zemko should be well plzed hem hem

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 28 August 2004 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

did anyone watch 'rude girls' on ch. 2?

― cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Kano's "Ps & Qs"! Great bassy groove courtesy of Davinche, it reminds me of "What's Your Fantasy" actually. Silverdollarcircle half-right in that it needs a slightly better chorus but it's okay enough and the rapping is totally fabulous. All I wanna know is whether the Seefeel-ish intro on Cameo's current 1xtra show is actually part of it - Cameo rewound and then it seemed to start with an entirely different groove.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Wow this Cameo show is solid fire!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I love the frisky, multitonal bongo/percussion rolls in so many tracks at the moment - their "funky" liquidity overlays the de rigeur rigid grime beats without cancelling them out, so the tunes occupy both camps simultaneously. See the P Jam mix of Shystie's "Women's World".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

bongos are also a trademark of dubstep. see Skreamz, Kode 9, Loefah and Digital Mystikz. this way you can have momentum with the snares slow - without resorting to full on noizy breakbeats...

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Skwish Skwadz use bongos on some of their stuff

― DaRinsa (DaRinsa), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

"grime 2" - worse than the first?

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link

grime 2 is out and out dubstep: loefah, digital mystikz and kode 9.
not even nearly grime...

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link

SO STOP CALLING IT GRIME

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry

― jess (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

"bongos are also a trademark of dubstep. see Skreamz, Kode 9, Loefah and Digital Mystikz. this way you can have momentum with the snares slow - without resorting to full on noizy breakbeats..."

Yeah well of course but the effect is quite different. If anything the rhythms on such grime tracks remind me more of that earlier period where dubstep was still only just emerging out of more energetic bassy 2-step tunes and you had these crazy intricate chopped beats before proper dubstep's more torpid sophistication took over - think El-B's "Serious (Zed Bias Mix)".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"Serious" is a masterpiece, never fully felt the Zed mix of that one myself. El-B's mix of Zed's "Time Out" is another masterclass. Damn it's taken *years* to get those woodblocks out of my head...

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard the original "Serious" so I can't compare... and i lost the Zed Bias mix as well in a tragic hard drive accident two years ago. :-(

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

See the P Jam mix of Shystie's "Women's World"

Awesome, sounds like an overdriven bass guitar in there too!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:08 (nineteen years ago) link

oooooh, but that "Frontline" track doesn't sound exactly right. The rhythm is not working with the song part.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:13 (nineteen years ago) link

"you're messing with the New Cross slew boss"

― blimp, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

alot of organic instrument sounds in this. Roll Deep's "Flying Away" sounds like there's a whole band!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I have not listened to any grime in weeks! :(

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Check the current Cameo show adam!

"Flying Away" was great too!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Terror Danjah latest mix show

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/1xtra_aod.shtml?ukgmix

couple of interesting points. all the vocal tracks at the beginning - more evidence for grime going back towards the vocal/r&b side.

also L Man. his lyrical content, in the early part does that thing KRS One used to do, spitting random facts about slavery. nice subject matter but i never think it lyrically works, overwhelming listeners with random hystorical data...

thoughts?

( ps anyone know what the indian lick riddim that comes in at 01h:12m:40s ? )

― martin (martin), Monday, 6 September 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

L Man from NAA? I thought he was white.

― scg, Monday, 6 September 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

he is...

― martin (martin), Monday, 6 September 2004 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link

- Don’t get too lean or mash up or nuffink, or you won’t be thinking straight, and that’s when you can end up pressing a rotter.

― Barnaby (Barnaby), Monday, 6 September 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

just checked L Man - some of the best 1XTRA on air MCing I've heard

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 9 September 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

that Big Sikh (?) track "Yeah Yeah" is great too
anyone know who produced the riddim?

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 9 September 2004 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Roll Deep at Cargo (London) tomorrow night. come pay yer tenner and play the 'will they wont they turn up' game...!

― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 09:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck it, I'm in!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Shoreditch oh no

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

the link between Wiley and Ross Allen is facinating, it dates back to the Pay as U Go Days. but it's not as facinating as this fact: do you know who played keyboards on 'Champagne Dance?' ...

― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:44 (nineteen years ago) link

.... HERBERT!!!!

― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

:-O

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

headfuk innit...

― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i think the only way i could be more confused right now is if it was someone from blur or something

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a total UK culture cross-circuit that one.

(it also explains why Herbert was playing Igloo at Sonar last year )

― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't he recently drop a set of straight dancehall as well?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 10 September 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah out of Igloo or some wiley beat.

anyway if Roll Deep is to shoreditch for some it's the Sidewinder awards at Ocean next saturday. Biggle!

― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i heard a track on pirate radios that is a simple loop of some slayer/death metal material, it's quite cool, i think it was Bruzer and another guy shouting on top of it

anybody has a name for that?

― tron, Friday, 10 September 2004 12:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Big E.D. 'The Rush'

― martin (martin), Friday, 10 September 2004 13:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Track ID please. Very popular track, 1 year old at most. There's multiple MC's and there's a pained growl at the end of virtually every verse... anyone?
-- Spencer Chow (spencercho...), August 27th, 2004.

Could it be "Forward" by DJ Mondie? It kind of fits the description.

― Kno Dis, Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes! It's actually: DJ Mondie feat. Napa, Ribz, Shizzle & Flirta - "Pull Up That"

It's one of the first tracks on the Cameo 1xtra mix this week (I think Femme Fatale played it a long time ago).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

there is very little grime on radio at the moment, not sure why. DTI hitting harder plus big players off making LPs etc...

-- martin
update please, Martin

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 16 September 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

about what albums or radio?

― martin (martin), Friday, 17 September 2004 09:08 (nineteen years ago) link

ESSENTIALS

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:12 (nineteen years ago) link

...are on the up at the mo

― martin (martin), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:17 (nineteen years ago) link

"on the up"???

They are at the top!!!!!

fuck all the rest of em! all i need is essentials! Get over it!

http://www.independance-records.co.uk/nupaperchasepresentsbanner.gif

― ambrose (ambrose), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

the strongest thing about Essentials is DaVinChe.
Give me Trim or Wiley over a Danny Weed beat any day...

― martin (martin), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:26 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.xlrecordings.com/wiley/

Dunno if this has already been mentioned,but Wiley apparently has walked out of XM Recordings. Which is understandable as the record was under-promoted. Is that word? Whatever.

Medasyn, aka Gabriel Olegovitch – a young producer who has already remixed Christina Aguilera and Lil' Kim.

He's also worked with Dani Siciliano.

― jesus nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 17 September 2004 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i got channel u! braaap braap!
who got lord of the mics? the clash one?

― vandross, Friday, 17 September 2004 10:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I do!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 September 2004 12:22 (nineteen years ago) link

er, does anyone have a tracklist for the Creeper mixtape? does anyone other than me even like the Creeper mixtape?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

.........#

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 17 September 2004 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

uhh... what?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 17 September 2004 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

So did anyone else put their money where their blog is and make it to the Sidewinder awards in Hackney...?

― martin (martin), Sunday, 19 September 2004 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i would have, but the jet was in for repairs this weekend

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 19 September 2004 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i was gonna put a U.S. disclaimer on that question but i thought it would be bleedingly obvious...

PS no fighting at Sidewinder, fighting at Urban Music Seminar. so garage music "causes" violence does it? etc...

― martin (martin), Sunday, 19 September 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

check Terror Danjah's latest mixshow !!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/1xtra_aod.shtml?ukgmix
he hosts 1XTRA UKG M1X SHOW every other week
so future link may alternate weeks - current (of post) active is Friday night Sept 17th

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:53 (nineteen years ago) link

same link as Martin's above so either should work for Terror Danjah every other week (alternate week is 4/4 UKG ?)
some great new tracks to i.d. on the new one
seems 1XTRA don't post online tracklisting for the mix show - fortunately they announce em on air

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm weirdly fond of bruza lately. propa essex wideboy

― candour floss (mwah), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i was suprised to see at the sidewinder awards he was black. for some reason i figured the 'cheeky cockney' was white. not that it makes any difference but it was just a surprise.

― martin (martin), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

really feeling Footsie & D Double E - "Prang Man"
team of the year!

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Footsie, D Double, Trim and Scratchy on a Karnage set: Sidewinder was fun...

― martin (martin), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

so lethal b forward riddim got signed to relentless! chart action ahoy, i'm a bit surprised

― candour floss (mwah), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

The pained growl (as in "Pull Up That" and other tracks I've been hearing) is the UK equivalent of Lil' Jon's "yeah!" interjections.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

banned in Essex! too hype!
http://www.rwdmag.com/music_articles/news/16262/forward_riddim_banned/

― Paul (scifisoul), Monday, 20 September 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha! I was just about to post that.

"Essex"

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Kano's major label debut.

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Warner, weird.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

679 Recordings, see also: The Streets.

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 20 September 2004 20:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Cool, "Ps & Qs" is a great track. He still definitely has to release "Boys Luv Girls" though!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 20 September 2004 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link

it will get a re-release in some format, i'm fairly confident...

― martin (martin), Monday, 20 September 2004 22:51 (nineteen years ago) link

So did anyone else put their money where their blog is and make it to the Sidewinder awards in Hackney...?
-- martin (martin_clark...), September 19th, 2004.

i heard there was about 8 people there.

rhythm divison has sold out of lord of the mics. is heat in the street 2 worth it?

― luka, Tuesday, 21 September 2004 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm waiting for Heat In The Street 2 and the Crazy Titch tape to get sent over here via my parents' house.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Sidewinder was about 3/4 full by 2am. loads of tickets got lost in the post aparantly.

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone else feeling TremorefireDubz - "My Boo" ?
with this and Babycakes it's practically a full on fluffy 2-step revival
break out those handbags:
"if your game is on give me a call Boo"

― Paul (scifisoul), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been looking for that for a couple weeks - although the original is sort of proto-2-step anyway (Along with Bone Thugs "It's All Good").

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Gemma Fox - "Paris Hilton Riddim" anyone?

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 26 September 2004 16:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Who heard D Double/Triple Threat - "Hard like Nipple"?

And why aren't more people talking about Lord of the Mic??? It's REALLY good!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Sunday, 26 September 2004 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Gemma Fox - "Gone (Delinquent mix)" is *classic* 2-step revival!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 27 September 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

omg omg the riff on "The Rush" is the Deftones' "My Own Summer (Shove It)" which is like my favourite metal song ever omg omg

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 27 September 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha! I love that Deftones song but I am still not feeling The Rush!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 September 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

the rush is ok, i think, but nothing special. unlike the deftones.

― toby (tsg20), Monday, 27 September 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you think if I kill someone and blame it on Forward Riddim that I won't go to jail because it's totally validated?

SHOOT IT, TOMMY GUN, SHOOT IT, MACK-11, SHOOT IT

Has anyone been in a Forward Riddim riot yet? This whole banning thing reminds me of "Never Scared" before it blew up on the tele.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 27 September 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

And why aren't more people talking about Lord of the Mic??? It's REALLY good!

I dled this a while ago and agree, but i have nothing to say about it cause i'm not enough of a grime nerd (sadly).

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Say how much you like DESTRUCTION w/WIley, Kano, D Double and Doogz!

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 September 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Is that "Destruction" as in Jammer's "Destruction" or a new tune?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link

No, the Jammer beat, with all of those MCs spitting straight FIRE over the top of it.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 September 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

the 'shoot it' verse isn't in the video incidently. i'm going to get lord of the mics but it's not in stock yet. i've seen bits and pieces and it looks very entertaining. anyone want to give us a rundown of the highlights
eg-discarder gets merked and gets all huffy and aggressive about it, stealing his rivals baseball cap and hurling off the towerblock balcony.

― .., Tuesday, 28 September 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link

highlights of lord of the mic:

- the lethal b wiley diss over 'cant get you out of my head' maybe this is old but ive not heard it before.

- the lady fury track

- ESSENTIALS duh

er cant really remember
i sat down and listened to it all then wrote things down about each track. but then when i was writing it on the computer blogger fucked it and i couldnt be fucked. i'll have anopther listen tonight

but why was no one excited when i talked about it a couple of months ago?! seemed like everyone was hating on it then!

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 28 September 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked it, ambrose!

I got some good stuff in the post today, Heat In The Street 2, and the Crazy T/Vader/Mr Wong mixtape, which is straight garage and fucking brilliant on first listen!

Oh, and also Uptown threw in a Paperchase thing called Street Anthems which looks really good, nice roundup of all the good Essentials/Davinche/Terra Danjah stuuf, inc. So Contagious and Gone.

― The Bitter Tears Of Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Saturday, 2 October 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry if this is old news to everyone, please just flatter this dilettante expat, ok? ta.

― The Bitter Tears Of Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Saturday, 2 October 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link

someone hit me up, please!

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not like I owe you something.

― The Bitter Tears Of Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

love isn't just something.

― cºzen (Cozen), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, I have listened to the Crazy Titch tape three times in a row. I don't think I've done that with anything else this year, except for maybe Wiley and Morgan Geist. Does that make it good?

I think that it easily matches the N.A.S.T.Y. mix, although I guesses it kind of lacks the shock of the new that N.A.S.T.Y. had for me when I first heard it. But still...

xpost haha, it isn't?

― The Bitter Tears Of Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

are you sharing it?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 2 October 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link

top of my shared folder, now ALL in mp3! heh...

― The Bitter Tears Of Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Saturday, 2 October 2004 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

a friend of mine thinks grime beats are like post-garage production. im not sure how possible that is since garage is still going.

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 3 October 2004 12:04 (nineteen years ago) link

can someone explain the fuss about davinche and paperchase? is it perhaps that they r heroically mediocre?

the dizzee/doogz tune is boring. i have thought this of much grime i have heard since 'stand up tall' was released, including the rest of dizz's lp, i am coming to admit. except ruff sqwad's 'anna' and 'move to this'; do you all agree with the widow twanky blogs that have bemoaned the ruff sound qwality and mired lyrics? these songs are intensely perfectly great and i shouldnt be the first one to say so.

― candour floss (mwah), Sunday, 3 October 2004 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"Anna" is brilliant, but I've only heard an instrumental version. The rhythm programming alone is stunning though. Don't all the blogs love Ruff Sqwad though?

I disagree re Davinche though, I reckon he's a really good producer (do you still hate Terra Danjah candour?)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 3 October 2004 13:14 (nineteen years ago) link

(oh i didnt mean solo t stryder's 'move', i forgot about that, it was thinking of a different one)

― candour floss (mwah), Sunday, 3 October 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

woebot and shoelaces complained about anna's mastering. i smashed my head with my keyboard.

davinche has nice chops, and a tidy sensibility. but i find it of little consequence. if he was a uk hiphop producer i'd give him a pat on the back.

i already said i liked the grimette td stuff! has he had any new riddimic ones? because it was cock back and the sort that i wasn't so into. terra will let you all down very soon though

― candour floss (mwah), Sunday, 3 October 2004 13:27 (nineteen years ago) link

(man some of the newer dubs i heard on woebot's ruff sqwad stream, ones beginning to use anguish vocal samples, even i would darkly say: blimey it's the continuum)

― candour floss (mwah), Sunday, 3 October 2004 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah I thought you'd already changed your mind on td I just couldn't remember for sure.

My version of "Anna" sounds fine, though 'cos it's all grainy mp3s for me I'd hardly know the difference anyway. Whenever I hear Ruff Sqwad tracks as instrumentals I find it difficult to imagine rapping on them cos they're so dense and multilayered ("Anna" is like a six part round!), but then later on I do hear vocals on the tracks and it makes perfect sense.

"davinche has nice chops, and a tidy sensibility. but i find it of little consequence. if he was a uk hiphop producer i'd give him a pat on the back."

I sort of get where you're coming from here in that he's very much a producer producer rather than a sonic artiste, but I don't know if that's such a bad thing. Stuff like "Ps & Qs" or Wiley's "Baby" or "Leave Me Alone" or "Grimey" work really well as foundations for great rap/pop tracks. He's like the K Warren of grime maybe. Or... no... No I'm struggling to think of a 2-step parallel right now that really fits. But yeah I'm love "Ps & Qs" at the moment, it's like generic grime that makes generic grime seem like a brilliant thing, like those second tier Neptunes tracks that are actually secretly first tier (lotsa Clipse stuff obv).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 3 October 2004 13:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I loved his "What I Found In You" with Kele Le Roc as well although I haven't heard it in an age.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 3 October 2004 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

kano's recorded a self-produced tune with live rock guitar on his new album. i'm not *quite* sure about it myself, but the other stuff i heard in the studio sounded ace: sumptuous flutter-pop grime that rides on confidence where dizzee rides on paranoia. apparently "what have you done" won't be on the album, but "boys luv girls" will.

― Chris Houghton (chrish), Sunday, 3 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

OK here's some news I've wanted to add to this thread for months.

The first major label-backed grime compilation, called "Run The Road" has just been completed. It's a snapshot of this scene in 2004, taking in past classics and future hits.

It's coming out on 679 Recordings (home to Kano and The Streets) on November 15th and was A&Red by 679 and myself.

Here's the tracklisting:

1. Terror Danjah feat. Hyper, Bruza, D Double E and Hyper 'c*ck Back V1.2'
2. Riko and Target 'Chosen One'
3. Roll Deep 'Let It Out'
4. Kano 'Ps and Qs'
5. Jammer feat. Wiley, D Double E, Kano and Goodz 'Destruction VIP'
6. Dizzee Rascal ft D Double E 'Give U More'
7. No Lay 'Unorthadox Daughter'
8. Shystie feat. Ronnie Redz, Kano and Bruza 'One Wish' Terror Danjah Remix
9. Goodz 'Gimmie Dat'
10. Demon feat. Bruza and Big-E-D 'Da Rush'
11. Tinchy Stryder 'Move'
12. Lady Sovereign 'Cha Ching (Cheque 1, 2 Remix)'
13. Ears 'Happy Dayz'
14. The Streets feat. Kano, Donae'o, Lady Sovereign and Tinchy Stryder 'Fit But You Know It'
15. Wonder feat. Plan B 'Cap Back'
16. Kano feat. Demon and Wiley 'Mic Fight'

― martin (martin), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Congrats Martin, from the 2/3rds of that I know it looks like an excellent selection.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Anybody got time for that Mondie and Crazy Titch tune? I'm loving it myself, on constant repeat...

xpost - purely coincidence that Kano's on a third of the tracks, right?

;)

― Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Martin that looks great.

― Tous Les Garcons S'Appellent Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

thanks tim and adam, v v glad you like the spec.

― martin (martin), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Roll Deep: Poltergeist Relay.

How old is this?

― Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

been on vinyl about a month

― martin (martin), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay! That looks fantastic!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

big up martin.

― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

hey martin, dyou happen to know if it's the regular 679 PR person handling press for your comp? I'd love to get hold of a copy for review purposes.

― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 4 October 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link

email me mr splooge...

― martin (martin), Monday, 4 October 2004 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

looks like shystie has been shifted from polydor... not sure why though. i like the idea of her going indie as the album wasnt nearly grime enough to my ears.

― splooge (thesplooge), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

TNT ft. J2K & Crazy Titch - Stop

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 4 October 2004 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Why? Because of that amazing call-and-response chorus between Crazy and J2K, and for that awesome section where the fidgety 8-bar beat suddenly goes into 4/4 pounding to build up to the final chorus.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 4 October 2004 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

you seen this on vinyl or MP3?

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Ha ha NO. Martin I live in a grime desert. But 1xtra is my friend.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

1Xtra is my friend too. :)

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 11:54 (nineteen years ago) link

What happened to Skepta?

― Tous Les Garcons S'Appellent Little Lord Travolta (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:23 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah he has gone real quiet recently. that's grime for you. don't release a record for two months and you're no long a topboy. all about Da VinChe and Terror right now, but will they still be big by Christmas? Dubplate culture is relentless..

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

i missed that talent quest thing with fatman scoop but my mate said it had lady fury and crazy titch and all sorts of people on there competing. anyone see that? i heard crazy titch on westwood too. westwood played silly arsehole.

― ...., Tuesday, 5 October 2004 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

westwood played crazy titch? excellent!

that talent quest thing was a bit of a joke. basically, its a case of if youre pretty and female (and look white), scoop will see you now.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 09:11 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah westwoods got a huge audience so its good to see him getting behind those boys. people laugh at westwood and for good reason but he's got his ear to the street, he very rarely slips up. he (astutely) never got behind worthy brit-rap like the brotherhood but hes had wiley, dizzee and titch all up in the studio. just like how he never really backed rawkus/fondle 'em etc etc.

― ..., Thursday, 7 October 2004 17:44 (nineteen years ago) link

TRIM TALIBAN IS THE FUCKING SHIZZLE

ALSO,HUSH UP ABOUT WESTWOOD HE IS THE DON

― TH, Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

that he never got behind rawkus and fondle em is a bit of a shame actually.

the idea that he never slips up is slightly laughable though.

― splooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

supposedly crazy titch has dissed dizzee over terror squad's lean back beat.... not heard it though.

― splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 22:39 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.rwdmag.com/music_articles/features/11336/lord_of_the_beats/

― adam. (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

SUCK OUT

― 2-tekz, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

NICE, but I like Flo Dan. Does that make me an indie kid?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i think only indie kids can really think marga man is good or deserved a place on dizzee's or anyones album.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Marga Man alright.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

He is a foil, a counterpoint.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link

he is a fool! never mind him being a counterpoint. that voice is just horrid. he should replace someone in big brovaz.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

R.U.F.F.!!!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Where's Shark Major nowadays?

― Seth, Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm scared of any of them/not some of them/not none of them/not one of them/the boogey man...

― martin (martin), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:27 (nineteen years ago) link

also suprisingly B-Live has made a move in grime. check the audio vocal of Wiley's Fire Hydrant that Cameo has been playing on 1Xtra...

― martin (martin), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

fire hydrant is incredible.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

ohmydayz did anyone else in London hear roll deep back on rinse last night?

karnage, wiley, stratchy, trim. wiley was so happy! joking, taking the pee. scratchy rhyming about dinosaurs. trim's rhymes are getting so observant too. karnage playing so many dubs, so much warm yet innovative vocal stuff.

― martin (martin), Friday, 15 October 2004 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

no i bloody missed it! you didnt tape it by any chance did you martin clark?!?! ;)

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 15 October 2004 09:18 (nineteen years ago) link

i did minidisc it, as it happens :)
but i dont know an easy way to convert it into other formats. minidisc->Logic Audio->CD is looooong

― martin (martin), Friday, 15 October 2004 09:42 (nineteen years ago) link

i know we dont know each other but if there's any way you could copy it onto a minidisc or something, i would be hugely appreciative. i would trade something with you to make it fair, of course. whaddya say?

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 15 October 2004 09:52 (nineteen years ago) link

erm i hear your plea but i think you'd need to by me a new hard drive as an hour of audio is more memory than i have space..

― martin (martin), Friday, 15 October 2004 10:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought you had it on MD. didnt think that was too hard to copy. but not to worry, ill try and get it another way.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 15 October 2004 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

ok, so... this track:

Ruff Sqwad - "R.U.F.F."

or possibly

Ruff Squad - "R U Double F"

or some variation of those

is one of my top ten singles of the year! Paul Scifisoul hooked me up with it, but I need a higher quality or real copy, preferably with an instrumental too. The synth line is INSANE!!! I *love* it!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

and a vinyl for me please... ! )

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 16 October 2004 04:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer, "R.U.F.F." is about a year and a half old. I talked about it here. I wrote about it at the bottom of this post.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 16 October 2004 05:29 (nineteen years ago) link

It was my favourite grime track of last year though so you've got good taste!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 16 October 2004 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"R.U.F.F." is about a year and a half old.

Wow! I haven't been able to find the vinyl on the web so I just assumed it was new. That melody is really amazing - does it come from something else? It's exotic in an east-Asian way.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Spencer, it was Tim's championing of it that led to me downloading and including on that Grime comp. never seen the vinyl for sale.

anyone ever put together a Ruff Sqwad comp? if so, tracklist please?

― Paul (scifisoul), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

tings in boots
r.u.f.f
raw 2 da core
everything down
pied piper (u pick a
pied piper skepta rmx (instr)
anna
tinchy - screwface http://www.rwdmag.com/music_player/?id=521
lethal injection (instr)
root (instr)
misty cold (instr)
ur love feels (instr)

off the top of the dome. i left off 'move' and the offical rmxs cos they suck, put on tinchy on icerink if u want. obv mirc, dc++ and radio spods might be better equipped 4 this

― candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link

(u pick a vocal) i mean. also i think theres another ok riddim on the back of one of 'move' or 'ur love' but i wasnt overly wow about it

spencer will also like j-sweet/sarah j/d double - burning up form cameo's last show

― candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

"These Days", it's the best Rapid misty cold ice palace riddim and no one ever reps for it. Plus amazing lyrics.

― 2tekz, Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:15 (nineteen years ago) link

It's kind of like on Zelda when you step in front of the icy cold breath dragon thing and turn into a big block of ice.

HEY DOES ANYONE REMEMBER DANNY WEED? HIS OLD STUFF IS STILL REALLY THE BEST MUSIC EVER MADE.

― 2tekz, Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

ahhh yeah my bad. it's no way the best tho! oh hey is 'these days' is the vocal of root? it sounds familiar but my room is way too messy to check

― candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

*Listening now to the Cameo show* It's a good track, but the "soul" in the vocal is maybe a little too 'earnest'? That Cage track that kicks it off is really great - although he does a couple annoying lyric shoe-horns that I'm not so into. I hope there's a dub. The Delinquent track is interesting as it's almost a Craig David 2-step throwback.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link

: 0

― candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:37 (nineteen years ago) link

i feel like i've been claiming the collipark slow jamz is better than the og!

― candour floss (mwah), Saturday, 16 October 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i have the new album from some midlands crew called class a, whos album is called life of grime. cant say its too hot though.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Saturday, 16 October 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

well theres a new sort of in depth feature on grime in the new issue of mojo magazine, using dizzee as one of the main focuses. its a cool enough piece, not really saying all that much really that we havent heard before, or any new insights as such, but its cool enough to see it in mojo (even if their review of showtime was eloquent yet completely vague and content-less).

― DVD (dickvandyke), Saturday, 16 October 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i have a few quick q's as its almost the end of the year:

how do people in the scene compare 2004 to 2003? better/worse/different in what way?

have there been any minor/major general changes in the music/scene?

is the scene in danger of becoming too hip hoppy or MC-based?

― DVD (dickvandyke), Saturday, 16 October 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

is the scene in danger of becoming too hip hoppy or MC-based?

I'd say that happened in 2001.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 16 October 2004 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

POX Grime in 2004 please

― Deitrich Neinster, Saturday, 16 October 2004 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

"Spencer, "R.U.F.F." is about a year and a half old. I talked about it here. I wrote about it at the bottom of this post."

Not that it matters now, but when I wrote this I intended to use the second sentence to link to my post and then wrote the third by mistake. Just in case Spencer thought I was getting snitchy about him not being on the ball (and credit where credit's due, it was Luka who got me onto that track).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 17 October 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"i feel like i've been claiming the collipark slow jamz is better than the og! "

You feel correct and vindictated?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 17 October 2004 01:32 (nineteen years ago) link

HEY I HAVE SOME GRIME MP3S AM I COOL

― 2TEKZ, Sunday, 17 October 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

What the, is Skepta spitting now or has Jim Jones got an English accent?

― 2tekz, Sunday, 17 October 2004 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Just in case Spencer thought I was getting snitchy about him not being on the ball

Not at all! And I like the "shivery oscillator synth" description. Actually with grime, I always feel like release dates etc are a little, uh, murky. I'm never sure if I'm way ahead or way behind on any particular track.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 17 October 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey Martin, what's going on with Deuce? I'd like to subscribe but they only seem to have put out about three issues in the last year or so. And I can't ever find it in any shops - is it only distributed in London?

― Jason J, Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:07 (nineteen years ago) link

www.deucemag.com

or co.uk

rolldeep are on rinse fm right now.....

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

......... and they are MCing over some GREAT dubs, which would be greater if i knew what they were. n/m.

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish someone released an album of radio shows like this. sometimes i think they capture the energy of what grime is all about better than the actual proper songs.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Sunday, 17 October 2004 22:54 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG, wiley sounds so ill over this beat dizzee used on showtime (i think its the hype talk beat, cant remember the name, ive heard kano kill it too).

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I looked on the Deuce site... it's kind of sparse, though, and there's only been three issues since the N.A.S.T.Y one I have (dated July 2003). I'd like to subscribe but it seems a bit sketchy for a so-called bi-monthly, that's all.

Class A are from Leicester, they put out a couple of 12"s on Platinum Projects (XL imprint) early last year. They were using Playstation back then but I don't think they are anymore.

― Jason J, Sunday, 17 October 2004 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

deuce had a lot of back issues on the site last time i looked. 3.50 per issue though.

class a, to *me* at least, from the first few tracks of their album i heard, dont sound all that much like the grime stuff coming out of london right now. they seem to remind me more of early proto-grime and stuff like that. only heard a few songs though, which i skipped through cos it didnt do much for me. bit odd how XL didnt want wiley but want these guys.

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 17 October 2004 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

B-Live's "Merkers" might have some older sonic tricks in the beat that Wiley has flipped before, but the raps are serious. Dude comes off on the flow tip. I hear it's blowing up pretty big on the streets too, so that's cool.

Other track I'm feeling, "No Help, No Handouts" by Unorthodox. A killer female emcee and a couple dudes over some dark Castlevania ambience, it's a winning combination. Big tune.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Monday, 18 October 2004 00:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Deuce is due to relaunch this year, with the mighty chantelle fiddy as editor.

back issues are worth chasing, esp the one with the Jammer mix CD. 20-30 tracks mixed; they still sound fresh.

the Run the Road comp has a new track from Unorthadox's Nolay (the killer female emcee, mentioned above). look out for that this nov.

also re Danny Weed, he produced the Roll Deep track on Run the Road. it features this chicago-house-esque piano loop plus trim, wiley n co. mmm...

― martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 09:46 (nineteen years ago) link

was it an i-d editorial slip up that saw fiddy write a piece on 'dutty goodz'??

― candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:05 (nineteen years ago) link

oh wait there he is on the 679 comp. what's going on?

― candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

he's changed his name, thats all. there's a new song doing the rounds with doogz/goodz that's with dizzee - 'stretch' thats im really into at the moment. it might be an old one though, not sure.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 10:25 (nineteen years ago) link

the dizzee/goodz tune is old, but he has changed his name recently because he felt mainstream people couldnt pronounce Doogz...

― martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:23 (nineteen years ago) link

odd reason.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

haha maybe cos westwood called him "dirty dogs"

― candour floss (mwah), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:38 (nineteen years ago) link

westwood cant pronounce much though. he gets flummoxed when saying 'talib kweli'. plus, he says lots of words in odd ways. doogz should have said 'its like er, dirty *moogs*, but doogz'.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:42 (nineteen years ago) link

For anyone who is interested, we are putting on Lady Sovereign this Thursday (Glasgow), Friday (Edinburgh) and Saturday (Dundee). I would go into more detail but hate the idea of being a spammer, so just email me.

― ___ (___), Monday, 18 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

is crazy titch supporting, as he was with Sov n D12?

― martin (martin), Monday, 18 October 2004 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I think Roll Deep's Flying Away is absolutely amazingly lovely, lovely vocals, wicked lead guitar, and obviously excellent lyrics from R.D.
Also, 'you can meet me I'll be round candy'.
DEE and Footsie on Tubby's show the other night - his Braindead mix of Big ED's Frontline has the horibblist sub-bass I've heard since LFO.
B-Live merks that Fire Hydrant riddim. He's also got a good track out produced by Skandalouz Unlimited - something about 'Dogs' I think.
Ruff Sqwad, 'Ur Love Feels' - they are KILLING IT. Guns'n'Roses mixtape I literally cannot wait for - may have to track them down and pilfer it from there computer. "When it's on, when it's real, stand up tall, like Dill" - merkers!
DVD I have that Wiley/Trim/Scratchy set, e-mail me and i'll try and sort it out.

― thsmrtlsnd, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

"B-Live merks"

this phrase sounds totally weird to me. granted i've not heard this, but every other time ive heard b-live, he has appeared to be the worst mc ever. like, thanks for rendering cd1 of 'street beats' unlistenable dude! granted, its mostly about his shocking 'american' accent, but maybe hes dropped that.

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link

b-live on fire hydrant = MURKERY!

as far as random grime observations, can i say its odd how no one on ILX except a few people that seem to get shot down think dizzee has somewhat strayed from grime. or perhaps he hasnt, hes just redefining it. or perhaps that last sentence is an easy way to avoid admitting that hes gone a bit pop (or 'slick') on the new album. i was perusing the boards of rwdmag and 1xtra and some signs of dissension are about (predictably!).

― DVD (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

A fair amount of the lyrics on Showtime are things I'd heard before on pirate, so in that sense I feel he's still grime. Personally I love the production on the new LP, it may be slicker but if you listen a lot of grime instrumentals then compared to a year or so ago they invariably sound slicker. 'Trapped', although not on the album, is as grime as you could get. I also like the idea of some more cuts in the scene sounding like 'Everywhere', very slightly slower tempo but also half-time feel - and that bass! It could be a good look.

― thsmrtlsnd, Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck all this sub-Reynolds shit... Who heard ALPHA OMEGA on deja last night? They're this African/Italian/Turkish/Asian rap crew from North ends on Dice Recordings, they all have throwback grimy mid-90's Queensbridge style flows, like AZ, CNN & all them, really nice thoughtful lyrics, and they sound nothing like Dipset. Check Govt Names soon for an exclusive write up.

― SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

didnt hear it. but im starting to get less impressed about the state of grime MC-ing.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

this might be cos ive overplayed that run the road comp and think grime MCs arent as good at making songs as they are at just rhyming over dubs.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

this might be cos ive overplayed that run the road comp and think grime MCs arent as good at making songs as they are at just rhyming over dubs.

this is my theory. grime just doesnt sound good on individual tracks/albums as bits of radio shows/raves. they shoudl release a "best of de ja" or something. that would be better than all these mixtapes.

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I totally disagree on this. There's been plenty of "songs" with proper choruses and shit since like 2002 that outweigh the Lord Of The Decks style freestyles and vocal dubs. A best of deja would be amazing still. DVD, you're always banging on about the poor state of garage mcing but what MCs are you talking about exactly, just out of interest? Or what mcs do you think are good lyricists?

― SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

But yeah i guess the mixtape thing is a bit pointless if you have radio access and are prepared to wade through all the funky house every station seems to be playin these days.

― SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:00 (nineteen years ago) link

ambrose OTM. I listen to Ruff Sqwad and Roll Deep radio sessions far more than I do yer Lord of the Decks or Boy In Da Cornerses. Having said that - LOTD3! Coming soon!

The only grime MC that I can take over straight hip hop is J2k. Heat In The Streets 2 is really quite good for this! Actually, maybe J2K is just a UKHH MC clinging to the COATTAILS of grime....

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:03 (nineteen years ago) link

But Adam, Kano over "What We Do"!!!!

― SE15, Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

To my shame, I still haven't heard that. Anyone sharing it?

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Or gmailing it????

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

some MCs i think are good off the top of my head are dizzee, wiley, roll deep, kano, d double e, dirty doogz (on a good day).....

that said, i liked most of lord of the decks 2, thought it was great, and a lot more vital sounding than run the road. im sorry to keep harping on about RTR, but im just a little bit let down by it, thats all.

the thing is though, i liked kano a lot on boys luv girls, and part of that was because he was rhyming all around the beat, and the beat was doing weird things, rather than sticking to one pattern for the whole song like on ps and qs. i like the latter song a lot, but its a bit underwhelming after hearing him on stuff like ice rink or the NASTY crew freestyles ive got. part of this i think is that when it comes to making proper grime songs these days, it seems that theyre making the beats more spacious and easier to rhyme over, which in my view, is taking away from one of the best things about grime, the amazing headfucking beats. i mean, yeah i like fwd riddim, but the rapping on there is pretty shit, sad to say. grime MCs are amazing at riding a rhythm and darting in and out of the beat, and all over the place but theyre not that hot at combining that with writing songs. when it comes to that, they seem to try and make it simpler or something (and this is where their lack of depth comes into harsh focus).... or maybe thats just the vibe in the scene at the moment, theyre all so desperate to blow, that theyre trying to make it less 'noisy'. fuck that though, the noise is whats so good about grime.

i mean, even on the slow hip hop tempo tracks on showtime, dizzee is racing around the beat, still.

again, i should say this might just be my own bias towards extremity and a dislike for middle of the road-ness. then again, i think wileys album was severely underrated and that wasnt extreme as such, the beats were still animated and ultra-syncopated.

hope this doesnt read like a incoherent blog!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

radio mixes are definitely better than vocal tracks and mixtapes. Grime crews should be releasing mixes like The Nasty Show, not mixtapes!

― Keith McD, Friday, 22 October 2004 04:36 (nineteen years ago) link

word to keith mcd!

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

DVD: all you seem to be saying over and over for about two weeks is, try as you might, in general you don't like grime MCs. why don't you just stop trying? no one is making you like them!

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

hahaha, i know, its quite amazing isnt it?! ive been blabbing on about the same ol shit post after post! its just that i think ive become sort of a grime obsessive, picking up everything i can, hearing everything possible, reading about it, etc etc. im trying to get into the genre really a lot. ive just been dissapointed with some of the stuff ive heard, thats all. i should probably post more about the stuff i have really liked, like that new b-live thing, the wonder and kano, the sticky 12, trapped, even the creeper mixtape. i will say that grime is a lot more diverse than i first thought, and its usually best when its a hybrid rather than sticking to one of the influences in that hybrid. i wouldnt say i dislike grime MCs, i like wiley, kano, dizzee, roll deep, d double e, a like lots of people. but its like every scene isnt it, not everyone is going to be brilliant.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"Actually, maybe J2K is just a UKHH MC clinging to the COATTAILS of grime.... "

OTM.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

OK cool. you should try dubstep if you like mad beats but want a change from MCing tho...

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link

DVD have you heard The Nasty Show? It was this amazing radio mix that the Nasty Crew did early last year, was supposed to be released but I'm not sure whether that ever happened. I still think it's the greatest single thing to ever come out of grime; from your recent posts I think you'd adore it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:16 (nineteen years ago) link

it was never to be released, it was just done (before Jammer & D double E left) by Soul 2 Streets and NASTY to generate some hype. it also predated the whole US-style mixtape fashion...

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:29 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont necesarily want mad beats, i mean, i didnt think the beats on the wiley album were that mad per se, but they seemed more inventive, for lack of a better word. more energtic, like he was forced to adapt to the frenetic beats, rather than a case of him wondering how MCing might fit on top while making them. but thank for the tips, guys. will hopefully stumble on the nasty show somewhere.

― DVD (dickvandyke), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:35 (nineteen years ago) link

"it was never to be released"

Actually Martin I don't know how true this is but I read on RWD or somewhere late last year that they were going to belatedly release a CD of it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:40 (nineteen years ago) link

you can't release a CD like that without licencing all the tracks, paying the MCs, the DJs, promoting it, signing contracts blah blah blah. trust me, i spoke to the guy who organised it at the time, and the intent then was to create a promo thing just to generate hype around NASTY...

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:50 (nineteen years ago) link

... unless you just do a specialist road/bootleg ting like the Aim High/Creaper etc mixtapes do. but Soul 2 Streets wouldn't be silly enough to put it in HMV without doing it legit, i'm sure.

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

i read in deuce that it was going to be released as a cd :-)

does this mean that people have a better-quality copy of it than that shitty 32kbps or whatever real audio thing that i've got?

― toby (tsg20), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:05 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.coastaltown.nildram.co.uk/porl/Skwish%20Skwadz%20-%20Our%20Way%20of%20Life.mp3

― Gribowitz (Lynskey), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:10 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah it was available as a promo CD.
dont believe what you read in deuce, i made it all up :)

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

btw the Logan Sama free mix CD is in Uptown right now. the end of it goes beef tastic, including Wiley's full take on how Dizzee got stabbed...

― martin (martin), Friday, 22 October 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

― adam. (nordicskilla), Friday, 22 October 2004 15:35 (nineteen years ago) link

my copy of lord of the mic finally arrived, and i have a couple of questions:

it seems like the order of lethal and wiley's diss tracks should be reversed, right? seem's like wileys "MY girls are young? what about YOUR girl?" is a response to the gary glitter comment...

aww, stryda's in his awkward phase. anyway shouldn't he be in school somewhere? is he? i don't care if he is a ninja. hit the books!

― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay so I've got this Rinse FM set of unknown origin. I think it's from about March maybe, it's got Crazy Titch, Taliban Trim, Flo Dan, Wiley, Tinchey Strider, Kano and a few others on it, and starts off with Davinche's "Leave Me Alone". Anyone know it?

Anyways apart from being insanely good as a whole, there's this awesome 8-bar in it which Flo Dan freestyles over - wedged between "Ground Zero" and the Wonder 8-bar Dizzee uses on "Respect Me". It's got this hyper-syncopated eastern groove, somewhere between Target and Zed Bias circa 01/02, but still really grime. A track ID would be most appreciated.

Also Flo Dan is quite good here, despite what Govt Names might say.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 13:29 (nineteen years ago) link

post up an MP3 of the track (not the whole set) and we can have a go at IDing the track...

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

DJ Glamma is playing old Jammer dubs from FIVE years ago on Rinse right now and they're grime!

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link

im givng up trying to listen to all the pirates all the time.....

― splooge (thesplooge), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Martin i have neither the teknology nor the server space. I'll try to work it out though.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 26 October 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

the remix to kano's ps and qs is great, better than the original in my humble opinion.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 09:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I think if we all resolved to upload every big tune we talked about here, I'd be able to hear this Ps and Qs remix and the world would be better for it. So help me help you to help me.

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Those Jammer dubs Glamma was playing are cool. He was using his duoble-orchestral string stabs even back then. The beats sound like he was trying to get a Wookie feel to them. The one made especially for Glamma with all the short synth pulses going off was mad. I'll try and get them up on here in RM soon.

― thsmrltlsnd, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link

what about an exclusively grime g-mail tree, no large files?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i get the feeling a lot of people like to keep their exclusives close to their heart and away from their file-sharing hard drives.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm in, Dave.

razorbladerunner@gmail.com

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 18:41 (nineteen years ago) link

the wiley answer back on the logan sama mixtape is wicked.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

inspired by all the comments and reminisces about john peel, i am going to try and get my tape of the peel session where he got eastwood and his mates to do a set, and at the end, said that he felt like he had been at the first elvis gig, or something, it was so amazing for him. its a good set too, about 90 mins long i guess. if you want it then i shoiuld be back on slsk sometime. its good just as a sort of reminder that even towards the end, peel was still making connections with new stuff, and still open minded.

― ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 30 October 2004 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

ambrose, if theres any way you could get that on slsk, i would be amazingly grateful.

― splooge (thesplooge), Saturday, 30 October 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

hmmm im gonna have to wait till next week when i get the internet, also, if i can find the tape!??! i found what i thought ws it the other night, but it cuts outi into all this (admittedly, could have been on peel) guitar zzzzz

― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 31 October 2004 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

oh god. i ve just heard Give U More and its wicked. didn't dizzee use the instrumental track "Hoe" released on white label in summer?
Forward Riddim is in my opinion quite dull. all the time expected that it ll unwind somehow. it really sounds very lo-fi. he probably made the track by clicking on Random button in Fruity Loops till it sounded cool. best grime track of the year? hardly.

― karl76 (karl76), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

fwd riddim is kinda shit, sad to say.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

it's pretty good.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Dizzee made the "wheel" riddim, early versions of which got bootlegged. this then became "give u more" after it got vocalled. he also made "Hoe" ages ago, which also has been bootlegged/refixed, many times.

― martin (martin), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

martin - you've heard the roll deep album yeah? do you know what the hell is going on with roll deep using the maisonettes' (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:16ke4jn70wav~T1) Heartache Avenue on the album? It's one of the strangest things i've heard to come out of grime. Is it going to be on the final record? I either love it or hate it. I'm still not sure despite listening to it on repeat for about 10 times.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

dunno if ambrose got it up or not but i have the eastwood peel set up on the seek

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link

whats your username myke?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 8 November 2004 21:58 (nineteen years ago) link

boomnoise!zoo

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Fwd Riddim is great! It's like a perkier, friendlier version of "Rat Race".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

dunno if ambrose got it up

i am stil lworking on it but realised that i dont even have all of it so maybe its not worth the bother. do you mind if i get it off you myke?

i am full of shit i guess.

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Myke: i have no idea what will be on the final Roll Deep LP, i' m guessing they dont either. they only just signed to Relentless and as it's not due out till late spring/summer i'm guessing they'll do a whole bunch of new tracks as well.

where did you get a copy of the track from? is it online?

― martin (martin), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i like grime a LOT (in spite of my slightly shit-stirring posts - i just do them to argue things over in my head) but i find it slightly strange that its leading champions have so little remotely critical to say about it. i mean, even the kids at rewind have a less adoring eye over it all.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 8 November 2004 23:02 (nineteen years ago) link

feel free ambrose et al.

martin: i have something which is pretending to be the roll deep album - i recognise a lot of the tracks but a few i don't. like the aforementioned.

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link

they only just signed to Relentless

What happened to the story that Roll Deep were with Island Records and an album was imminent?

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

For those not in the know:

http://www.chantellefiddy.blogspot.com/

Top stuff indeed

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Chantelle is so great.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

What do people reckon to "Boogeyman"?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

boogeyman is ok. the rapping seems a bit too lacksadacsical.

after checking that blog, chantelle is quite fit actually.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

erm...

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

its still appropriate for this post!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Boogey man is genius. comedy baroque-electro-grime. "i sleep in my hooded jim jams!"

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

For those who dont want to be in the know:

Blackdownsoundboy

― martin (martin), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Just got back from London and grabbed these grime and sub-lo 12"s at Uptown Records:

white label called "Invade" (really buzzy and dark)
one sided white label called "Thug Ho" (super awesome, very gappy and chopped)
and some Jon E. Cash 12"s on Black Ops:
"Evil" (like, evil, man), "Champagne Hoes" (killer hi pitched vocoder vox at end)

fun fun fun

― Drew Daniel, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Is "Thug Ho" the bootleg of Skepta's "Thuggish Ruggish" with Dizzee's "Ho"?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:41 (nineteen years ago) link

that unorthodox track 'no help no handouts' is in my blog and active for like four more days.

http://razorbladerunner.blogspot.com

yes i'm shameless

also, the god's gift white label cut over the mondie beat, is this shit super old? either way, it's fuckin pretty awesome. it's currently a road rage anthem. "i love grime and i love gore/ and i love puttin' blood all over the floor"

― Rollie Pemberton (Rollie Pemberton), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry for crashing your thread but Martin directed me back here and I couldn't leave without asking for your input... I'm looking to run some 'underground dance' top 5's/ comments in my end of year column for B&S so was wondering whether any of you would be up for submitting something. I'd also like to mention a few blogs worth checking out, I'm not to up on all this yet and haven't had the time to dedicate but I'm trying, honest guv!! If you're up for it please post them http://www.chantellefiddy.blogspot.com/ or drop me an email. Keep it gully! (One day I'm actually going to read the whole of this thread...)

― Chantelle Fiddy, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

just heard roll deep have signed a giant deal with relentless.

dunno what happened to lethal b's FWD riddim in the singles chart - i thought it was predicted to go top ten.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Monday, 22 November 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Wiley announced the deal last month at Fabric. FWD is now called POW and is out in January (when it doesnt take many sales to chart).

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:15 (nineteen years ago) link

didnt know he announced it last month - i just read about it at rwd.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 01:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i was pissed off when i heard they're waiting till january. the hype peaked ages ago. maybe they're wiser than me, i dunno.

that elliot ness got over a hundred missed calls for his special of that about 2 months ago. now he probably don't even get one. and still they want to wait? i dunno, it doesn't make sense to me.

practice hours is a good dvd to get though. you really feel for ruff squad on it. they're complaining about how everyone else makes one big tune and breaks through, they#'ve made 100 big tunes and no one likes them. i love them though and i know you do too.

great lethal b vs wiley footage. worth it just for the outfits. wiley has got some outfits.

― l......., Tuesday, 23 November 2004 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

ok so practice hours is out?

then what about these cds/dvds?

- run the road (yeah, ive seen the OMM review, when can i buy it?)
- risky roads (ad for this has been there for ages, but where is it?)

dotn know if i will ever buy any 12"'s again, think i might just stick to cds and mixtapes etc

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:32 (nineteen years ago) link

When is the Ruff Sqwad tape out??

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Run the Road is scheduled for January 24.

― JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Ruff Sqwad's full vocal version of Anna is BIG!
Also their track called 'Alright' has an excellent skit intro - apparently to be featured on their Album (distinct from mixtape I believe).

― thsmrtlsnd, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:03 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry but going from the OMM RTR review and his own books, simon reynolds doesnt really seem to like hip hop of any sort, so all the rhetoric about grime being the real uk hip hop is bollocks coming from him. he couldnt even quote the notorious big right in that OMM review - its not 'if you dont know, get to know', its 'if you dont know, now you know'.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

'POW' is fucking awesome. I've watched it over and over on Base.

― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

he couldnt even quote the notorious big right in that OMM review

Erm, Reynolds introduces the quote with to twist slightly the words...

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

oooooops. *slaps forehead*

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i think Run the Road will be out before Christmas in specialist garage shops...

― martin (martin), Thursday, 25 November 2004 10:24 (nineteen years ago) link

is the tracklisting still the same?

― splooge (thesplooge), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link

how does the person who says it make a differnce? near enough all the MCs say the same thing, but they like hiphop, so is it still bollocks when they say it?

i think its true. its mc based and it comes from this country.

alright-ruff squad
i second that motion.

― ...., Thursday, 25 November 2004 12:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Wiley - "Ice Cream Man" is hott.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

"i think Run the Road will be out before Christmas in specialist garage shops..."

:( Which is a nice way of saying "screw you USA".

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

rinse FM was hot last night. d double was on. i was taping it all but my tapes got fucked up so missed half of it which was quite dissapointing.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

There's already rumoured to be a couple of other major labels now looking to compile 'Now Grime' compilations (well something of that description)... but on road look out for, among others...
- DJ Target Aim High Vol. 2 (CD/DVD) December
- Practice Hours (DVD) Out now!
- Roll Deep Creeper Vol. 1 (CD/DVD) Out when Wiley sorts his life out
- Risky Roadz (DVD) Out next week
- Lord Of The Decks Vol. 3 (CD/DVD) January/February
- Lord Of The Mics Vol. 2 (CD/DVD) February/March
- Bumper Pack (DVD) December

Lots of big vinyl and video's soon come too

― Chantelle Fiddy, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:36 (nineteen years ago) link

half those cd/dvd releases have been advertised for years though. im starting to wonder if someone made the risky roads radio advert just for fun.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm despatching a mate of mine to rhythm division to pick stuff up for me before she comes out to singapore - what should I tell her to get? what's currently in the shops?

― Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 06:57 (nineteen years ago) link

chantelle - when is ruff sqwad's 'guns and roses' mixtape coming out?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 10:20 (nineteen years ago) link

"i think Run the Road will be out before Christmas in specialist garage shops..."
:( Which is a nice way of saying "screw you USA".

-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), November 30th, 2004

what, you too big to order from Rhythm division online?

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 10:59 (nineteen years ago) link

First copies of Risky Roadz will definitely be in next week, the master copy has already been switching hands, rapidly.

Aside from Practice Hours I'm unsure what else is in stock (depends on the day) but there are loads more mixtapes coming supposedly around xmas/new year - Jammer's Destruction, Terror Danjah's After Shock, Logan Sama 2, Bossman Street Anthems 2, Split Mics... Will find out from Tinchy but as far as I'm aware their CD also drops before xmas. Can't wait to hear their album, but my fave track (Statik and Tinchy Stryder, with a girl singing in it) they hate so know sure what's going to happen to that! I would recommend everyone investing in Creeper on it's release.

― chantelle Fiddy, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

all about the Target n Discarda track on Creeper Vol 1. and the Eskimo 3 freestyle... innit Chan!

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 11:47 (nineteen years ago) link

grime fights is the concept. its a dvd im making. its cage fights between some of the scenes biggest names.

i want to see a cage fight between discarda and the fat white hooligan from the southside allstars track. (i think its either niky s or nike) the one who spits his verse outside a pub surrounded by other fat scary white hooligans.

that would be brilliant.

i also want to see titch versus asher d, cos asher d gets on my nerves so i;ll put him in a cage with titch.

and riko versus jonny cash.

what other fights do people want me to get on my dvd

― l..., Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck Rolldeep. It's all about Shifty Ridahz - 1999! He tells the whole Ruff Skwad story over a mad Scholar guitar beat. Scholar said that if you call him or Rapid the other night they'd send out burned copies of Gunz n Roses.

What's that mental Essentials riddim that's like the south version of forward? Headquarters riddim I think, its big. Narsty's new tune is heavy still. What do people think of So What and Foreign Format from south? There should be a big piece forthcoming on govt names about south grime, keep your eyes peeled.

― mad sick head nah good, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:11 (nineteen years ago) link

xxxxpost, i dont know how people can dislike god's gift.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:43 (nineteen years ago) link

pray do tell. what is the difference between south and east grime?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Not much, but no one tends to write about it apart from Essentials and occasionally NAA. Same with West/North West ends. You might hear more about south crews soon though, a few MCs are jumping on the Neeko/Fire Camp beef bandwagon.

― madsickheadnahgood, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

until south gets its own identity and stops being a pale imitation of what east londons been doing i don't think its going to attract much attention.
paperchase does good things and as you say gets the credit for it.
that southside allstars tune is a good indication of why no one pays attention to the south, half the mcs are just pale imitations of already established names. or look at liberty trying to be d double.

northwest is funny. they've all got gimmicks. doneao, van damage, flirta d... i spose bashy is making a name but i don't rate him persoanlly. tottenahm is big though. well, i like meridian and total package anyway.

― l.., Tuesday, 30 November 2004 13:02 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah south mcs have funy gimmicks as well still, So What make weird noises, one guy makes like Mortal Kombat fatality noises and scary deep voices. Foreign Format is the best outside of Paperchase/Essentials/NAA, Ashman is with them, the main producer is called Kotti and he has some mad
Northern Europe sounding melodies, like that old/new Jammer track with the violins, he has one tune called "Lighter" or cliffhanger riddim i thuink that's like this gutter spanish guitar with budget fruityloops bass its like classical music or something, plus south has L Man who's getting better and better if not at times a bit too academic, going on about the battle of hastings and shit he's like the first decent grime punchline rapper.

― mad sick head nah good, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link

blungbizzle, you heard "Oi Oi Saveloy" yet?

SLK's sets on Raw UK are sounding full of energy, right up there with Ruff Sqwad's latest and WOAH - Rapid's new riddim is cantakerous! Uses a nize little 2-step beat with a five-note b-line and a freaky female vox-FX loop. Simple but incredibly efenctive.

North's big right now: Total Package, Meridian, OO Squad, Venom Crew, T.M.M, Gunja Fam/Rattle Pack, Combinations. Some nice producers too: Skepta, Marsta, General LOK, JME, Hindzy D, P Jam...

Also check out Squaden Man Dem on HEAT 96.6fm. One of their MCs is called J.A. and he's very talented. 8pm-10pm Thursdays.

Grime Pseudonym of the Month : Johnny Skeng

― thsmrtlsnd, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Can anyone get any grime on 90.0FM in north London?

it's nowt but house pirates for me.

north London wise i really rate JME from Meridian.

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"what, you too big to order from Rhythm division online?"

Are you trying to do a Dave Stelfox imitation? ;(

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry that should be ;)

I'll check there btw and if it's not insanely prohibitively expensive I will buy it, Martin.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link

There's a rumour circulating about JME joining Roll Deep, will try and confirm but know they've definitely drafted in some new members.

― chantelle Fiddy, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

North's big right now

good

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

oi oi saveloy! i don't know if you're taking the piss or not lee, just like the mysterious 'elvis riddim' you were talking about all that time ago.
i just got a tape of scoobee and kano though, from years back before kano joined NASTY.
beat that exclusive you north london scumbag!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrggggggghhh!!!!

(i got one with him and monkey too, old school)

― ;..., Tuesday, 30 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link

sticking with the pale imitation topic, there's one MC on the ps and qs remix and fwd riddim that sounds just like a dizzee impersonator. its tragic.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm pretty clueless on the grime scene, but I'd like to do one of my specialty radio shows on grime, which means I'll need five good tracks that provide a good sampling.

Aside from Dizzee Rascal (probably "Stand Up Tall"), can anyone suggest four more good tracks that provide a solid cross-section?

Thanks for any help.

― Mr Deeds (Mr Deeds), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Wiley "Eskimo" or one of the "Ice Rink" vocals
Lethal B and friends "Forward Riddim" (aka "Pow")
Target and Riko "Chosen Ones"
Kano "Ps & Qs"

― martin (martin), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Titchy, that's Stormin and he's ill. He did the arms house lyric first if that's what you mean.

― jhgjhjhgfjhs, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 08:46 (nineteen years ago) link

too big to order from Rhythm Division online?

Speaking personally, trying to use that site is fucking painful, plus the shipping is extortionate cos of the strong pound. If you buy online Juno is actually the only site that's easy to use, but their garage selection is pretty limited, and they don't do dvds or tape packs.

― Jacob (Jacob), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 09:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Surprised that the Kode 9 and Dadi Gee 10"s aren't getting much talk on here. The hyperdub 10s are both great - kind of a lot more dub, but also didn't get me a kicking from the promoter when I played it at the weekend, whereas any decent grime bass-line did.

― 3underscore (___), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 09:28 (nineteen years ago) link

trying to use that site is fucking painful

I don't share this experience at all, and I order every few months.

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 11:02 (nineteen years ago) link

in the new fact magazine, wiley says his next step is to pursue a live sound, as hes got a new drum kit. dizzee also said in rwd that he wants to try a live sound too as hes been listening to old marvin gaye records. im not sure if this is a good omen for the future of grime! (if this actually happens that is). electronic musics going organic usually makes them soft.

there's a jammer remix of the new roots manuva single by the way. roots redoes his vocal so he sounds kinda like a grime MC in how he spits on it.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 11:08 (nineteen years ago) link

my mate was playing me new roll deep stuff the other day, next generation stuff and it sounded very good. one of the tunes starts out like a celine dion number or something. its brillaint thought.

demon does the armshouse lyric.

― ....., Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I once imagined a quasi-live-garage sound that was sorta like "Boo!", but sadly beyond that track itself and a coupla others circa 2001 it never materialised.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:03 (nineteen years ago) link

A live sound could work, as long as they don't just try to play the electronic beats straight on a drum, which I'm sure they won't. I imagine they will both experiment with different sound before deciding whether or not to go with it.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link

well hopefully it will be ok. i just have a fear everytime electronic genres try to go all trad-musical. i'd like to think they wont take the trad-live route and will maybe just do some weird stuff, but something tells me theyll try to take a typically 'musical' route. i could be wrong though - i hope so. its too early to say anyway.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:09 (nineteen years ago) link

As long as they get the cellos in...

― JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:20 (nineteen years ago) link

a hired out string section, bald white drummer, fender rhodes, and brass section, i need all of it.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Sticky used to have lots of live drum samples on his dubs, check out the drums on "Golly Gosh". Anyway, Target always had a kind of live instrumental sound didn't he.

Talking about new Rolldeep stuff, what's that mad riddim that has a classical string sample on it.

― sgfhgs, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Target definitely, especially "Earthwarrior" which is like 2001-era raggage sheepishly held out as an 8-bar.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

-- 3underscore (tripleunderscore__...), December 1st, 2004.

The Kode 9 10"s are totally amazing, but probably dont get a mention here because this is a grime thread and they're more part of the dubstep scene.

out of interest where did you play them tripleunderscore?

― martin (martin), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 12:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Coincidently, I heard Full Mack Crew on On Top spitting over "Freshair" recently.

― dsgdsrg, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Coincidently, I heard Full Mack Crew on 95.5 spitting over "Freshair" recently.

― dsgdsrg, Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah I love "Fresh Air", although it always seemed profane to actually hear rapping over it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 1 December 2004 13:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i got some new bashy mix CD called 'UR MUM VOL 1 (seriously), its got yet another wiley dis track on it with a stupid skit about trying to sell wiley with noone buying him. he then disses him over nas' ether beat. its tragically shit, and bashy is basically a bad UKHH artist.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 2 December 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that Bashy CD isn't saying much at all. I know I've lost touch with the kids when I read on RWD that Bashy murked Wiley. One of the most unimaginative disses I've heard that simply reiterates what Doogz, Sharky Major et al have said in the past. Think it's taking it too far bringing Wiley's sisters name into it. Great to see government funding going towards studio projects like this don't you think...

Think of all the new Roll Deep stuff, aside from Shake A Leg, Back In The Day (produced by Target, nice piano sample, featuring Wiley) is one of the beautiful pieces of music I've heard in ages.

― Chantelle Fiddy, Thursday, 2 December 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

On the Kode9 tip just came across this interview where he was saying that grime is more 'forward' than forward if you know what i mean

http://www.drumzofthesouth.com

― Jon B, Thursday, 2 December 2004 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

worse than kids saying bashy murked wiley is kids saying that dizzee murked titch. matter of fact, wileys answer back to dizzee's track on showtime talking about what happened in napa is better than dizzee's too.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 2 December 2004 18:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

just read on teletext on channel 4 that dizzee has signed class a to dirtee stank/XL as his first signing, after they walked from their original deal with XL. slightly weird thing to do cos class a are pretty shit (apart from having a few good beats). of all the people he could have signed to his label, im not sure why he picked them.

after that horrendous band aid 20 thing, where he ruined an already shit remake and this, im starting to wonder about his taste and judgement.

― tasmaniandevil, Wednesday, 29 December 2004 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone want to do a quick summary of ten MUST HEAR/MUST LOVE grimey tracks that AREN'T on Run The Road or any album?

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 29 December 2004 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

dizzee - stop dat
kano - what have you done
kano - boyz luv girls
wiley - wot do u call it (or his ENTIRE album)
dizzee riko or kano - ice rink

i hate doogz so im not gonna mention anything by him cos hes too irritating and gimmicky. im sure other people could mention more than me.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 30 December 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

simon's blog entry for today has a lot more than 10 steve -- go there and look.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 30 December 2004 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

can someone please explain to me what sinogrime is????

― manoamano, Friday, 31 December 2004 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Grime with this Chinese sounding percussion on them, like Wonder's What, as used by Dizzee Rascal on Respect Me.

― JoB (JoB), Friday, 31 December 2004 13:50 (nineteen years ago) link

oh ok. why call it sinogrime though?!

just heard some audio of d double e MCing over jungle, and he sounded 359084958396895068396839056490584590386908690368903683906890383906839 times better than when trying to spit at slower tempos or trying to do more hip hop style MCing. amazing!!!!!

― manoamano, Friday, 31 December 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

that doesnt surprise me. most grime MCs need to stop trying to make hip hop tracks.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

but it's the only way they'll make any cash...

― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, well, thats a sad fact, but id rather hear early roll deep tracks then something like let it out, personally. or diz's i luv u compared to that new thing on 1xtra, lets go to work, which is jsut terrible!!!

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link

why call it sinogrime though?!

comb. form meaning "Chinese," 1879, from L.L. Sinæ (pl.) "the Chinese," from Ptolemaic Gk. Sinai, from Arabic Sin "China," probably from Chinese Ch'in, name of the fourth dynasty of China.

― JoB (JoB), Friday, 31 December 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

it's just called oriental grime.

― scg, Friday, 31 December 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

http://s19.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2JUU50B036NZ12B4N2136NJWTV

theres the d-double on jungle audio from radio. i dunno how anyone can hear that and then think that he should be making hip hop tracks. he sounds so incredible and right at home on 160bpms.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Friday, 31 December 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i'd go along with that. i got about ten minutes of d.e.e sharky and stormin over jungle. mac 10 just started playing it towards the end of a set a couple of years ago and they're all amazing on it, stormin more than anyone, he smashes it. i don't know what it is with those slow tempoes, but it does always sound rubbish, unless your name's kano, he sounds alright on a slower beat, otherwise its terrible as a general rule.

― l///, Saturday, 1 January 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago) link

five months pass...

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― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Snakes On A Plane!

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 5 February 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link

two years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rlw_ZGwWhw

how has this aged for yall half a decade later??

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:39 (thirteen years ago) link

lol grime

― srsly dudes pastiche aesthetic + amiable nihilism (Display Name), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link

how has this aged for yall half a decade later??

pretty well tbh! another song that was played at the protests so the kids haven't forgotten it either.

we have "pow! 2011" doing the rounds now too (with jme, wiley, kano, p money, 2 face, ghetts & chipmunk)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSqQsbenUvQ

my favourite was always "forward 2" though - flirta d's mouth <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zxEi6MDlA

― lex diamonds (lex pretend), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 08:20 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-5c80-7bAM

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Fwd 2011 isn't very good really, someone needs to take Kano and Chipmunk to the knackers yard really. I'd argue that grime probably means more and is more relevant in Britain in 2011 than it was in 04-05, ie premature internet hype phase.

Also, Flockaveli is basically a grime album.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link

wish there was more Run The Roads tbh

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

like i always enjoyed grime, but not nearly enough to do the actual homework on cobbling all the rando singles and YouTubes and radio shows that fueled it.

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Does Spotify work in the US yet? There are a load of grime playlists on there, although that's obviously a bit selective.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i wish the bit from Lord of the Decks w/ d double e riding his moped around Newham was on youtube. classic material

― missingNO, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:53 (thirteen years ago) link

"how has this aged for yall half a decade later?"

High points of grime (of which "Pow" was one) still sound really good to me.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Admittedly I probably (like with jungle, garage, well anything UK continuum related) have way way too many discs which lean more toward the mediocre than the sublime, but that's sort of how this works isn't it?

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm really excited by stuff going on here atm.
Marger & Rival were set to be a major team, - as demonstrated by this absolute boy of a first set on Logan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPu9qfB0EIg

but now Margs has gone ego nuts & has basically told Rival to go home and get his fuckin shinebox- "sent to the shop, sent to the shop, Rival use to get sent to the shop". The dub also featured a little send for MIK, who's certainly got a reply. It's not likely Rival will reply- he seems really upset on Twitter.

Instrumentals are v. v. strong at the minute. I love the Spartan meme. the newest remix basically made me dash all my stuff across the room:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrfR2KajeY0

these are all amazing in sets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsEiFZjcvr0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V7LTQ-fd8c

Oil Gang, Butterz & Pitch Controllers are now doing the releases thing properly, which is great to see.

Trim is back at his best after being in a weird memory crisis last year. It seems that war keeps him going:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzoaHrMYj3s

Chronik is out of jail, and sounds terrifying these days, and of course Wiley after the avalanche of new music last year has reached an apex of creative zen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZGON32Agu0

― boss margins, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

marcus nasty needs to slap kano's mum again for that fw2011 verse. "oh what big bars you have!" guhhhh

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

teefed vybz kartel lyrics too

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, Flockaveli is basically a grime album.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 13:38 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

good opinion, count me in

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

giggs has done 'hard in da paint' iirc

huzzah

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

logan sama's aaa rwd mix was my fav grime artifact from back when i used to check for this stuff. so well balanced. but its been since lost to the mists of hard drive failure. can anyone up that?

― ich bin ein ilxor (deej), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

lol at that trim track, good stuff.

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

speaking of giggs & waka flocka- not really sure whats up with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv9LF3bgAoU

Footsie recently released a free d/l which is absolutely amazing. there's gotta be a hidden wealth of his own productions w/ d double over them.
http://www.newhamgenerals.com/2010/12/23/footsie-rastaman-pickney-ep-click-cover-to-download-for-free/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq5uXJ8JzcU

anyone have an opinion on who's versioned the best wooo riddim? probs best to discount d double from this..

― boss margins, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link

cheers boss.

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

midlands hype. stay fresh being the big collective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98Uf3SEy1co&feature=channel

that footage is taken from a series of nights tim & barry put on which were streamed live. these were so, so, so much fun to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ArAoAgyrQ

more new dash your stuff instrumentals:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ljw8mmM3IY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwwEQxaB3oE&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXNZ1EluxTM&feature=related

― boss margins, Thursday, 13 January 2011 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEPtRRc0zy0&feature=player_embedded

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 February 2011 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5ow9Cnnjeg

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 24 February 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcBPJXhf9wE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHHonkjH6M0

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqWKf3k53As&feature=related

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 3 March 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3l-CjJn1ic

― Patrice Leclerc Delacroix Poussin (admrl), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

four weeks pass...

This is so good/fun - Logan Sama KISS PRESENTS ft. Trim, Obese, Discarda, Nico Lindsay & Big Narstie

― historyyy (prettylikealaindelon), Thursday, 1 September 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

christ that ruff squad set from the 22nd is really something.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, January 8, 2004 3:08 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It really was something, as was the one from the 29th - I guess these are Ruff Sqwad sets on Deja Vu from 22nd/29th December 2003.

Unfortunately, I lost my copies about 7 years ago, and all I can find online is 16 mins of the 29th December set. Does anyone still have them??

― toby, Friday, 7 December 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

Speaking of http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/dec/06/a-history-of-grime

― pandemic, Friday, 7 December 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

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