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What was _your_ favorite story/Doctor/companion? Have you read any of the recent books published by Virgin or the BBC? Or was it all unconvincing crap?

Question inspired by an off-handed comment from Tom.

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

CLASSIC!!!!! Doctor Who made me the person I am today, from when I was a wee dot, sitting in my dad's lap, watching the scary Jon Pertwee episodes between my dad's legs, to being a teenage sci fi freak, watching the Tom Baker episodes on Channel 13. I lost track after the Peter Davidson episodes (although I liked him a lot more than the later ones, he forever in my mind should be roaming around the Yorkshire Dales as a vet, not jetting around Galifrey as a Time Lord.)

There are too many great stories to count, but my favourite episode is probably The Ark In Space, or whatever that scary one with the sleeping people in the space station that got eaten by giant bees.

Also, the whole season that was the "key to time" story arc, I can't remember the name of any individual episodes, but just the fact that the Sonic Screwdriver ended up being the key on which the whole universe hinged was pretty damned cool. Plus, I had, like, a huge crush on Adrik, the original indie maths nerd, when I was a pre-teen. Though of all the companions, I think Romana was the coolest, just cause I wanted to *be* her. She was smarter than the Dr, after all. :-)

Funny, cause all the things that people point to, saying it's a dud- abysmally low production budget, lack of special effects, socks with googley eyes glued on for monsters- were all the things that made it endearing. And the quality of writing was just AMAZING- the minimal budget that they had, they spent on getting the very best in sci fi writers to come up with concepts and stories so engaging that you didn't care that it looked crap.

I could go on at length, but I've already outed myself as a geek enough on this board for one week...

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I never really watched, but the opening would always scare the hell out of me when the faces flew out. Those faces and the sleestaks from the Land of the Lost gave me nightmares.

Jeff, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yay! I'm not alone.

"Doctor Who" was far and away my favorite show growing up. "The Ark In Space" is definitely high on my list, along with "The Robots of Death", "Kinda", "The Caves Of Androzani", the whole Key To Time season, "Inferno", "The Mind Robber"... Oh, I could go on and on. Favorite Doc is Davison, mostly because he managed to pull off underplaying the role and comes across as even more powerful because of it. Hell, I'm so into it that I've got EVERY book published in the New Adventures series from _Timewyrm: Genesys_ in the Virgin series through _Vanishing Point_ in the BBC series. (I do draw the line at conventions, though. Even when I was a kid, I thought the entire concept of a Doctor Who convention filled with adults dressed as these characters to be really disturbing.)

Best companions? Without a doubt, Leela, Romana I, Tegan, Sarah Jane, and Turlough. Especially Leela. (cf: fictional characters I've had a crush on)

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic: when William Hartnell went to sleep and Patrick Troughton woke up, and walked out onto the surface of Dalek planet, all bubbling withg liquid mercury. I watched this unprepared aged eight, and see it vividly to this day, in colour. It wz broadcast in black and white. Troughton = far and away the best Doctor + yeti on the underground; Cybermen; Ice Warriors [Iththe Warriors}

Classic: the (original) Master, played by Roger Delgado.

Dud: all the stuff with Unit (ur-notion for the Initiative in Buffy? Only rubbish instead of good, obviously), and Pertwee himself (to me = Troughton nut). But Pertwee's ENEMIES were often grate (=Devils, Sea Devils: one of the Devils was called BOD!!)

Ten-ton dud: Tom "Overract why fucking don't you" Baker. But the Gallifrey/Time Lord business was often amusing.

Three-ton dud: Peter Davidson. BUT the ing on the first season of stories (esp. CASTROVALVA, abut timewarps and paradoxes, name taken from a lithograph by ESCHER = overlooked classic)

Hundred-ton duds: subsequent Doctors /Peter Cushing movies

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

ing = writing

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, go on! Tom Baker's total overacting was what made him so brilliant! It just went along with the melodrama of sock monsters and models exploding with firecrackers, it just added to the charm of it somehow. My fave Doctor is a toss-up between him and Pertwee, probably just because that was the era I first fell in love with. Granted, much of the time, Pertwee was annoyingly grounded with the UNIT stuff (though much of the annoying miltarism of this period was balanced by the fact that Brigadeer "fwah fwah fwah" Leftbridge-Stewart was such a loveable bumbling twit who wanted to blow everything up.)

Castrovalva! Was that the one where they were trapped in the scarily moebius strip city that Adrik (ah, archetype of all indie mathsrock nerds of my heart...) discovered that he had mistakenly created with his mathematical formulae?

Oh, and here's a question: K-9, what think you? Super-cool uber gadget who always saved the day, or annoying cutesy ploy, the Dr. Who equivalent of Ewoks?

Man, I have always wished that I had a sonic screwdriver!

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

P.S. sorry, Troughton always looked to me like a puffin! Though I do have to admit, he had some of the best companions- that cute little mod girl was ace, and Jamie, that mad scotsman in the kilt... Those knees! Phwoar, etc!!!

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

This is a Belle&Sebastian Wow-factor thing, tho, isn't it? Yr first, no, yr !second! is always held in specisal esteem? I always found Baker-era gadget-dom overdone. K9 was a pai9.

Castrovalva and Adrik: very possibly correct — of course, this era Who is NEVER repeated (cuz supposedly a decline on Pertwee/ Baker), plus my memory is swirling away like asteroids into a time discontinuity anyway, so I don't recall. Part of my mathrock reason for liking Adrik was that the maths was, erm, not utterly entirely bogus. (mathrock = mathmath in my case...)

Jo = my major crush-assistant, I suppose. Can't be: she always screamed and wuz scared. Who was the one who ACTUALLY DIED? Played by Jean Marsh (later of Upstairs Downstairs). Or am I tripping?

GOT IT! My major crush assistant was Zoe!! (This too is a Wow-factor thing...)

Sub-thread Q: lamest Dr Who assistant?

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

zoe = cute little mod girl

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Lamest assistant = Colin whassisface's backpacking American chick. Stupid, contrived and ANNOYING attempt to pander to the American market when, for fucks sake, the biggest Dr. Who APPEAL to yanks was the Anglophile factor.

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

As I recall she got her brain swapped with a slug. And was then replaced by Bonnie Langford.

Mark is right - it's your second. Peter Davison in my case. This theory probably falls down if applied to any post-Davison due to transcendental awfulness.

Tom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

The depths of my fandom revealed:

Jean Marsh played Sara Kingdom in "The Dalek Masterplan" and has the distinction of being the only companion to join and die in the same story. (Of course, "The Dalek Masterplan" went on for 16 episodes or something like that...)

"Castrovalva" is definitely the one where the Master uses Adric to generate a trans-dimensional mathematical construct solely to trap a confused and newly-regenerated Doctor.

Patrick Troughton rocked the house as far as I can tell. The only stories of his I've really seen are "The Mind Robber" and "The War Games", though, so I don't have enough evidence to knock Davison outof the top spot. The Yeti were SORELY underused, though.

Frasier Hines, who played Jamie, was also on "Upstairs, Downstairs".

The Doctor had three companions die during the television series; Srar Kingdom, Katarina, and Adric. The books added Liz Shaw and Roslynn Forrester to this list, plus the Brigadier is now living out the rest of his life in an alternate dimension populated by faries. (No, really.)

The misfortune of the Peri character was teaming her with the sixth Doctor. Either forceful, grating personality could have worked, but both together were a SHOCKINGLY bad idea. Interestingly enough, the new fiction line has managed to not only completely salvage Peri and the sixth Doctor, but also the hideously misconceived Melanie Bush, who has gone from being a chirpy nightmare to one of the more capable people the Doctor has travelled with.

Worst companion? Victoria Waterfield, aka the extremely wet Victorian girl whose sole function was to scream, "Help me Jamie!" at every opportunity. They replaced her with Zoe for reason, folks...

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

As a kid I enjoyed it, the Tardis was cool, and K-9 kicked ass. I doubt sincerely if I could sit through more than 5 minutes of it today, I wouldn't want to ruin my childhood memories. Therefore, I shall not be purchasing the DVD box set.

james e l, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr. Who is the way to be. Today they spend money on stupid computer effects. Why didn't they realise cheap video effects are way better! Doctor who is so Add n to x! I love docotr who.

-- Mike Hanley, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Someone's BRAIN got replaced by Bonnie Langford? Glad I missed that: I'd STILL be behind the sofa today...

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Someone's BRAIN got replaced by Bonnie Langford?

No, but that would have been awesome! More sad fannishness:

Sixth Doctor, "Trial of a Timelord". The Doctor gets taken outof time by the Timelords and put on trial for being a general menace to the universe. As it transpires, he was pulled out of time as he was rushing to rescue Peri from having her brain sucked out and replaced with one from a slug-like dictator. Therefore, he wasn't there to save her and she was killed, becoming an evil pod person. The companion who ended up replacing her, Mel, was played by Bonnie Langford.

(At the end of the trial, it's strongly hinted that Peri was actually saved by one of the people fighting the evil slugs and ended up marrying him, which is why I didn't list her amongst the dead.)

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Speaking of BRANES... how about that Tom Baker episode where they had to go INSIDE THE DOCTOR'S BRANE!!! And it turned out to be just as pompous and overblown as Tom Baker's acting, which is what made the whole episode so brilliant. What was her name... (dammit, alcohol really does cause memory loss!) the cool Survateem warrior chick in the leather outfit... was attacked by a giant mathematical formula which came spinning out of his Left Brain as they crossed the hypothalamus. I mean... that's the sort of thing ONLY the writers of Dr. Who could come up with.

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

That was LEELA, also known as My Long-Lost First Wife.

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Leela! Right, I knew it. Damn memory loss... she kicked ass, she did! I think that's another of the things that was so cool about Doctor Who. They had powerful female figures (Romana was easily as intelligent, if not moreso than the Doctor, Leela, despite her scanty atire, kicked serious ass) at a time when other science fiction was still treating women as intergalactic dolly birds for one night stands (Star Trek) or damsels in distress needing to be saved by the hero (Star Wars). As Dan points out, even the early annoying "save me" Victorian heroine types were replaced by resourceful, intelligent and strong women.

masonic boom, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

though much of the annoying miltarism of this period was balanced by the fact that Brigadeer "fwah fwah fwah" Leftbridge-Stewart was such a loveable bumbling twit who wanted to blow everything up.

And he had a soft spot for Jo. There's a scene in "The Green Death", at some point after she announces her engagement to Dr Jones, where he glances at her as if to say 'if I were ten...fifteen years younger'. Quite touching really.

David, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Didn't Leela reappear in Tenko, in more or less the same role (Tenko = all-female Burmese deathcamp TV drama w.Burt Kwouk as honourable camp boss under orders to be bastard...)?

The VERY FIRST companion was Susan, who was the doctor's DAUGHTER? No? She was interesting, it being 1963 and therefore pre- pop, let alone pre-Kate Millett: cuz she was SUPER-CLEVER, and the earth-boys were baffled and threatened and intrigued by this. But I don't remember her to look at since (a) B/W episodes never repeated; and (b) her character/look is overlaid by things I much later read in ancient second-hand TV comic-books and by the very repeated film with Bernard fucking Cribbins in it). (BC = cool, just not appropriate to this story...)

But I do remember a scene with her in it, which is poorly revisited in the film, when the white bedford van she is in (driven by a dalek-resistance soldier) is strafed by the giant dalek ship. Cuz where I lived and where my dad worked the staff van was a white bedford van, and when I was in it, I often used to check out that there was enough foliage near enough that I could jump out of the van — as Susan had — and roll to cover into it, shd the dalek ship appear and begin strafing.

That is all. (That is enough...)

An episode of Fireball XL5 gave me the all- time nightmares-for-week spooking, though.

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I could be really pathetic and list all the companions in order but I think I've scared enough people for one day.

Dan Perry, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

When I was very young, my sister's friend built a K9 out of Constructer Straws and paper which he dragged along behind him on a string pretty much everywhere he went. Accompanying his mother in a supermarket, he encountered none other than ... Tom Baker!

My memory of this is hazy, despite being told this story dozens of times in my youth, but by all accounts he was very nice, askign K9 why he wasn't in the tardis, who his friend was and so on. What a nice chap.

Magnus, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes: Sylvester [DanWillSupplyName], by contrast, would have stomped the pathetic object to splinters and punched the child in the throat.

mark s, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

McCoy is the name you're looking for.

DG, Monday, 18 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

BBC Online is doing some web Doctor who, although unfortunately with Sylvester McCoy.

Best series Genesis of the Daleks, but only cos a friend did it as a one man show. His interpretation of Davros was jumping around in a frying pan, tom Baker was a pan on the head.

tom Baker was the best imho.

Ace was very annoying though, and janet what's her name from Blue peter

Ed Lynch-Bell, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Woah...this entire thread(is that what this is called ?I'm new to this)is a revelation to me I have never been in the closet about being a Dr Who fan ,but its just that I rarely encounter another...nayhow..Susan was the Doctor's(notice the caps!)granddaughter... I could never decide who I preferred Tom Baker or Peter Davison..but without the assistants, gadgets etc. they wouldn't have been much and perhaps thats the appeal compared to the rest of them...Romana II(the blond one ) did alot for me,but Ace has gotta be my favourite companion by far...tho I'm regenerating ahead of myself here...just cos she was so gutsy...when I was a kid at school we'd play Dr Who and I remember throwing gold coins to destroy the cybermen who were after us...and being chased by daleks etc. I'd write more but I've gotta go have a colposcopy....why can't the world be DR WHO????????????????????????????

Sara Lee, Tuesday, 19 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark S 's call on Troughton is spot-on. The best by a mile, although I suspect it's because we're of similar vintage. The Yeti on the underground had a scene where a policeman is found inside a phone box, covered in cobwebs with his face set in a mask of terror. I can still see that face. At MOMI's "Behind the Sofa" exhibition (8 or 9 years ago?) they ran a continuous loop of all the Doctors morphing into the next one. It also had bits of all the various versions of the theme tune running as the soundtrack. Mainly subtle tweaks from the Radiophonic boys and girls until a J-M Jarre-esque update in the late 1970's. Robin would no doubt know all the details.

Anyway, Jo (Katy Manning) destroyed and stomped on my pre-adolescent heart by marrying the dull Sgt. Benson in the Pertwee/Unit days. I've never ever recovered, never will and don't want to. A goddess.

Great call on Roger Delgado. A scary mutha in a very English way.

Dr. C, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Roger Delgado died in a car crash in Spain in (I think) 1971-2. I read the story in a tiny item in the Daily mail in my school library. Tho I was in that library EVERY WEEKDAY for three years and tho I always read the paper, this is the only story I recall. This and the (similarly sized) item about Ian Fleming's brother Peter dying!!

mark s, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr C: the remake you're thinking of was the work of Peter Howell in 1980, as the RW gave itself what could politely be described as an "80s corporate facelift".

Mark: my school library also always had the Mail. The librarian was a self-described "true blue" Tory, hmmm, what a surprise ...

Robin Carmody, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

To be honest, Robin, I approved: Mail = Peanuts, Express = Rupert the Bear, Mirror = The Perishers.

Taking sides: Peanuts vs The Perishers

mark s, Friday, 22 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I KNEW you'd know this, Robin!

Dr.C, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, I think the Peter Howell theme is fairly well-known among DW / RW circles (I only fit into the latter, not the former). And nothing divides opinion more: disciples of 80s mainstream production techniques *love* it, but everyone else ...

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Leela temporarily reappeared more recently as a phony-Italian with stroppy kids in Albert Square - Rosa DeMarco.

K-reg, Sunday, 24 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't Leela played by Louise Jameson? Also played Jim Bergerac's estate-agent girlfriend in er, "Bergerac".

Dr. C, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Dr C lowers the tone...

mark s, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I heart Louise Jameson. And Mary Tamm. And Janet Fielding. And Wendy Padbury. And Elisabeth Sladen. And *hangs head* Nicola Bryant.

Did you all see the mid-90's TV movie with Paul McGann and Daphne Ashbrook? Any comments?

Dan Perry, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Was that the one where they invented a new enemy who moved faster than light and had no face? It was lame. The McGanns are the UK Baldwins, except that Canada has (inexplicably) failed to bomb their house yet.

mark s, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No, that was the Five Doctors, 1983.

Magnus, Monday, 25 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Doctor Who = best TV theme music and visual ever. But Blake's 7 the better show. Or maybe not: Blake's 7 was more soap opera than tech based plots (not that I recall a single plot from either, other'n Blake's 7's final: plot = "everyone dies"). Anyhoo, both shows had alien robots made from bits of cardboard. And monsters that looked like random bits from a hardware store glued together: bolts, old circuit boards, couple rubber bands, strips of sandpaper, and a lick of paint. Those rock. (Cf. budget contrast w/ US counterpart Logan's Run.)

AP, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

McGanns = UK Baldwins? FEAR.

There's a great Doctor Who book floating out there called _Interference_ where the Doctor runs into an enemy who completely FUBAR's his past timeline. I love that idea and I'm kind of bummed out that the show never really exploited that aspect of time travel (ill-conceived Valeyard aside).

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 26 June 2001 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
I know it's lovely weather out and all that but surely some of the people who've arrived since June 26th 2001 have an opinion on Doctor Who?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Revive these threads as well, go on...

Doctor Who assistants - Search/Destroy
The Man That Ruined Doctor Who
Doctor Who Weekly/Monthly comic strips - Search/Destroy

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:07 (seventeen years ago) link

MIND FITE!!!

Grr! (starry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

HSA claims to *HATE* Sci-Fi. Yet, on the basis of Castrovalva, even he had to admit that Dr. Who was pretty darn cool. Hah!

kate, Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

I still haven't seen that. Sarah when I get a place you must come round and watch some hot Doctor action.

Castrovalva is rubbish though!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:13 (seventeen years ago) link

The best record in my mum's record collection is probably her 7" of the original Doctor Who theme.

The VERY FIRST companion was Susan, who was the doctor's DAUGHTER? No? She was interesting, it being 1963 and therefore pre- pop, let alone pre-Kate Millett: cuz she was SUPER-CLEVER, and the earth-boys were baffled and threatened and intrigued by this. But I don't remember her to look at since (a) B/W episodes never repeated

I remember the surviving B/W episodes being shown on UK Gold when UK Gold first started, in the early 90s. I think Susan told everyone that she was the doctor's granddaughter, but this might just have been a ploy to explain why he was her guardian to boring Earth people.

My favourite Doctor Who related thing is probably Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, a Douglas Adams novel put together from late-70s Doctor Who scripts that were never broadcast. (as was the third Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy book)

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Castrovalva has 2 fun episodes, 2 boring episodes, a rubbish disguise, Michael Sheard, and a disappointing special effect which probably sounded great in the script. perfect.

Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The grebtest cameo appearance EVER is in CITY OF DEATH (this == my fave Dr Who story I think, apart from FACE OF EVIL) where John Cleese and er.. some bird pop up in the Louvre, analysing the Tardis as a GRATE ARTWORK - someone pls fetch Turner Prize stat!

Exquisite. Simply... exquisite.

Tico - The BRANE OF MORBIUS should only be attempted after a couple of cans of RELAXANT in my opinion cos it is very silly. Also you will be annoyed by the rubbish assistant who falls over a lot. The priestesses are brilliant. But yes I am up for DOCTOR ACTION.

Secret flame! Secret fire!

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 13:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Yep, that.

JimD, Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:05 (one month ago) link

it's "fanservice" of the non-sexual variety, but good fanservice

wasdnous (abanana), Thursday, 23 April 2020 23:15 (one month ago) link

Ah, right, sorry!

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 24 April 2020 10:06 (one month ago) link

Lots of love for his 80s IPC comics styling too

https://www.instagram.com/p/B_UXAS_nP2y/

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 24 April 2020 17:54 (one month ago) link

Halfway through, here's the list for the Human Nature tweeting, with Paul Cornell, plus director Charles Palmer and spooky little ballon girl actor Lor mostly going "ooh look at that": https://twitter.com/i/lists/1253615527408402432

donald failson (sic), Friday, 24 April 2020 18:43 (one month ago) link

from the last rewatch: a new prequel story/reading by Cornell, and a likewise new sequel short

NEXT TWEETALONG is "Dalek" at 7pm UK time / 11am West coast US time today, on the 15th anniversary of broadcast.

Writer Rob Shearman, Dalek voice Nick Briggs, and Dalek driver Barnaby Edwards will be tweeting on hashtag #TheMetaltron

donald failson (sic), Thursday, 30 April 2020 11:47 (three weeks ago) link

Combo list for all three: https://twitter.com/i/lists/1255867279788605440?s=20

Ah, science fiction: predicting in 2005 that the next US President after 2012 would be a Democrat because "they're just so funny."

donald failson (sic), Thursday, 30 April 2020 18:07 (three weeks ago) link

It's been known for a long time that the sixth draft of the Dalek script was internally called Absence Of The Daleks, and invented the Toclafane as a stand-in for the Daleks, at the point when Steven Moffat's mother-in-law was playing hardball with the BBC over the rights (a 2003-2005 from-the-beginning classic Who repeat on Australian TV had all the stories that even contained Dalek cameos pulled from the schedule after it started).

To commemorate the anniversary watchalong, Rob Shearman has now released some other excerpts of draft scripts getting around the rights issues.



Not in the above list, just playing along for fun, DWM writer Jonny Morris posted a thread of fun facts and notes based on the real multiple drafts that Shearman went through:

The creature inside is rather different from the Dalek mutants seen in The Five Doctors (1983), Resurrection Of The Daleks (1984) and Revelation Of The Daleks (1985) but it is fairly similar to the blob glimpsed in The Power Of The Daleks. pic.twitter.com/6dCHjoCOgd

— Jonny Morris (@jonnymorris1973) April 30, 2020




And Mr Shearman is doing another tweetalong tomorrow: the MR-James-y audio story mentioned above, The Chimes Of Midnight, will be free on Soundcloud to stream from 7pm UK / 11am PDT. Shearman and actress India Fisher will tweet commentary hashtagged #PlumPudding.

(The story is also on Spotify, for those with accounts.)

donald failson (sic), Thursday, 30 April 2020 20:20 (three weeks ago) link

As predicted, these Big Finish cheapos are getting on my tits. Though Slavishly sticking to the 4-part format when you only have the plot for 2 is, to be fair, not unknown in TV Who.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 30 April 2020 22:29 (three weeks ago) link

All 3 of their personalities and writing styles in a nutshell pic.twitter.com/w9xzKojbQC

— Max Curtis (@MaxCCurtis) April 30, 2020

donald failson (sic), Thursday, 30 April 2020 23:19 (three weeks ago) link

Sic, thanks for that Morris thread, that was very interesting. Now wondering if any Chibnall-era script has ever got past draft #2.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Friday, 1 May 2020 01:14 (three weeks ago) link

Next watchalong:

https://i.imgur.com/sebVkl5.jpg

The Girl In The Fireplace on Wednesday, with Steven Moffat and Sophia Myles tweeting. 7pm UK, 11am US west coast.

No word on any new material this time around - the rewatches seem to have been inspiring Moffatt generally, but adding anything to this story (on the 14th anniversary of TX! that's the distance between The Web Planet and The Invasion Of Time) would probably be diminishing to the original.

Elon's musk (sic), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 02:48 (two weeks ago) link

I like The Girl In The Fireplace less every time I watch it, partially because Madame de Pompadour is so much more interesting than The Doctor, Rose, or Mickey in it that the missed opportunity of her not joining the TARDIS crew crosses over from being the romantic underpinning of the story to becoming the primary dissatisfying emotion the story gives you; it's the polar opposite of Blink, where Sally's story comes to a satisfying conclusion and you walk away thinking her life has been improved by interacting with the Doctor rather than just disrupted. (It also helps that the monsters in Blink are better.)

DJP, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 13:41 (two weeks ago) link

clockwork robots are pretty dope but. and robots wearing masks is always a great budget saver in Who.

becoming the primary dissatisfying emotion the story gives you

Disappointment that Mme and the Doctor can't be together is intended though - you're meant to feel sadness or loss, not a neat admiration (iirc - have only rewatched it once).

Elon's musk (sic), Tuesday, 5 May 2020 19:29 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah, but the loss I feel is "I would rather watch a show about Madame de Pompadour"

DJP, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 19:31 (two weeks ago) link

There will be a new something posted after the rewatch, apparently. This list will have both tweeters in it, but after a quick squiz at Myles’ feed, there might be way more chaff than content if you use it.

Elon's musk (sic), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:21 (two weeks ago) link

RTD tweeting too, chock-full of facts.

Elon's musk (sic), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 18:18 (two weeks ago) link

Mini-sequel by Moffat and Myles, recorded in and for isolation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seNAqQ4gzn0

Elon's musk (sic), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 19:33 (two weeks ago) link

that's a good one

wasdnous (abanana), Thursday, 7 May 2020 00:32 (two weeks ago) link

Next watchalong on Sunday: The Zygon Invasion at 7pm UK / 11 am leftern USA, The Zygon Inversion at 8pm BST / noon PDT.

Writer Peter Harness and Osgood / other Osgood actress Ingrid Oliver are both tweeting, & putting together a new mini-ep called The Zygon Isolation.

Elon's musk (sic), Thursday, 7 May 2020 18:45 (two weeks ago) link

I didn't like that one at all, but curious to hear Harness talk about it.

I'm rewatching the RTD seasons after enjoying his Rose novelisation. I'd forgotten just how good the first Ecclestone season is - never bettered, really. It's just such a fun, diverse set of stories. Even the farting aliens one is better than I remembered.

I seem to recall Season 2 being a massive dropoff but maybe being age (mine and its) will improve it.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 May 2020 20:17 (two weeks ago) link

hey i don't do twitter or podcasts so i have no idea about anything about who fandom

i randomly ran across a video by this guy who seems to have a lot of views and whose content seems pretty interesting to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0q45-Puayk

is this josh snares guy a decent human being as far as anybody knows? thanks

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 9 May 2020 21:16 (two weeks ago) link

I have seen him tweet a very little and watched half a video once and he did not appear to be a garbage human

btw tomorrow's watchalong is now going to be at 7.15 and 8.15, to show respect to the Prime Minister, who will be addressing the nation at 7pm.

Elon's musk (sic), Saturday, 9 May 2020 23:28 (two weeks ago) link

I have seen him tweet a very little and watched half a video once and he did not appear to be a garbage human

― Elon's musk (sic)

good enough, thanks!

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 May 2020 01:18 (two weeks ago) link

stay away from the harry's haunted house guy, he is an anti-sjw nut

wasdnous (abanana), Sunday, 10 May 2020 06:06 (two weeks ago) link

thanks for the heads up. doesn't seem like the style of criticism i find very interesting, but if i do tend to run across it in future i will know to avoid!

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 May 2020 06:19 (two weeks ago) link

I like Josh's documentary-style YT posts, he's big on the lost/as yet unrecovered classic episodes and has done quite a lot on that subject.

Maresn3st, Sunday, 10 May 2020 14:07 (two weeks ago) link

i devoured molesworth's book on the topic. these days i'm less interested in the actual episodes than its implications for history and empire. i am not sure i would have known about the turkish invasion of cyprus if not for "the reign of terror"!

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 10 May 2020 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

took me a few days to catch up with Sunday's tweetalong: the new Zygon Isolation mini-ep was released as an intro, with Osgood and Osgood in a Zoom meeting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XhhdxTJbeY

and Harness' tweets included a variety of deleted script excerpts. Here's one which used exposition about The Day of The Doctor to bring the previous 3-D multi-Doctor anniversary special into proper canon:

Here's that bit: #TruthOrConsequences pic.twitter.com/Z5gJJBO7KN

— Peter Harness (@mrpeterharness) May 10, 2020

(The only telly Dr Who made by the BBC between 1989 and 2005 was a two-parter 30th anniversary story where Sylvester McCoy, Colin Baker, Peter Davison, Tom Baker and thirteen companions spanning 1963-89 were time-trapped into the setting of BBC soap opera Eastenders. It has never been repeated, and will never be released for sale.)

Elon's musk (sic), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 08:37 (one week ago) link

A good deletion.

wasdnous (abanana), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 09:37 (one week ago) link

^^ oops, Pertwee was in that too

Elon's musk (sic), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 09:51 (one week ago) link

More fun bits:

A UNIT gag that never made it in:

THE DOCTOR: Do you have a partner? Boyfriend, or -?

OSGOOD: (shakes head) You kind of give up on dating if you have anything to do with UNIT.#continuityobsession #TruthOrConsequences

— Peter Harness (@mrpeterharness) May 10, 2020

Here's Bonnie being rude about Scandinavia. #TruthOrConsequences pic.twitter.com/fohL0xw94L

— Peter Harness (@mrpeterharness) May 10, 2020

(Harness wrote Wallander.)

Rebecca Front's soldier was originally the Brigadier! From back in the days before the BBC was ruined by SJW agendas forcing them to recast traditionally male roles with black women.

Harness dressed as the Fourth Doctor. Harness dressed as the Seventh Doctor.

The "Doctor Funkenstein" reference has an extra joke hidden inside.

Elon's musk (sic), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 10:06 (one week ago) link

I was so busy looking for a dirty joke in the UNIT gag that I missed the actual joke

DJP, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 14:38 (one week ago) link

And after the episode commentaries, Harness posted several pitches he'd made for episodes before Moffat pitched him the Zygon story. Including a Meddling Monk story where he's listening to disco in his TARDIS, goes to 1917 to play "Ra-Ra-Rasputin" for the lols, accidentally buggers up human history, and has to regenerate into Rasputin to set things back on course.

The Meddler to be played by Matt Berry. When the pitch was rejected, Harness started a novelisation of it instead, which he also tweeted the first page of.

Haha! Thank you so much. Yes, maybe it'll happen one day. Every time he gets shot, poisoned or thrown in a river, he just has to sigh irritatedly and regenerate into himself again!

— Peter Harness (@mrpeterharness) May 11, 2020

Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 19:35 (one week ago) link

i enjoy the idea of the meddling monk as the doctor who equivalent of the hamburglar

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:05 (one week ago) link

robble robble

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:05 (one week ago) link

:D

meddle meddle

Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 14 May 2020 05:03 (one week ago) link

next two tweetalongs are

Sunday 17th May: The Fires Of Pompeii, with writer James Moran and two Roman ladies tweeting. 7pm BST / 11am PDT, hashtag #VolcanoDay

Saturday 23rd May (the "half-anniversary" of Dr Who): An Adventure In Space And Time, with Gatiss and Sacha Dhawan tweeting. Same time, hashtag #London1963

Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 14 May 2020 08:19 (one week ago) link

I don't recall "pompeii" being very good. Mostly notable for the guest stars.

wasdnous (abanana), Thursday, 14 May 2020 08:54 (one week ago) link

It’s mostly good for establishing Donna as the Doctor’s conscience

DJP, Thursday, 14 May 2020 12:25 (one week ago) link

Not much to the content today, just the writer and actors having a nice time rmemebering, but here's an interesting tweet from Moran, and the new sequel mini-ep

You can thank Russell for the Welsh gags and the water pistol too - even though when he rewrites, he copies your style, it's BIZARRE but brilliant, feels like you've written it yourself in your sleep... #VolcanoDay

— James Moran (@jamesmoran) May 17, 2020

Bleeqwot (sic), Monday, 18 May 2020 08:34 (one week ago) link

Added this week: Listen watchalong on Wednesday, usual times, with Moffat back at it again, plus director Douglas Mackinnon (who also did half of Jekyll, a bunch of other Who from 2008 to 2015, all of Good Omens, and won an Emmy for the Victorian Sherlock special).

https://i.imgur.com/5eMKA9R.jpg

Bleeqwot (sic), Monday, 18 May 2020 21:13 (one week ago) link

A new thingy by Moffat online at 6pm UK time, another thingy (probably a comic) online after the ep, by James Peaty (dunno) and former DWM comic drawing bloke turned storyboard artist Mike Collins.

Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 08:31 (five days ago) link

hard to believe Listen is an episode of the same show as The Ghost Monument (I had to look up the title of the latter)

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 08:52 (five days ago) link

Great ep, good tweets so far - in this list if people want to catch up later.

(BTW Amaz0n is usually making the single episodes free to purchase and "keep" on the day of the twootalongs - that's a $7.99 saving today, for some reason.)

The new Moffat piece was a Listen-themed poem.

Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 18:28 (five days ago) link

Some highlights from the commentary:

Moffat:

Okay, the answer to the most regular question I get about Listen is ... "No, of course not. He was sitting IN FRONT of the lamp!" Honestly, you people!

https://i.imgur.com/T8D8JCx.jpg

Now I've probably said this before (I've said most things before) but I was missing the Russell days when I got to write a quirky one in the middle. So employed myself back into my old job!

And of course it was the cheap one (any minute now we'd be firing Cybers out of St Paul's) and I fancied doing one of those again. But here's the thing - I HAD TO CUT A WHOLE SCENE FOR THE BUDGET. Which I'm about to post.

one page, another page

Mackinnon, who is from Skye:

Peter would introduce me to new people on set as, “This is Douglas, who has won a competition in the West Highland Free Press to direct Doctor Who for a day.”

Moffat:

I know it's not the sort of thing you're supposed to admit, but I really love this episode.

Please note a fundamental Doctor Who rule - it is catastrophic for anyone to meet themselves unless we totally feel like it. This has been bothering me since the climax to Mawdryn Undead.

Somewhere or other I wrote a very good explanation for why Orson has that space suit. It was very convincing. I wish I could remember it.

Mackinnon:

During much of prep this was as far as the delivered script went. Steven assured me that we’d been to all the locations required already, and that there would be no surprises…

He said we might need a barn, that’s all. We went out looking at various barns in Wales.

I think I got the rest the day before the readthru. You’ll never guess how I felt when the script said we were on another planet… the last planet.

Moffat:

This was one of the few scripts - possibly the only one - which I started without knowing how it would finish. It felt like the kind of story where you need to FIND the ending. At a certain point, I KNEW we had to get under the Dr's bed.

You see, Clara gets it right. It's not catastrophic meeting yourself, it's embarrassing. Time Lords are such drama queens.

"Fear makes companions of all of us!" The very first time the Dr is nice to anyone in Dr Who, those are his words (we had to wait till ep 3.) Always loved the line, and the kindness that first emerged with it. This was my love letter to it.

And in fact, I misquoted the line. Hartnell says "of all of us" and Jenna says "of us all." Knew it was wrong, but couldn't let go of the way I'd misremembered it for so long. Like, was the (Director General of the BBC) gonna fine me cos I misquoted Hartnell? Drunk with power, I was.

Three years later, Capaldi gave Moffat a script page from Listen on their last day working together:

https://i.imgur.com/BmnPwfH.jpg

Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:14 (five days ago) link

I think Listen is my favourite ep of post-2005 Who? Never really thought about it (what a poor fan) but I can't think of one I like more

umsworth (emsworth), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:41 (five days ago) link

‘hell bent’ for me

form of mouth device (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:48 (four days ago) link

ballot poll

Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 21 May 2020 20:37 (four days ago) link

most underwhelming rewatch yet on Tuesday: The Rings Of Akhaten, with the director, a special effects blokess, and Murray Gold tweeting commentary. 8pm UK, noon US leftard coast.

Bleeqwot (sic), Sunday, 24 May 2020 05:12 (yesterday) link


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