Calvin & Hobbes C or D

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If that's the case, and Belle & Sebastian aren't twee, then twee has no meaning.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't quite follow how B&S aren't twee.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

B&S got the affected, pretentious and pathetic part down pat, 3 out of 4 twee aint bad.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

the word uncanny was invented for this moment!!

http://www.whirlybird.org.uk/fgs.jpg

(hobbes = in purple)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Waterson says that he had never seen Barnaby until someone brought it to his attention after C&H had been running for years. The possibly-fantasy-friend is not such a rare or extraordinary idea that this is hard to believe.

I think Schulz was a writer of astonishing greatness and Waterson learnt a lot from him, but C&H is funnier and better drawn. The only basis on which I'd nonetheless rate Peanuts above C&H is that there is around five times as much Peanuts. There hasn't been a humour artist as good as Waterson come along in newspaper strips since the form's great heyday in the first half of the 20th Century - Herriman, Segar, Sterrett, maybe a few others (McManus, Capp), though they're the only three I'd confidently rate above Waterson. It's even more extraordinary when you look at the much tighter limitations, the smaller space allowed (there is an excellent C&H about this).

And Hobbes is so adorable. I wish there was a cuddly toy.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 14 April 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

wouldn't a calvin and hobbes movie or something with voices be liable to irritate the same hell out of you? i've never liked animated versions of comic strips, that i can recall. anyway, did they ever do anything like this, set voices to Calvin and Hobbes?

As a matter of fact, some independant animator somewhere did do a brief short Calvin & Hobbes film. He sent the film off to Watterson for his approval, and Watterson replied with something along the lines of "I think this is a good film, but I'd rather you not release it or make anymore". So it hasn't been seen by anyone except a chosen few. I think some of the actors who voiced it have the film mentioned on their IMDb entries.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Monday, 14 April 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Walt Kelly was a far more accomplished artist than Watterson, Martin - though I actually much prefer C&H to Pogo.

The idea of the possibly brilliant C&H film that no one can see has me ripping my hair out in frustration right now.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ch/1992/ch920408.gif

luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

This strip always reminded me of Krazy Kat in that the words often seemed to be running on an entirely different track as the visuals--and only on the last panel, or perhaps even a second or third reading, does one realize how it might fit together. Also how they have these incredible flights of imagination and fancy and inevitably end on a hilariously prosaic note.

I adored Calvin and Hobbes as a kid and at some point determined it was too sentimental, which it is at times. But I think I'm ready to appreciate it again.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justyn, Kelly was a tremendous artist, but I think I'd still rate Watterson ahead of him, for the energy levels. I'm a very big admirer of C&H in pretty much every respect.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Reviving because of the latest Watterson "where is he now?" update.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

Heh, I was flipping through the tenth anniversary collection last night, by chance. As amazing.

"It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

Good timing, as I've been going through the collections again too. Brilliant strip, probably my favourite of all time. I miss it.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

My whole theory about him just getting away from it all is simple -- he wants to? Let him. He owes nobody anything beyond his friends and family and my sense has always been that he values them beyond description.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, he's absolutely entitled to quit and do nothing for the rest of his life. He deserves to be rich for ten years of such greatness. Nonetheless, I'd be so pleased if he started it again, or something new.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, just finished the article...OPUS? He's back? WHERE WHERE WHERE WHERE?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Behold:

http://www.berkeleybreathed.com/opus_returns.html

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

So, I'm guessing that tossing panties [in celebration] at a toon penguin would be perverted?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

"Outland" got pretty dire as it evolved. The first two "Opus" strips suggest a continuation of where "Outland" left off, but hopefully it will amount to much more than that.

I preferred his daily strips though.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 1 December 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

"It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw"

this is one from of the funniest strips. i love those ones where watterson does (what he declares to be) lame marvel rip offs, they are so silly. also into the poantheon of greatness- the one where he starts seeling homemade lemonade for $5 a glass, and as Mark S noted, every single one that involved snowmen or sculpture in snow. esp the modern art ones. kinda obvious but they hurt my sides, sort of....

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

Opus?! sweet. I was absolutley obsessed with Bloom County from about age 12--> Even though a lot of the socio-political satire was probably over my head (hell, it probably naturalized me to some degree)

Your right, though, Outland kinda petered out.

Will (will), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:26 (twenty years ago) link

The first Outland collection is quite good, the one called Politically Incorrect or some such. I'd venture to say that the only strip that brought me more personal joy that C&H was Breathed's Bloom County. If you want to talk your Sartre and your hell is other people, Milo's Meadow is an almost perfect model.


Favorite C&H strips? I love the one drawn up in 50s film noir involving Calvin and Susie, when they're playing house, and Calvin's character, puffing a pipe, longs for a divorce and rejects their "baby" (a plush pg, if I remember). I also like the one where Calvin scuplts his parents an ashtray, and Hobbes points out that Calbvin's parents don't smoke, and Calvin shouts "OK, Michaelangelo, YOU sculpt something!!" But of course, it's all in the drawings. I can't do any of them justice.


Favorite snowman strip is when Calvin gathers a crowd of horrified onlooking snowmen gasping at the sight of a dismembered snowman lying at the foot of his father's parked car. Calvin's dad: "I think we better get that kid to a psychiatrist."

roger adultery, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:54 (twenty years ago) link

just watched the Charlie Brown Christmas special for the hundreth time, and I still really, really hate the fucking thing. I'm actually surprised the liberals haven't pulled the plug on this yet. But I don't hate it because it's non-secular, I hate it because it's so lame. The whole thing reeks of something The Simpsons would lampoon, but this is for real. How can anyone enjoy this stupid cartoon?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

:-( You hurt me in my heart.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

just watched the Charlie Brown Christmas special for the hundreth time, and I still really, really hate the fucking thing

The hundred-and-first viewing will change that, I promise.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

possibly the most accurate representation of childhood ever?

Family Circus is the most accurate representation of childhood evah.

The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

Or possibly Broomhilda.

The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

i'm going to put a decal of calvin pissing - ON MY TRUCK!! it's going to be BITCHIN

i am also going to scratch off the letters so that instead of toyota it says either "YO" or "TOY" it's going to be AWESOME

ron (ron), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 06:02 (twenty years ago) link

christ, i love C & H and all but all the Peanuts bashing on this thread from oh-so-hip post-Simpsons kids makes me want to beat my head against the wall. have you people got no fucking SOUL?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 06:43 (twenty years ago) link

Weird. No more than an hour ago, I read a great, five-page-long online article about an artist who went out several years ago at the top of his game, and who's been pretty much a recluse ever since, never really explaining why he left. An article that quotes the locals, interjects personal comments, etc. The article was about Jeff Mangum of Neutral Milk Hotel.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 06:54 (twenty years ago) link

This thread made me do a search, and I found this

Let's enter Nerve.com's bad erotica writing contest!

WOW

sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

Calvin & Hobbes == Tweeists
Peanuts == Geezaesthes

Surely Peanuts == emo?

The Yellow Kid, Sunday, 7 December 2003 09:45 (twenty years ago) link

emo = clever twee cuteness disguised as fake unhappiness
Peanuts = genuine incredibly bleak fucked-upness disguised as clever twee cuteness

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 7 December 2003 10:04 (twenty years ago) link

they posted audio clips from the gary groth/charles schulz interview on the comics journal site last month. TRULY CLASSIC quote from same: asked what he thinks of "dennis the menace," schulz sez: "i don't like annoying little kids."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 7 December 2003 10:19 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
I love Calvin & Hobbes.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago) link

It was my religion for several years.

Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

possibly the most accurate representation of [stable middle class Western] childhood ever

Chinua Achebe, Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

What I love about C&H is the fact that I can pick up any of the books, flip to a random comic, and either laugh out loud at a strip I've loved in the past or discover something completely new and genius in a strip I've already read but haven't quite appreciated. There's so much great grown-up humor to compliment the already hilarious kid stuff. Anyone can enjoy it.

And for going on 10 years now, the only thing that has continually gotten me close to crying is the last strip. The emptyness of the last panel just opens a hole in my heart like nothing else.

lemin (lemin), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link

huge DUD. the reason why:
http://www.decaldriveway.com/shop/productPics/cus001.jpg

contribute, Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Who else imagines Calvin as George W. Bush's childhood self--destructive, unable to pay attention, contemptuous of the joys of intellectual discipline, spoiled little rich fuck, cute?

Leibniz # Pasal, Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Calvin's not rich. Also, even sans schooling he's smarter and more articulate than W.

lemin (lemin), Thursday, 6 January 2005 00:57 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Revive!

If you say "dud" you have no soul.

And remember, at midnight opposite day is over, right?

"Yes."

Calvin and Hobbes fans, feast your eyes on this!!

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago) link

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but I already HAVE ALL THE BOOKS!!!

Jimmy Mod Knows You Eat Your Own Farts (ModJ), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

But you don't have them in hardcover editions with a handsome slipcover!

Sadly, I have to buy this. This is not going to be optional, even though I also have the individual books. CURSES.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 02:30 (nineteen years ago) link

I must have.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 03:18 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I will do the better option and see if my family wants to go in on this as a gift for my dad for Xmas (we did similar last year with The Complete Far Side, which had him paralytic with laughter for all of Xmas day).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 03:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I've got to have this, too. I don't care that I have all the books... I don't have a choice!

luna's e, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

OH YEEEEEAAHHHH!

(oh no!)

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 08:42 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread (revival) made me get all my C&H books out from the "kids books" box and wonder why the hell I hadn't unpacked them ages ago (okay, need another bookshelf, but still!) So I read a bit before bed and seriously had the best dreams I've had in ages and woke up feeling really happy. So. nice.

I also need that book, wow. It's going to sell *a lot* as a Christmas present.

rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago) link


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