ILM Top 100 2005-2009: ALBUMS

t-minus 20 minutes (give or take)

SO PUMPED

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I have been hitting F5 every few seconds for the last 12 hours waiting for this to pop up btw

Aw yeah

so, we have three ties on the schedule today

is everyone okay with this? or should i break the ties by putting the album with the most votes first, which is what i think musically did last year

i say go with the tie

Just looked at the list... those aren't really ties if one has a higher number of votes.

i think i have 1 album im sure will place. 2 or 3 that might and 1 i thought was sure would place until none of their tracks made the tracks poll and now im unsure.

? or should i break the ties

^^^^^^

Are you going to include little quotes or go blurbless?

I think we should have a poll for all this, send in your ballots by august 4

break the ties by using an octopus

http://www.squishable.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/octopus.jpg

okay, i'll break the ties, although there is one tie where both albums have the same amount of points/votes

WITHOUT FURTHER ADIEU

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100. Kevin Federline - Playing with Fire (2007) [195.5 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bPxgT53qak

100. LIL WAYNE Tha Carter III (2008) [181 points, 8 votes]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c8/CarterIII.jpg

there is one tie where both albums have the same amount of points/votes

aka A REAL TIE ;)

Whaaaaaaaaaaaa!! Shit should be top ten. Ugh.

i demand a recount

ilxor, before I scrolled down and saw your name under the post, I seriously thought KF made it on the list and wanted to laugh at ilx forever

KF is top 10 for sure

actually i accidentally left all rap albums off my ballot so this is probably my fault

I should probably listen to that whole Lil Wayne album, huh? I've had it for two years and have only ever played "A Milli."

I would break ties by

a) total number of votes
b) highest-ranking vote

the way i break a tie in the eoy metal poll is by #1 votes and if it has none # of voters.

i havent really listened to carter3 since 08 but i still love "shoot me down" plus the singles

carter 3 was 9th in the yr end 08 poll btw

predicting a strong ADPY showing.

G has been roundly disowned by ILM obv

carter3 gets really lame at the end but 2/3 of it is straight fiyah.

APDYX

99. SPOON Gimme Fiction (2005) [181 points, 9 votes]
http://www.phawker.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/SpoonGimmeFiction.jpg

tha carter iii is a very strong album but i'd think most lil wayne votes would go to tha carter ii, right?

Nice one. Still one of Spoon's best albums, right alongside Girls Can Tell.

carter III is pretty good -- has a few true, true duds -- carter III was my #2 and drought & d2 are waaaayyy better

Spoons best albums = Telephone and A Series of Sneaks. Everything else ranges from "oh, alright" to "meh."

er, Telephono

i'd rank gimme fiction below kill the moonlight, girls can tell, and ga*5 in that order, but it's still got some killer songs on it

I listened to GAGAGAGAGAGA a bunch of times and liked it and yet just can't find it in me to care about ever listening to Spoon again or checking their other albums. Nice covers though.

i know i've said this before but the front of gimme fiction slays and then it gets deathly boring for 3 or 4 tracks toward the back.

telephono is ca ca ca ca ca

gagaga is by far my fav spoon album & the only one i voted for, but i love gimme fiction too

98. CAMERA OBSCURA Let's Get Out of This Country (2006) [183 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/Lets_get_out_of_this_country.jpg

that album cover bothers me every time i see it, to the point where i've never even considered listening to the album

dumb, i know

p. good but would not make my top 100 for this period

That's the sort of album cover that tells me I'm not gonna like the music inside. Quite helpful!

that album cover bothers me every time i see it, to the point where i've never even considered listening to the album

Join the club.

first three entries = yawn

Cosign w/ Tuomas. Absolutely atrocious.

untrue pitch lemme check your ballot and tell you about when to check back

great the indiepop gestapo all coming out

I rather like indiepop, but something about Camera Obscura (and it's not just limited to their packaging) rubs me wrong.

great the indiepop gestapo all coming out

we wouldn't need to if indiepop would just die out

that album cover bothers me every time i see it, to the point where i've never even considered listening to the album

same here, except i had previously decided to avoid camera obscura. funny how much consensus there is on this.

I love indiepop but Camera Obscura is not a good band. They have a few good songs and that's it.

we wouldn't need to if indiepop would just die out

bbbbbut its POP!

way to run with the gestapo analogy lex!

97. RHYTHM & SOUND See Mi Yah (2005) [185 points, 9 votes]
http://www.discogs.com/image/R-361829-1248548401.jpeg

That Carter III thing is in last place and is still somehow way way way way way way too high. Way too high.

alright guys i'm gonna run to the bank real quick before this soccer game, i'll be back in 25 mins or so

welll i like the camob cover lets u know that the music will be cool & fun but also emotional

Can anyone else see that Discogs img link? I can't.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61BE4r0AstL._SS500_.jpg

Discogs doesn't allow direct picture linking, you shouldn't use it.

see mi yah is one of those albums that i really should have got round to hearing in the past half decade. all i have are scattered remixes (carl craig's "poor people must work" sticks out)...

what is this record?

there's a remix album lex, i really like it

i hate reading these threads at work because i want to go running to youtube every time something i haven't heard pops up

Rhythm & Sound have always sounded better as a concept than what the actual music is like. The only tune by them I think is an absolute classic is "What a Mistry" with Tikiman.

see mi yah looks like it might be worth listening to, anyone wanna say more about it.

my maudlin career >>> lets get out of this country

see mi yah is one of those albums that i really should have got round to hearing in the past half decade. [x2]

I like this, but not nearly as much as "With The Artists"

actually i think i've ONLY heard the see mi yah remixes, not the originals.

when it was a big thing i was only just getting into mnml techno, so i think it passed me by. possibly because 10 versions of the same riddim seems a bit much even for me.

i don't know R&S, but the cover is great (reverse camera obscura effect)

alright i'm back, queuing up the next one

96. CARIBOU Andorra (2007) [187.5 points, 9 votes]
http://lapiscinavacia.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/caribou1.jpg

hahaha ok this is way weirder than the start of the tracks poll

what an ugly cover.

i love 'up in flames' and his newest one but i kind of slept through everything in between

Really? I think it's awesome.

xp

alright no one seems quite inspired by caribou, so on to the next one

Never heard of See Mi Yah before but it sounds kind of an interesting idea. Gimme Fiction is by no means a great Spoon album; Carter III is ok but I can't say I've listened to it loads since it came out.

That Carter III thing is in last place and is still somehow way way way way way way too high. Way too high.

― Born too beguiled (DavidM), Wednesday, July 7, 2010 2:03 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

true but i'm kinda happy to have it out the way and not know it's gonna show up later. really hoping Carter II does well.

The best part about this is going to be critiquing the album covers!

95. BATTLES Mirrored (2007) [190.5 points, 11 votes]
http://dynowright.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/battles-500.jpg

was my #1 of 2007, but 2007 was a weird year.

ha didn't want this just to become album cover critique but the battles cover >>>>> battles music.

i listened to this a decent amount in 2007, and they're one of the best live bands i've ever seen, but i didn't really consider voting for it in this poll

i loved that album at the time but in the end i only ever listen to atlas so they got relegated to tracks-poll-only for me

I voted for the Caribou album, it's a really relaxing piece of summery psych-pop that deserves a listen from all ears.

am pretty interested in hearing their new material tho -- i am willing to submit to battlesmania once again

race in and atlas kind of summarized battles so well that the rest of the album, while not bad at all, got dwarfed.

It's already clear to me how much I've devalued the album as a steadfast go-to in my own listening based on the results thus far. I have vague memories of hearing most of these, but it all comes down to a song or two for me. And I don't mind that at all.

Like I posted in the tracks thread, Mirrored has aged horribly. It sounded so exciting back in 2007 but I listened against recently and it felt obvious and plodding.

94. BOARDS OF CANADA The Campfire Headphase (2005) [192 points, 9 votes]
http://centripetalnotion.com/images/boc.jpg

Ha! I forgot that album was recent enough to qualify.

wow. Great. I didn't vote for this but I'm really glad it showed up. I didn't realize how old it was either or Dayvan Cowboy would have shown up on my tracks list.

yeah boards of canada feel like ancient history right now to me

i've been meaning to listen to my ancient copy of music has the right for like a year now

starting to remember how much further from my taste these album polls are compared to the tracks polls.

Boards of Canada, more like Bored of FauxnaiveIDMcrap, right?

93. NE-YO Year of the Gentleman (2008) [195.5 points, 10 votes]
http://badtzbeat.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/ne-yo-year-of-the-gentleman-front.jpg

word

hello, ne-yo! it's good to see you!

first of my votes to place

BoC, at least late-period BoC, has nothing at all to do with IDM. It's not naive either. They're good at layers of sound, which I happen to love at 2 in the morning when I don't feel like staying awake but don't quite feel like going to bed either. xps

Fair enough, to be honest I never got past Music Has the Right to Children, which has one good track and the rest is kinda boring.

lol v glad my l8 ballot got ne-yo into the TOP 100

:-)

I voted for In My Own Words and think Gentleman is pretty unremarkable outside of the (great) singles, but still really happy to see Ne-Yo here.

yeah but i bet your late vote got animal collective in the top 5 ;)

Fair enough, to be honest I never got past Music Has the Right to Children, which has one good track and the rest is kinda boring.

Well then you missed their best EP and album, in 2000 and 2002, respectively.

nearly half the tracks on YOTG were singles, and on top of those i think "what's the matter?", "so you can cry" and "lie to me" are all fantastic songs too - i really like in my own words but def prefer gentleman, its highs are higher imo.

Yup, I voted for YOTG. Great album.

the singles on that album are titanic, and i found it a bit problematic when getting into the thing as a whole -- it's really a slow burn in that sense

92. NEKO CASE Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (2006) [196 points, 8 votes]
http://media.anti.com/neko_case/fox_confessor_mini-hi.jpg

bad album imo

well I mainly meant "Closer" and "Miss Independent" -- am kind of indifferent to "Mad," forgot "Part Of The List (Sexy Hermit Crab Woman)" was a single and don't count "Single" since a different version was a single for a different act, so I really meant it has 2 great songs and 10 I wouldn't mind never hearing again.

a few amazing songs, can't remember the rest

i think i liked a couple songs on that one, only one i can remember the name of is 'maybe sparrow'

Most of Neko's solo songs sound half-finished. Fox Confessor is no different.

i like 'teenage feeling' a lot p good soda commercial

also some dude ur retarded 'mad' is tremendous

"single" and "mad" are the most amazing YOTG tracks imo

never heard fox confessor; i love her voice, i thought blacklisted was a wonderful album, but last year's effort left me cold...

fox conf closer to the newest one than blacklisted, which is actually a good album

Didn't vote, but Fox Confessor would be my #1.

Ahh, it's started. I liked Tha Carter III and The Campfire Headphase but didn't feel like I knew either of them quite well enough to make my ballot. Am very surprised that the Camera Obscura album made it - I liked 'Hey Lloyd' a lot but am so uninterested by most of the rest of their songs. Borrrrring.

91. LOS CAMPESINOS! Hold On Now, Youngster... (2008) [197 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote]
http://arts-crafts.ca/promotion/loscampesinos/images/AC031.jpg

"Part Of The List (Sexy Hermit Crab Woman)"

plz explain

Huge Boards of Canada fan, and I enjoyed The Campfire Headphase. I didn't vote for it, though, feeling that it wasn't quite up to the level of their first two LPs.

even the mere mention of los campesinos makes me twitch with repulsion/desire to punch them in the face. when i tweeted a link to my singles jukebox slagging of them, without an @, the losers still tweeted me back :(

never heard them. nice to see boc make it though.

A couple of these images you're picking are GINORMOUS, dude.

ha, sorry

"Mad" is one of those songs where I think Schaffer gets a little too Manilow and I miss the R&B, plus it sounds like he's sneezing in the chorus.

"Part Of The List" verse 1: "it's your left hand and the way that it's not quite as big as your right"

i'll choose smaller ones

los camp was my #3

hermit crab zing is my favorite al ship running joke of all time

when i tweeted a link to my singles jukebox slagging of them, without an @, the losers still tweeted me back :(

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, July 7, 2010 3:35 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ugh artists that are on top of anyone who mentions them on twitter positive or negative are the worst

"Part Of The List" verse 1: "it's your left hand and the way that it's not quite as big as your right"

looooooooooool

I really should pay more attention to lyrics, I suppose...

It's twitter, guys. It is public.

Not really a fan of Los Campesinos, mind you. I love a lot of stuff they are influenced by, but their way of doing it just doesn't strike the right chord with me.

90. SLEATER-KINNEY The Woods (2005) [198.5 points, 8 votes]
http://www.culturebully.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/sleater-kinney-the-woods-cd-cover-album-art.jpg

well obv it's public, but to find it they'd have to a) be doing constant searches for their band name and b) then, amongst the thousands of results, still care enough about a one-paragraph blurb to tweet me about it

Still love S-K, still don't think The Woods was all that great (or One Beat, for that matter).

and whoa i haven't thought about this album in an age - it impressed me at the time but, um, "impressive" rather than "enjoyable" given how little i've returned to/can remember it

one beat is the only S-K album (that i've heard) that i outright love - every song on it is just huge

Quite the opposite for me with Los Campesinos. They don't really seem like something that should work for me on the face of it, but they really work for me. Lotsa xps.

Dunno if I can think of an album from this period that was opened up for me by seeing the material live more than <em>The Woods</em>.

kinda hate Los Campesinos

<3 S-K and Neko - "Fox Confessor" is full of highlights, u r all mad.

yeah even if i made a top 100 list of these years i don't think the woods would make it. but i like it fine. i don't listen to it much either, but i do call up their letterman performance of "jumpers" sometimes, it's really good.

<3 <3 <3 <3 the past 4 albums. Ne-Yo maybe the best singles artist of the time, in a nice 'wow i love hearing that on the radio now and again, its so refreshing' kinda way. Neko tugs the heart strings. Los Camp! was my #1 and post-football I may write more on it (sorry lex). And S-K are the bestest.

89. VITALIC OK Cowboy (2005) [200 points, 10 votes]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/92/Okcowboy.jpg

2005 being well repped so far.

The overall sound of OK Cowboy is immaculate but it's not something I'd want to listen to all the way through. Worthy choice though.

i think i was underwhelmed by ok cowboy at the time, but it's held up pretty well.

nice! first one of my votes to show up. oh man. this album is great. epic.

YES vitalic!!!!!!!

i guess as an album it felt a year or two overdue at the time BUT it pretty much collected all the hits, and his music pretty much soundtracked the early to mid-00s for me; really, really pivotal for me, for a number of reasons.

when i listen to this track, i imagine skyscrapers slowly rising out of the ground:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Fpj4YTyR-k

and this is basically the most epic, banging club track ever made

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGOaXphpT7w

man i didn't even think about OK Cowboy when i was voting but yeah it's good

i'm 0 for 40 so far

i want to go out raving RIGHT NOW thanks to vitalic showing up

la rock. i got a speeding ticket because of that song. well a warning. but still. i blame vitalic. really glad it made the list.

88. ART BRUT Bang Bang Rock & Roll (2005) [200.5 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Artbrutbbrr.jpg

augh

i think you have to be british to understand this band?

i don't think i 'get' that album

la rock. i got a speeding ticket because of that song.

soooo appropriate

i think you have to be british to understand this band?

i understand them all too well, it only makes them worse

i think "emily kane" and "good weekend" are out and out 10/10 classics, but i can't stand eddie argos over a whole album

That album is front-to-back funtime bangahs.

OH GOD I REMEMBER WHAT SONG THAT IS NOW i am literally shuddering here!!! it's that "i've seen her naked - twice!" one. oh god oh god worst song ever, i gfeel i need to scrub my brain clean after that. literally the grossest, TMI moment in any song ever.

this is because i remembered classic collection of old-skool stylus jukebox reviews of art brut

i had forgotten about that song. UGHHHHHHHH it makes my skin crawl.

87. ANIMAL COLLECTIVE Strawberry Jam (2007) [203 points, 9 votes]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Strawberry_jam_high_res_cover.jpg

:(

hate that album cover

love 'peacebone'

don't really care about the rest

i mean, of the 3 animal collective albums that were obv gonna place (SPOILER ALERT), having one go in at 87 isn't terrible -- i thought all 3 might make the top 30 or something tbh

SJ is actually a good album tho

SJ >>> their other albums.

Lex, you do know that line is supposed to be lol right, and not some sort of barrywhitelurveexpression?

lol @ lex thinking the idea of seeing a woman naked is the most disgusting thing he can conceive of

lol at the music released that week tho

lol circles

otm tho imo

Los Campesinos is literally the worst thing that has EVER happened to music.. ever ever ever since it was invented and some homo neanderthalis knocked some rocks together and grunted.

what's lol about that line? it's more creepy

it's the idea of bragging about seeing a naked woman in such stupid, gauche terms that's gross

not the naked woman, obv, i am a lil kim fan after all

lol @ at THAT being your clarification

"this you spell 'HAHAHAH...'" really, really shld have made the top singles list

86. BELLE AND SEBASTIAN The Life Pursuit (2006) [204.5 points, 8 votes]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3a/Thelifepursuitcover.jpg

ok the list so far is shifting from hilarious wtf territory to deep seated worry for the future i think

wait till you see where hall & oates places

oh fuck OFF belle & sebastian. i really feel that ever since i got on the internet, everywhere i've been, it's like i've been beset by belle & sebastian fans. why the hell are there so many of them?

Video for Art Brut is really looool in a bad way (like the song):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUEd_8QMPVU

hmmm, a communication medium that allows you to stalk people without ever leaving home; why would that appeal to a Belle & Sebastian fan...?

lol

hahaha

dying tbh

voted for that album

like that album a lot, should break it out again

it still surprises me that j0rdan likes so much old british indie :(

Whatever, The Life Pursuit is awesome (along with every other Belle & Sebastian album......)

i was 15 once, too

A+++ zing dan

By the way, I gave up defending Art Brut in 2005, and am not even tempted to restart doing so here. I gave BBR&R my #2 vote and I'm perfectly happy about it.

85. BAT FOR LASHES Two Suns (2009) [205 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]
http://justjustlive.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bat-for-lashes-two-suns-2009.jpg

Fantastic - turns out I guaranteed The Life Pursuit's placement in the list by putting in my top 5. Will celebrate by listening to "Another Sunny Day" immediately. Apologies to those who find Belle & Sebastian the moral and aesthetic equivalent of kicking puppies.

The 3rd Art Brut album is just as good, if not better.

more like cuddling with puppies instead of fucking them

And The Life Pursuit was the first B&S album I really liked since Sinister, mostly because Stuart Murdoch ended the democracy that crippled them for years and took control of the singing/songwriting again for the most part.

if all the original posters from when i first started reading ilx way back were still here, every B&S album from the 00s would probably be in the top 10.

I love Two Suns btw (not so much for "Daniel" but for "Glass" and "Two Planets") so any disgruntled B&S fans should really take my teasing with a grain of salt.

Just checked in for the day, as usual none of my picks have come up. Really surprised with the indieness of the list so far, I'd never have guessed it was voted by the same people who did the tracks list. Aren't there any Southern rap albums?

xp - nothing wrong with Belle and Sebastian, didn't vote for them though.

84. FUCK BUTTONS Tarot Sport (2009) [206 points, 12 votes]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e8/Tarot_Sport.jpg

Is it wrong that I've reached an age where I feel like it's impossible for me to take a band named "Fuck Buttons" seriously?

the trax peoples votes will probably come up in the later stages. I expect there to be shitloads of rap,pitchfork faves, mainstream pop and rnb to come with a few big consensus dance albums and hopefully Scott Walker.

metal folks dont vote so I dont think there will be any metal.

j0rdan puppy joke a+++++

"Olympians" would be my jogging on the treadmill jam if I still lived in a world where exercise and I got along regularly.

when Belphegor takes the top spot you will be eating those words Pfunk

i think the bigger thing wrt metal voting is that those of us who do vote in these things have divergent tastes (or at least diff obsessions) but i think that if u1v3r hasnt made it in by this point the LJ/JJ voting block has been defeated for sure

ok john votes, but him & i are the only ones i think. And when I pick an 80% metal ballot i know that the 80% wont get near the top 100.
I still cba doing a decade of metal poll. It feels so last year & overdone in all the mags.
I did consider doing an ILM all time metal album poll by email but noone would volunteer to tabulate it (and im rubbish at that kind of thing) so the idea is dead unless someone else will volunteer.

I voted ulver but we know they wont make it

jj fancy tabulating a poll?

RHYTHM & SOUND See Mi Yah

my fav album so far^ soooo heavy, thick, hallucinatory. the beat should get old but doesn't, a testament to the subtle balance of all the elements in the music; like everything Moritz Von Oswald releases it really feels lived-in and well thought out. its an album that i can play over and over without getting sick of them.

ALRIGHT! fuck buttons made it! Love them and this album. im 2 for 16 right now. hopefully this poll keeps on taking a turn for the noisy.

83. SANTIGOLD Santogold (2008) [206.5 votes, 10 points]
http://2liveandfly.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/santogold-album.jpg

i would consider it but would need some guidance thanks to never tabulating one before and worries that i would get overwhelmed/confused, say fuck it, and have to start posting here under some assumed name thx to peeps gunning for me when the results never showed up.

xpost to pfunk obv

lol @ how the santigold album is no longer eponymous

The Fuck Buttons album is good, but not great. Suffers a bit from the syndrome that the Battles LP and The Field (which I voted for) also have. Admirable works, but the concept can get a bit one-dimensional in the long run.

I voted for plenty of metal too (I even voted for u1v3r, though pretty low).

xposts to john and pfunk

jj will discuss it with you on googlechat. glenn says he can help you with the software he uses as its work related so hes free to help you.

ez you wont vote for the 2 other bands most likely to scrape in a poll :(

also my #1 is technically a metal album and I refuse to count it out, yet.

lol @ how the santigold album is no longer eponymous

Actually it is. Pressings since the name change have altered graphics.

ok dude. prob will not be on googlechat for a few thx to home computer hard drive destructo but thinking this isnt something that needs to get done next week so xpost pfunk yep yep

Also, I still love this album! xp

yay Santigold btw

"Starstruck" is totally my jam from this album, weirdly. (Besides "L.E.S. Artistes" I mean)

i still have been unable to get this whole santigold thing, which given peeps who like them is weird.

also I am 1 degree of separation away from her because my brother did a show with her old band several years before she blew up

santigold only got 10 points, shouldn't be here

I still like Lights Out a lot too, even after hearing it a zillion times in the Bud Lime commercials. (note to Bud Lime: people don't want to see other people swimming in yellow water. It looks like urine.)

well now that all depends on the niche demographic they were going for tbf

ha, I guess you're right.

its a crowded beverage marketplace out there

82. HOT CHIP The Warning (2006) (206.5 points, 12 votes)
http://stuntgoat.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/hot-chip.jpg

too low

I think more of my picks have appeared so far on this poll than they did in the entire of the Tacks results.

Caribou , Vitalic (just got into over the past year really. Lovin it. The follow up should have been nommed as well imo), Belle & Sebastian (one of my favourite ever bands, but not overly keen on this record. I put it on at the bottom of my list, just for "We Are the Sleepyheads" and old time's sake), Bat For Lashes.

When they first came along I thought Art Brut were going to be something I would really like. Listened to that album and thought 'uh, maybe not'.

speaking as a dude who voted for over and over, that hot chip album was unbelievably fucking awful imo

it's a good album, but i think all their albums get progressively better

The newest one is minor step backwards, but I mostly agree with that.

That Santigold album wasn't bad at all. Didn't vote for it myself though.

i think the new hot chip is head and shoulders >>>

jj check email

ok dude. prob will not be on googlechat for a few thx to home computer hard drive destructo but thinking this isnt something that needs to get done next week so xpost pfunk yep yep

well noms will take 2-3 weeks then another 3 weeks for voting so we can take nominations tonight and you wont need to do anything for at least 6 weeks! So if you give the ok, we can start a nominations thread tonight!

shitloads of rap

i can't really see there being more than 10, maybe 15 rap albums on this list

alright last one for today

Is it wrong that I've reached an age where I feel like it's impossible for me to take a band named "Fuck Buttons" seriously?

― emo WINNER! (HI DERE), Wednesday, July 7, 2010 3:51 PM (28 minutes ago)

Dan this album is tailor-made for you, I'd advise you to at least check out the music (obv. their name is ridic!).

Animal Collective, think that's the first of my votes in. Totally don't get the appeal of '00s Belle & Sebastian, the shinier production doesn't suit them at all and Murdoch's voice is far too weak to pull of the punchier songs they started writing.

i can't really see there being more than 10, maybe 15 rap albums on this list

haha, compared to most genres, that is shitloads!

81. DJ SPRINKLES Midtown 120 Blues (2009) [208.5 points, 10 points]
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_x460v8Bh5gg/SWxSAqIxPCI/AAAAAAAAAfQ/yeWKWe07ilQ/s400/m120b-cover.jpg

More of a casual rap fan here fwiw... I'd be seriously hard pressed to come up with 15 rap albums that belong on this list. Not only is the album format not a particular forte of the genre, but the past 5 years have seen relatively few truly solid rap LPs.

I predict the top 50 will be entirely made up of free improv, with the exception of Brian Kennedy's Greatest Hits at 23.

alright to recap

100. LIL WAYNE Tha Carter III (2008) [181 points, 8 votes]
99. SPOON Gimme Fiction (2005) [181 points, 9 votes]
98. CAMERA OBSCURA Let's Get Out of This Country (2006) [183 points, 7 votes, 1 first place vote]
97. RHYTHM & SOUND See Mi Yah (2005) [185 points, 9 votes]
96. CARIBOU Andorra (2007) [187.5 points, 9 votes]
95. BATTLES Mirrored (2007) [190.5 points, 11 votes]
94. BOARDS OF CANADA The Campfire Headphase (2005) [192 points, 9 votes]
93. NE-YO Year of the Gentleman (2008) [195.5 points, 10 votes]
92. NEKO CASE Fox Confessor Brings the Flood (2006) [196 points, 8 votes]
91. LOS CAMPESINOS! Hold On Now, Youngster... (2008) [197 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote]
90. SLEATER-KINNEY The Woods (2005) [198.5 points, 8 votes]
89. VITALIC OK Cowboy (2005) [200 points, 10 votes]
88. ART BRUT Bang Bang Rock & Roll (2005) [200.5 points, 6 votes, 1 first place vote]
87. ANIMAL COLLECTIVE Strawberry Jam (2007) [203 points, 9 votes]
86. BELLE AND SEBASTIAN The Life Pursuit (2006) [204.5 points, 8 votes]
85. BAT FOR LASHES Two Suns (2009) [205 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]
84. FUCK BUTTONS Tarot Sport (2009) [206 points, 12 votes]
83. SANTIGOLD Santogold (2008) [206.5 votes, 10 points]
82. HOT CHIP The Warning (2006) [206.5 points, 12 votes]
81. DJ SPRINKLES Midtown 120 Blues (2009) [208.5 points, 10 points]

0/40!

i'm not saying there necessarily SHOULD be more than 10 rap albums on this list -- there were only about 10 on my ballot -- but we probably don't need all of the 60 indie rock albums on this list either.

Glad to see the DJ Sprinkles there.

tomorrow will be decidedly less indie-centric

if the xx are indie, then i agree with you! ;)

0/40!

Me too.

I've got 4/40 so far (I think, just working off memory). DOES THIS MAKE ME A C0RNY INDIE FUX0R?

i didn't hear the dj sprinkles album until the 09 poll a few months ago but it impressed me enough to make the bottom of my ballot

i'm 4 for 40, turns out i did vote for boards of canada, weird

Ditto Johnny. 4/40 for me too. Battles, Lil Wayne, Hot Chip, Los Camp!

looking at my ballot for the first time since i submitted it and i already disagree with the ranking of almost everything haha

i should just submit unranked ones since i second guess myself so fucking much

The only one of these 20 I voted for is DJ Sprinkles, but I'm glad that it made it! Previously I'd considered Terre Thaemlitz to be way too abstract/conceptual as a producer, but this album has soul to spare.

ILXORS: good at math

my only vote was for ne-yo but i like some of the others ok

HI DERE: bad at thinking outside the box

I would like to just say that my personal history with jjjusten makes me lol hardcore at him being the first to make the 40 = 20 mistake

although maybe Mr 0ls3n was working the kinks out of his calculus curriculum when he took it, idk

40 = the forty spots on individual ballots! xp

It really is a very indie list so far - but if anything that's indicative that the top end WON'T be particularly indie.

looking at my ballot for the first time since i submitted it and i already disagree with the ranking of almost everything haha

This always happens to me. But then I do always leave it until the last minute.

Oh, and I'm 0/40 too, I think. Still haven't got around to hearing DJ Sprinkles, either.

shhh JF, you are messing with my mock time

It really is a very indie list so far - but if anything that's indicative that the top end WON'T be particularly indie.

Hmm, not so sure about that, there's still plenty of indie left to go around...

bats for lashes' belly button area is weird

It's painted that way.

I think Ne-Yo was the only one I voted for, too. Don't like very many of these albums tbh

Evan Parker is going to pack this list:

2005, Free zone Appleby 2005, psi 06.06. Gerd Dudek/Tony Levin/Evan Parker/Tony Marsh/Paul Dunmall/Philipp Wachsmann/John Edwards/Kenny Wheeler/Paul Rogers.
2005, La lumière de pierres, psi 07.02. François Houle/Evan Parker/Benoît Delbecq.
2006, Abbey Road duos, Treader trd009. Evan Parker/Matthew Shipp.
2006, Music from Colourdome, psi 07.01.
2006, Free zone Appleby 2006, psi 07.04. Philipp Wachsmann/Rudi Mahall/Aki Takase/Alexander von Schlilppenbach/Evan Parker/Paul Rutherford/Paul Lovens.
2006, A glancing blow, Clean Feed CF085CD. Evan Parker/John Edwards/Chris Corsano.
2006, Live at Roulette, ANIMUL ANI 106. Evan Parker/Ned Rothenberg.
2007, Parallelisms, Ruby Flower Records RF04CD. Herb Robertson/Evan Parker/Agusti Fernandez.
2007, A life saved by a spider and two doves, Another timbre at07. Max Eastley/Graham Halliwell/Evan Parker/Mark Wastell.
2007, Belle ville, Clean Feed CD125CD. Townhouse Orchestra.
2007, Free zone Appleby 2007, psi 08.04. Paolo Angeli/Evan Parker/Ned Rothenberg.
2007, The brewery tap, Smalltown Superjazzz STSJ160CD. Duo with Ingebrigt Håker Flaten.
2008, Live, In situ IS242. With Marteau Rouge.
2008, Relevance, Red Toucan RT 9338. Dave Leibman/Evan Parker/Tony Bianco.
2009, House full of floors, Tzadik TZ7632. Evan Parker/John Edwards/John Russell/Aleks Kolkowski.
2009, Psalms, psi 10.05. Evan Parker/Sten Sandell.
2005, Freedom of the city 2005, Emanem 4216. London Improvisers Orchestra.
2005, Crossing the river, psi 06.02. Evan Parker Octet.
2002-2005, Composition No. 62: Compilation IV, BF57. Simon H. Fell.
2007, Separately & together, Emanem 4219. London Improvisers Orchestra/Glasgow Improvisers Orchestra.
2004, Oort-Entropy, Intakt CD 101. Barry Guy New Orchestra.
2008, Radio rondo/Schaffhausen concert, Intakt CD 158. LJCO/Irène Schweizer.
2006, Globe Unity - 40 years, Intakt CD 133.
2007, The moment's energy, ECM 2066/177 4798. The Evan Parker Electro-Acoustic Ensemble.
2008, C-Section, Second Layer Records SLR001. Evan Parker/John Wiese.
2006, Zafiro, Maya Recordings MCD0602.
2006, Topos, Maya Recordings MCD0701. Fernández/Parker/Guy/Lytton.
2007, Gold is where you find it, Intakt CD 143. Schlippenbach Trio.
2009, Bauhaus Dessau, Intakt CD 183. Schlippenbach Trio.

I'm at 0 as well, which given my poll history is no surprise.

0 from my 40 votes have turned up (that ok Dan?) ;)

well this is mostly fucking boring so far

lol

Only two of my votes have featured (Battles, Caribou) and I clean forgot to vote BoC. I only gave Battles a very small number of points, so Andorra is the only album I've gotten into the 100.

Andorra is fucking superb, of course.

The Woods is it for me so far. I'm surprised its so low.

After some leisurely afternoon YouTube research, I have yet to find a Ne-Yo song that seems noteworthy in any respect.

i love "the woods" also, but forgot 2 vote for it :\

does it make me pretentious if I'd rather listen to all those Evan Parker releases instead of hearing that Caribou album again

i think you're pretentious for having listened to the caribou album in the first place

This list is pretty good so far apart from all the indie journeymen bands (Sleater Kinney YAWN, Camera Obscura YAWN, Caribou FFS). Even the B&S and Los Campesinos picks give me hope that the twee vote has been well and truly split and that's the end of it.

OK Cowboy is the best album here by a mile, Tarot Sport second.

OK Cowboy is the best album here by a mile [x2]

thats funny matt. ok cowboy and tarot sport are my only two to make it so far.

Considering Vitalic was only at #89, I guess Isolee's We Are Monster (being lesser known) sadly won't be making this list.

tarot sport is a load of promising noisy dance-jams that go absolutely fucking nowhere

you all know as well as I do that the poll will be absolutely fucking stuffed with chartpop, which isn't a problem at all in the tracks poll but which will rile me the fuck up here

heaven forbid we don't all sit around twiddling with vacuums and listening to things called "oceansize"

kind of agree about Tarot Sport ... but chartpop? I don't see that happening ... Like what?

i have this argument every time and i'm not going to get into it now - suffice it to say that i'm being grouchy after germany lost and fuck buttons are craftless

that go absolutely fucking nowhere

RONG

"well this is mostly fucking boring so far"

yeah, the traks thread definitely seems more fun/cooler. or what i've heard of it so far anyway. (was gonna try and listen to everything today but i forgot that i actually have a job)

i saw oceansize open for doves once, they were pretty good

heaven forbid we don't all sit around twiddling with vacuums

tbf Queen covers performed on vacuums is not that far off from what animal collective end up sounding like sometimes

oh fuck OFF belle & sebastian. i really feel that ever since i got on the internet, everywhere i've been, it's like i've been beset by belle & sebastian fans. why the hell are there so many of them?

You realize that a number of ILXors migrated here from a Belle and Sebastian mailing list?

Not only is the album format not a particular forte of the genre

maybe before run dmc's debut LP

which isn't a problem at all in the tracks poll but which will rile me the fuck up here

hahaha wtf dude explain this

I am not impressed with this list so far, the only entry I liked (and I wouldn't say it's a TOTALLY AWESOME album or anything) is the Spoon entry

hahaha wtf dude explain this

would think this is pretty obvious...? implication being that chartpoppers are good at singles and not so much at albums?

yeah I'm saying that we're not going to get that many albums that were beautifully crafted AS albums, we're gonna get a few stale indie flagships and a load of albums that have a handful of stellar tracks and a load of filler

and I can already sense a moratorium on anything 'arty' - prove me wrong, ILX

this said it is a great victory for something or other that something as obscure and bizarre as DJ Sprinkles is at 81 - I still need to hear that shit

i would think the people who are voting for mainstream pop albums are doing so because they like the full albums, not just the singles! that's why we have 2 polls...

oh and we'll get some dance albums - the ones by europeans will be great, the ones by the DFA will be hurlsome

ciderpress please do not expect me to be rational

As long as Paavoharju make it, I promise not to kill everybody.

As long as Paavoharju Orthrelm make it, I promise not to kill everybody.

Three of my picks (B&S,Spoon, Santigold) have placed, and my points helped push two of those (B&S and Spoon) onto the list. Never heard the Rhythm & Sound or DJ Sprinkles albums, so the list is serving the dual purpose of inflating my sense of self-importance and introducing me to stuff I've never heard before. In other words, I'm liking the results so far.

really beginning to regret giving Orthrelm only 12 points :/

As long as Paavoharju make it, I promise not to kill everybody.

That makes two of us. Paavoharju up there will nullify all wrongs.

acoleuthic OTM in general here too, even though he's ranting incoherently.

Even though I know it's been edited together seamlessly, I like to kid myself that the two guys did the entire thing in one take, no mistakes. Battles, my only pick thus far, could've picked up a few tricks from OV for sure.

Not only is the album format not a particular forte of the genre

maybe before run dmc's debut LP

Sure, there are a number of full-length masterpieces. But when taking the roughly 30-year time frame as a whole, I wouldn't say there's a great preponderance, especially since about 2002.

tarot sport is a load of promising noisy dance-jams that go absolutely fucking nowhere

Agree with this 100%

Preferred Fuck Buttons when they were a bit more aggressive, also. See: Sweet Love For Planet Earth.

for lj

--- NOMINATIONS THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Metal/Heavy Rock TRACKS Poll---. - Noms end 25th July
--- NOMINATIONS THREAD for ILM's Alltime Best Metal/Heavy Rock Albums Poll---. - Noms end 26th July

and I can already sense a moratorium on anything 'arty' - prove me wrong, ILX

Does The Knife/Fever Ray count? They should do quite well, I reckon. Scott Walker better place in here too, dammit.

it's funny how hip-hop, r&b, chartpop and dance all get regularly dismissed as not being album genres, yet somehow every year there are enough of them that i love as albums qua albums to fill my end-of-year lists. sure, the stereotypes are there for a reason (techno is singles-driven, pop albums can be singles + filler, hip-hop albums can be overlong) but it's not as if an "albums genre" like indie rock is immune from the exact same criticisms, and an artist's capacity to work within the album format in tandem with the tracks format doesn't have much to do with genre.

anyway my 2/40 votes so far were

93. NE-YO Year of the Gentleman (2008) [195.5 points, 10 votes]
89. VITALIC OK Cowboy (2005) [200 points, 10 votes]

and i basically approve of lil wayne, sleater-kinney, santigold and dj sprinkles showing up.

Preferred Fuck Buttons when they were a bit more aggressive...

;___; aww, i love tarot sport. not my favorite album in the world, but very nice if yr in the proper headspace. also had santigold and the warning in my ballot. overall though, 1st 20 = a bunch of terribly boring crap. probably including the stuff i like...

Does The Knife/Fever Ray count? They should do quite well, I reckon.

Yeah, they'll do very well. I didn't vote for them though! There really were a lot of albums I liked. In retrospect I should have probably chucked Fever Ray a few points (I much prefer it to Silent Shout) but again I saw them as collections of very good songs rather than albums.

lex ... as a big electronic music listener (or 'dance', if you like); i do agree with that mostly. though, like you said, there is some truth to the stereotypes. i do find the indie vs. hip-hop thing on ilm to be ridiculously tired though. too much pointing fingers. just because someone makes a criticism about hip-hop does not make them 'indie' loyalists or something.

xpost no no Fever Ray + SS are dynamite album experiences, especially the former. If you could explain, what is the determinant that divides proper albums from just rows of good songs?

I should have qualified that Fever Ray does work really well as an album, but I still prefer to listen to individual tracks from it than the whole album in one go - which is my personal determinant.

I was about to say that you completely invalidated all of your incoherent ranting by claiming that the Fever Ray album doesn't work as an album, and then you made that clarification

which tbh still leaves you kind of dangling on the "I'm only typing because you are all not actually sockpuppets whose taste I can control" hook a little bit

hermit crab zing is my favorite al ship running joke of all time

― altered scones (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, July 7, 2010 3:38 PM (3 hours ago)

haha otm

Pretty sure I voted for these albums, from memory:

100. LIL WAYNE Tha Carter III (2008) [181 points, 8 votes]
99. SPOON Gimme Fiction (2005) [181 points, 9 votes]
96. CARIBOU Andorra (2007) [187.5 points, 9 votes]
93. NE-YO Year of the Gentleman (2008) [195.5 points, 10 votes]
87. ANIMAL COLLECTIVE Strawberry Jam (2007) [203 points, 9 votes]
85. BAT FOR LASHES Two Suns (2009) [205 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]
84. FUCK BUTTONS Tarot Sport (2009) [206 points, 12 votes]

Which I guess means I snuck the first four (Wayne, Spoon, Caribou, Ne-Yo) onto the list in the first place. Depressing...

1/20 and zzzzzzzzz

i think i'm 0/20

word for DJ Sprinkles. Seeing him live Friday night!

Only voted for two of the 20 (DJ Sprinkles and B&S) but like a good chunk of the list so far.

Three of the top 20, forgot Camera Obscura.

looking at my ballot i'm surprised i didn't vote for vitalic. and why oh why didn't i nominate the presets album (which wouldn't have placed anyway)

just an fyi that tomorrow i'm gonna start doing results at like 10 or 10:30 am EST cuz i have to be at work at 2

work o_0

just because someone makes a criticism about hip-hop does not make them 'indie' loyalists or something.

― untrue pitch, Wednesday, July 7, 2010 7:04 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

have you looked at your fucking screen name, dude?

work!

what if the dude just fuckin feels like certain pitches carry a negative truth value?

just because someone makes a criticism about hip-hop does not make them 'indie' loyalists or something.

― you forgot it in neon bitte bible high violet pavilion, Wednesday, July 7, 2010 7:04 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

mister zing 6

hahaha

@untrue: suspect that hip hop is as much of an album genre as metal or indie or dance...for ppl who listen to hip hop. i mean run dmc changed the landscape completely and rap got p rockist abt its shit and that persists thru decades. u cld fill yr 20 end of year votes with all rap easy. i think the major label album has weakened in recent years with ipod playlists & youtube & ringtones & mp3 blogs & itunes & subsuming pop & no one buying anything & the major label album tending towards trying to be all things to all ppl, tho most rap critics i've seen on this seem to disagree with that (deej for instance rejecting that the album fell off) and we still talk abt albums as much as trax i think! i do anyway. and even as our ongoing mania for mixtapes prob teaches us to appreciate the sloppy and the throwaway more than otherwise, it shows that fondness for the longform persists, frees acts from label constraints, allows beatjacking etc. & the "album" mentality persists even in acts crafting start-to-finish cohesive "street album" mixtapes full of immaculately produced original music and given away for free. if it's a "thing" that hip hop isn't an album genre then i'm surprised.

untrue, here are my 25 favorite commercially-released, non-mixtape rap albums of 2009. also, shut up.

1. Raekwon – Only Built 4 Cuban Linx II
2. Quik And Kurupt – BlaQKout
3. J Dilla – Jay Stay Paid
4. Gucci Mane – The State Vs. Radric Davis
5. UGK – UGK IV Life
6. Doom – Born Like This
7. Playboy Tre – Liquor Store Mascot
8. DJ Paul – Scale-A-Ton (Skeleton)
9. Rick Ross – Deeper Than Rap
10. Ghostface Killah – Ghostdini: The Wizard Of Poetry
11. Tanya Morgan – Brooklynatti
12. Freeway – Philadelphia Freeway 2
13. Cam’ron – Crime Pays
14. Fashawn – Boy Meets World
15. Project Pat – Real Recognize Real
16. Finale – A Pipe Dream And A Promise
17. 50 Cent – Before I Self Destruct
18. Skyzoo – The Salvation
19. Juvenile – Cocky And Confident
20. Juicy J – Hustle Til I Die
21. Mos Def – The Ecstatic
22. Camp Lo – Stone And Rob Caught On Tape
23. The Alchemist – Chemical Warfare
24. Blaq Poet – The Blaqprint
25. Royce Da 5’9” – Street Hop

whiney going hard atm

it's gucci time

haha

More of a casual rap fan here fwiw...

Describing yourself as a casual fan of a genre, then immediately making sweeping, generalized claims about that genre doesn't usually work out in anyone's favor.

sonned by ksh on a straight logic tip = time to look in the mirror

Look for the sequel tomorrow in noted ILX thread Most ridiculous "news" item on Pitchfork regarding the horribly overhyped crapfest known as Wavves!

7. Playboy Tre – Liquor Store Mascot

^this is a mixtape ;) but yeh

Voted for B&S just on general grounds that I like their records more than most others, but on second thought maybe shouldn't have as I see The Life Pursuit as a big step back from Dear Catastrophe Waitress. Love that Art Brut album though have to concede that it would never occur to me to listen to it straight through. But this is fairly placed given the inexplicable absence of "Formed a Band" from the 100 tracks.

as far as stuart murdoch goes, i like god help the girl a lot more than the life pursuit.

i havent listened to the life pursuit in 3 or 4 years but i still get 'the blues are still blue' stuck in my head sometimes

i really like five of these album and probably voted for around three of them. \

i wish people would bitch less on these type of threads, i think it makes people who voted for said album less likely to talk about them.

anyways yeah Spoon, by far the best band from the 2000's.

i met Stuart Murdoch just this year and i talked to him in him about how much i love The Life Pursuit. i said something along the lines of i feel like i'm listening to a greatest hits album as it has so many catchy single. he loved my feed back and told me that he would tell the band about what i said...

i didn't like God Hlp the Girl at all.

haha, Help

how come on both lists (tracks and albums) #100 is fucking amazing

we wanted to grab billstevejim's attention

Fever Ray does work really well as an album, but I still prefer to listen to individual tracks from it than the whole album in one go - which is my personal determinant.

― so you want Mark Ronson to cry into your ass (acoleuthic), Wednesday, July 7, 2010 4:06 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

i will be rong then and agree with what you weren't saying. SS works great as an album, FR works only as a set of brilliant tracks padded out with some okay ones that i'd rather skip. i mean, it works better to the extent that you're otherwise engaged or hi, but otherwise gets dull before it's over. realize that i'm alone in thinking this.

they both work extremely well as albums. Challenging Opinion, i know.

Whiney. Uhh, thanks (?) for posting the list. Nice to know you value other people's opinions! Some of those are decent, at best, to my ears. Raekwon's probably the only one I would passionately single out.

we wanted to grab billstevejim's attention

You did the right thing.

dude... i think having someone take you seriously enough to post a list of albums is about the best response you could get. xpost

i wish people would bitch less on these type of threads, i think it makes people who voted for said album less likely to talk about them.

if i found people bitching about the albums i voted for, i'd definitely be MORE likely to talk about them

tarot sport is a load of promising noisy dance-jams that go absolutely fucking nowhere

It doesn't need to go anywhere! Repetition and build, dude.

I disagree that the relatively low placing of OK Cowboy means that Wearemonster won't show up - the latter is much more of a critical placeholder and it possibly feels less dated than Vitalic.

Anyway the best thing about these album polls is that records can place quite high that are totally off my radar and presumably that of lots of other posters too. I'd never even heard of Paavoharju before they appeared in the 2008 poll, and I certainly didn't know they had a dedicated following. And it's a good album.

You don't really get that with the tracks poll to the same extent because there's more consensus. Maybe the 00s was just more a singles decade overall?

I never got on with OK Cowboy, personally- I felt it had similar problems to e.g. Justice, with that over-compressed, harsh, bass-less electro sound. I've not heard it over a proper sound system, though- sounds as if it's a club record?

I think Vitalic is a predecessor to Justice in many ways but he's a lot more connected to the dancefloor than they are - his tracks all have this enormous momentum whereas Justice's beats jerk and pull back and change direction, they're a lot less kinetic.

vitalic's sound is also a lot cleaner and sleeker, justice's synths are fuzzy and noisy and bothersome.

Oh come on, Vitalic is pretty fucking scuzzy/fuzzy/noisy. Admittedly not Justice level but he's most of the way there. He's much much better and making scuzzy synth-rock noises though.

The other difference is that there's no way that Justice could ever make something as gorgeous and affecting as The Past.

oh yeah, i guess if you're thinking of "my friend dario" or "repair machines", i was thinking more along the "poney part 1" lines

oh shit i forgot how incredible the break in "my friend dario" is though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2RQAlnxnTk

The other difference is that there's no way that Justice could ever make something as gorgeous and affecting as The Past.

Yeah this is key for me, I found the Justice album pretty one-note but there's a lot more light and shade to OK Cowboy.

if i found people bitching about the albums i voted for, i'd definitely be MORE likely to talk about them

This is because you have not yet understood the 'irresistible force' and 'immovable object' paradox. Or, I should say, the 'Taylor Swift' and 'Animal Collective' paradox.

Oh wow, My Friend Dario is so much worse than I remember it being. There was a time I really liked it, but even then I was fully aware that it was just a knockoff version of Felix da Housecat's Watching Cars Go By.

But Watching Cars Go By doesn't have anywhere near the sense of build of My Friend Dario, the Felix track doesn't take your head off in the same way.

The Vitalic album is awesome if only for "La Rock 01", which is one of my favorite tracks of the past decade.

always always liked Poney (the part that lex posted upthread) better than la rock 01.

I am the sort of dance dilettante you purists hate; fwiw I voted for OK Cowboy. I don't even know why I bought it; prob. reading about it here somewhere?

It's actually a terrific example of how do to a dilettante-friendly dance album well.

i wish people would bitch less on these type of threads, i think it makes people who voted for said album less likely to talk about them.

Personally I love watching the lex and tuomas make fun of stuff they hate. it wouldn't be a poll thread without that. It's amusing.
I would love it if they post on the best heavy rock & metal tracks/albums rundown when it happens next month and do their Statler & Waldorf thing, it would be funny!

you have a really weird idea of fun

well he is a metal fan, you have to make allowances

WAKE UP O SLUGGARD

xxxp yeah having dissenting opinions around is cool but don't treat them too much like a novelty since those guys usually have good insight on the stuff that they do like

lex's posts in these poll threads have helped me to appreciate some of the r&b stuff that i probably would otherwise have never bothered listening to, which is awesome

otoh, whingeing about indie pop/ "I don't understand" does get a bit repetitive tbh

lex's posts in these poll threads have helped me to appreciate some of the r&b stuff that i probably would otherwise have never bothered listening to, which is awesome

agreed 100% - lex is a v astute and compelling critic on subjects he puts effort into (R&B, dance, tennis) - if I have a gripe with him it concerns his refusal to even attempt to engage with stuff he doesn't like so much. although he's getting a lot better at sticking to his areas IMO

Much better put than my unnecessary snark, thanks acoleuthic and sorry Lex & Tuomas.

when did s4rge set his alarm for?

it was like three hours from now right

0/20 so far I think, though the only reason I didn't vote for Two Suns wz just plain stupid forgetfulness...

I'm also glad The Woods made it, since Jumpers (which I did vote for) wz left off the tracks list...

It's not so much about Lex not being open to things, because I think even ilxors of the most catholic persuasion could be guilty of close-mindedness from time to time. He also really knows his shit within the tight-fit sphere of his taste.

To his credit, Lex is on the record as saying he does go out and listen to things like Animal Collective for educational purposes, or at least to make a point/prove that he isn't close-minded about other styles. So it's not so much about how willing he is to experiment (to an extent).

This is more about the irrational way lex expresses himself on these poll threads. Sometimes this apparent refusal to accept other people's tastes is hilarious, but other times it's quite frustrating. Especially when every time a rock or indie track gets posted, the reaction is plain jihadist in its delivery, getting in the way of people who might like to discuss said music in a more positive light.

It's as if Lex feels that if he tries hard enough, he'll eventually be able to recruit people to his cause, but often his arguments hold as much water as your average "rockist" stance.

It's the violent non-sequitors I have trouble with - such as the argument that twee/hippie aesthetics are immature, even unhealthily so; yet listening to crudely misogynist hiphop and Disney-styled country-teenpop is just fine and perfectly adult.

I've known a lot of people like Lex in my time - most of them, surprisingly enough, were metalheads, and decent people all round. I admire in a way, this acute sense of self that manifests itself by pushing out any objectivity in their lives. They express themselves through a hard-line set of personal rules and values, and react with violent shock when that worldview is challenged.

All the same, I wouldn't want Lex out of these poll debates, even if he'd prefer I were not there - his posts might sometimes make me want to eat my own fingers, but I know I can do the same thing to a number of posters on this board, and it's reactionary posts like his that keep music discussion alive.

I don't think any of this should distract from the fact that if you voted for Los Campesinos you are scientifically proven to be a paedophile.

lol j0rdan will be happy 2 hear that

GIMME FICTION is so much better than gagaga and the other one

that's all

I don't think any of this should distract from the fact that if you voted for Los Campesinos you are scientifically proven to be a paedophile.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:53 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

truthbomb!

imo The Lex would be better off not listening to Animal Collective type stuff instead of just sampling enough to have ammo to bitch on 200 threads about it

i give him permission to never listen to the animal collective for educational purposes or any other purpose.

btw I promise to not get irrational about anything further on this thread except lcd soundsystem

dont make promises you can't keep

ok fine maybe dirty projectors will receive a quizzical look

the argument that twee/hippie aesthetics are immature, even unhealthily so; yet listening to crudely misogynist hiphop and Disney-styled country-teenpop is just fine and perfectly adult.

I think lex's point is that he likes musicians who act their age. Hip-hop, misogynist or not, is basically guys being guys; teenpop works because it's teenagers being teenagers; whereas twee/hippie stuff can be repulsive because it often consists of grown adults acting like toddlers w/r/t cutesy aesthetic themes, lyrics, sounds, unhealthy obsession with childhood reminiscing and whatnot.

Btw I completely agree w/ lex on twee shit (abhorrent!), not so much on AnCo (who are frequently sublime).

Hip-hop, misogynist or not, is basically guys being guys

Where to start with this one?

i'm fine w/ppl saying what they hate; i'm less fine with ppl saying what they hate for the 500th time.

Hip-hop, misogynist or not, is basically guys being guys

Explains why I hate most of it.

I think lex's point is that he likes musicians who act their age. Hip-hop, misogynist or not, is basically guys being guys; teenpop works because it's teenagers being teenagers; whereas twee/hippie stuff can be repulsive because it often consists of grown adults acting like toddlers w/r/t cutesy aesthetic themes, lyrics, sounds, unhealthy obsession with childhood reminiscing and whatnot.

holy fucking shit @ this post

Massive fucking rolleyes at this latest turn in the conversation.

lol O_O

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WAKE UP JORDAN AND POST THE NEXT ALBUM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE

PLEASE

^^^this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRhXsiOud-I

Twee + misogynist hip-hop... lovely.

i smell an unexplored genre crossover...

lol i just noticed that sarge was posting at 4:30 in the morning est

A lot of the misogyny in pop (or rap or rock) is pretty immature stuff if you ask me but yeah I can see why people take particular issue with the twee/back-to-childhood aesthetic - I'm no fan of it myself but that's mainly 'cos I find it annoying rather than questionable (though I'm not saying it isn't questionable, it's just that it's annoying first and foremost) - it's that whole nursery rhyme side of Syd Barrett-type teapot psychedelia which I've never really cared for. That said, it doesn't bother me so much with Animal Collective, even though it's obviously a part of their 'thing' (I guess it's most prevalent on Feels, which I don't like so much though maybe I should save all this on the off chance it turns up later in the list).

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WAKE UP JORDAN AND POST THE NEXT ALBUM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE

PLEASE

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 8 July 2010 15:14 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

OTMFM

i smell an unexplored genre crossover...

Loads of songs about how you smoked weed at a picnic on Primrose Hill and then went back and fucked three hoes all night and then you got up and all ate a breakfast cereal with a picture of a panda on the box.

I find it annoying rather than questionable (though I'm not saying it isn't questionable, it's just that it's annoying first and foremost)

This ^

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esVEocL5uWg

????

OMG

Hip-hop, misogynist or not, is basically guys being guys

Where to start with this one?

― Neil S, Thursday, July 8, 2010 11:06 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Guys being guys is supposed to be a good thing I reckon?

http://www.ciderspace.co.uk/photos/history/huish-park-parachute-newcastle.jpg

I didn't say it was a good thing, I just pointed out it doesn't push the same buttons as adults acting like toddlers. And that's why it's not contradictory for lex to love one aesthetic and despise the other.

xp

HERE WE GO

ksh in da house

http://www.tne.net.au/~abdaacts/images/alleluia.gif

looooooooool jordan

80. LOW Drums and Guns (2007) [209.5 points, 9 votes, 1 first place vote]
http://betterpropaganda.com/images/artwork/Drums_and_Guns-Low_480.jpg

get low, get low

And lo there was Low

too LOW

I kept meaning to check that one out and never got round to it. I basically like almost everything they've done so I should probably give this one a spin.

if i'd have voted that would've been my #1

<3 <3 <3

Love you Low, come back soon.

if i'd have voted ranked my ballot that would've been my #1

Drums & Guns is one (1) decent mastering away from being perfect.

That was my #1. And yeah, way too low for Low. I love other things they've done but this one is just transcendental.

Another ok-ish album I haven't gone back to much. It was an improvement on The Great Destroyer though.

Low is the bomb.

Seriously, this thread got really horrible, ppl need to stop acting like such colossal pussies every time some dumb record they don't like makes the SUPER IMPORTANT ilm albums poll list.

I think lex's point is that he likes musicians who act their age. Hip-hop, misogynist or not, is basically guys being guys; teenpop works because it's teenagers being teenagers; whereas twee/hippie stuff can be repulsive because it often consists of grown adults acting like toddlers w/r/t cutesy aesthetic themes, lyrics, sounds, unhealthy obsession with childhood reminiscing and whatnot.

also, hip hip is like the poster child genre for arrested development! i mean, jesus it's full of like 40 year old dudes trying to act 30 and 35 year old dudes trying to act 25!

like i love hip hop and love tons of really ignorant shit just because it is rad as fuck, but c'mon trying to take some kinda weird moral high ground over twee shit as if it's "unhealthy" or some cod psychology bullshit is reeeeeeeallly fucking reaching.

lex you are a smart guy but you basically become like the glam version of alex in NYC when you talk about any kind of rock music.

I still haven't heard this album!

can we just talk about the albums instead of each other for a change

listen to it then louis.

OK FINE

"glam version of alex in NYC"

such a vision...

For me all of Low's albums seem to blend together into a muddle of 3-star competence. I do pull out the Christmas EP every year though.

can we just talk about the albums instead of each other for a change

― emo WINNER! (HI DERE), Thursday, July 8, 2010 11:43 AM (34 seconds ago)

^^

if only dom could see us now

79. WOLF PARADE Apologies to the Queen Mary (2005) [210.5 points, 10 votes]
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/ApologiestotheQueenMary.jpg

ok now sell me Wolf Parade

listen to it then louis.

lol

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that got my last place vote -- i loved it in 05 but haven't listened to it in fooooorever -- kinda scared tbh

Apologies to the Queen Mary people who voted for this album.

They'll believe in anything, amirite?

amazon.co.uk will sell you that wolf parade album for £6.97 louis

the production on drums and guns is just really bizarre and i think the album would collapse under it if the songs themselves weren't strong, but they are so it ends up sounding really neat

I love Drums and Guns so much. What a great band. This is the only Low that I voted for in this poll. (although Great Destroyer is phenomenal as well) Beautiful album. Helped put me to sleep many nights. I mean that in a really good way.

yeah, the hard panning on the mix makes it ...strange to listen to on headfones

through speakers in open air it sounds very nice

Yeah the production is good on D&G to be fair, I don't think all the songs are that strong though. I guess most of them are at least pleasant, bar 'Bury The Hatchet' with its terrible chorus.

ok this one coming up is a tie

i loved that wolf parade album in '05, not sure what it would sound like today. it may be textbook 00s indie rock, but it's just loaded with hooks

78. FUTURE OF THE LEFT Travels With Myself and Another (2009) [211 points, 8 votes]

http://17seconds.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/futureof-the-left-travels-with-myself-400x400.jpg

78. MADONNA Confessions on a Dance Floor (2005) [211 points, 8 votes]

http://www.mad.tv/special/cd2005/covers/Madonna%20-%20Confessions%20On%20A%20Dance%20Floor.jpg

never paid much attention to Wolf Parade, but I remember hearing that album a few times and thinking it was excellent, and then never really bothering to listen to again. Not a diss on the quality, just one of those things.

don't you mean 77

Neat that the intersecting circles appear on both sleeves!

JORDAN S IN 77-SPURNING SHOCKER

no i'm skipping 77 -- find it fitting in a way

I'm sure fans of both those albums will agree they're pretty much as good as each other.

^^

it's like how hotels don't have a 13th floor

LOL I never noticed how photoshopped that Madonna cover is--look at her left arm, or the digital approximation of it.

Voted for the album--listened to it over and over again at the time and it still works. It wasn't just "Hung Up" and a bunch of filler.

hahaha xp

76. ELLEN ALLIEN & APPARAT Orchestra of Bubbles (2006) [212 points, 12 votes]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/eb/Ellen-Allien-and-Apparat-Orchestra-of-Bubbles.jpg

haha what an appropriate tie

i think there's mileage to the argument that confessions is a bunch of barely-sketched songs and sorta-annoying lyrics rescued by incredible beats, but 5 years on the production still feels mammoth - not even that dated. and even at her laziest madonna still knows her way around an anthemic hook and punch-the-air moment ("JUST! WATCH! ME! BURN!" on "let it will be", soooo good). though it always annoyed me that she called one of the songs "forbidden love", like she'd forgotten that she already did a song called "forbidden love" a decade earlier on bedtime stories (and it's the 1995 song that's the better one).

this remix of "sorry" - jacques lu cont under another pseudonym iirc - absolutely bangs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr4QO_hw72c

u suggesting they had to remove a bingo wing, skip?

Oh cool! I had Orchestra Of Bubbles in my ballot somewhere, glad to see it in. So gorgeously produced.

xps YES!!! i didn't know whether orchestra of bubbles would make it, soooo happy it did - best dance album of the entire 00s for me, soundtracked so much of 2006 for me. i remember djing w/my friend anna-marie when it first came out, we played "turbo dreams" and just looked at each other and went "the textures, how can human beings make sound this beautiful??"

"way out" - still sad this failed to make the trax top 100 but it's, like, one of the best songs ever, just absolutely epic and evocative. DRY LAKES~~~

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxeQ85PYChc

I really like Orchestra of Bubbles but I never feel like it quite leaves up to the promise of the awesome, awesome opening pairing of Turbo Dreams and Way Out.

Love that track, I think it snagged a vote from me also.

xp

Orchestra of Bubbles was on the lower reaches of my ballot. Am actually surprised to see it make it, but glad.

I should give that album a listen, it's passed me by somehow.

i've always felt ellen allien was underappreciated by ilm dance heads, especially in light of how most of my IRL dance crew (rightly) revere her - so i'm particularly pleased to see OOB place. she's easily one of my favourite dance producers ever, so distinct every time out and so restless with each release. i hope thrills will show up too.

xps matt what about "jet" and "do not break"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY_uo45AqdA

I think I react adversely to the reverence really - she's very good but there are so many better mnml/post-mnml producers.

u suggesting they had to remove a bingo wing, skip?

― iSleighBellsTellem (zvookster), Thursday, July 8, 2010 12:06 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

More LOL -- never heard the term "bingo wing" before. That looks less like bingo wing removal than a complete arm transplant.

I wasn't a big fan of Thrills, which is the only thing I've heard of Ellen Allien - it just sounds a bit random and lazily-executed to me - but I may well check out this record as I have been really enjoying the more recent Moderat album.

Would I like this?