Black Acid Rock - S/D

You got a lot of fuckin information for free.based on what you said you wanted, for the most part.

are u guyz drunk? jason, said it was perfect. perfectly fucked. he's happy.

Speaking of black acid rock & Sly Stone and the relative lack of fuzz-guitars on the Family Stone records (hundreds of posts ago), howbout the amplified-harmonica-wah-wahed-all to hell that Sly played throughout "Don't Call Me Nigger, Whitey" and "Sex Machine"? That was a WILD sound! Further out than Frampton's talkbox, even. How come nobody else ever pursued that sound? (At least to my knowledge.)

You guys have covered Love already, right? Seems to me that Arthur Lee sounded blacker as the guitars got noisier. At least up until his '72 solo LP, which I've never heard.

(Onward I go, to Chuck's dub metal thread)

Not to be pedantic, but David Axelrod and Galt MacDermot (correct spelling) are white.

I third whoever said Blo. Also, check out the Nigeria 70 comp on Strut and the Ghana Soundz comp on Sound Way.

Yeah, seriously Jason, what the fuck is wrong with you dude?? Galt MacDermot and David Axelrod are WHITE!! Get those mofos the FUCK off this thread.

Uh, what part of Black Acid Rock don't you understand?

oh, I understand it! although, I'm not sure I understand how a couple horn drenched african beat groups fit the bill. (what I *really* don't understand is the idea that there are no female guitar "virtuosos", but that's neither here nor there.)

I was just amused that you seemingly missed the 100 or so posts where everyone just sort of goofed around and played around with the idea of the racial boundary, and you went straight after Jason's first post on the thread -- written well over a year ago -- where he was basically feeling out the territory and looking for recommendations. And you used that irritating "I don't want to [x], BUT" construction. And Chuck already made the same point you did anyway, except funnier. The whole thread had a nice arc and teleology, winding up with Jason's "perfectly fucked" comment -- and provided many laffs along the way. Don't take my silly post as anything more than another grenade lobbed in that general direction.

I started reading this thread, went to dinner (w/ four beers), came home, watched a TiVoed 'Queer Eye' and drank two more beers. Various notes made during visits to this thread:

I'm in the Chuck/Don camp, which is to say I agree in a let-a-thousand-flowers-bloom sense with what George said on the first Funkadelic album (on two separate cuts): "Loan me yr funky mind so I can play with it, FOR NOTHING IS GOOD UNLESS YOU PLAY WITH IT."

New Kingdom rules. Justin Warfield, in my opinion, never got fucked up enough to realize he was playing music in the first place.

The Slash/GNR thang is obviously gamin' on ya, but didn't his dad do art direction for 'Court and Spark,' come to think of it? One thing to think of: Slash might well have been like Martin Chambers, who once noted that he never knew what the words to Pretenders songs were . . . which obviously never kept him from doing his job in 10/10 fashion.

Weird, but I keep reading "Rusty Bryant" as "Rusty Warren."

this thread is full of people spouting some sort of 'hip retro 70s slang'. strange reading.

that aside, im with whoever doesnt get how afrobeat is in this thread.

Dick, your ears are as grey as your show (treatment of women always v. etro on there too, despite over-all fresh-for-TV-anywayness.)

i listened to that BLO cd last night, and besides that one track with the fuzz guitars, i wasn't really feeling it

i have a show?!

do some slapstick, ya lovable alkie!

*does the black acid rock dance with chuck eddy*

b-b-but you guys are white!?

(right?)

*does the white acid rock dance to cover up*

well actually, i dont know about chuck but im not white.

i'm white but i'm also from detroit if that matters.

not that it matters of course, but:

being a white guy from detroit (like, um, jack white) = less white/a different kind of white guy?

I was just listening to New Kingdom's Paradise Don't Come Cheap this morning. I went to see them once (opening for the Red Aunts, at Maxwell's), but only one of them showed up. I was really pissed, too; I hear they had a lap steel guitar player in their live band.

At the risk of un-fuckery: Anybody ever heard Hanson, a group that released a couple of LP's on Manticore (Emerson Lake & Palmer's label) in the early 70s? They were a black power trio led by a guitar player named Junior Hanson, and the one album I've got gets funky & fuzzy in places, & sometimes verges on a Mahogany Rush level of psych-ness. Not the most killer album on the shelf, but it definitely has moments that sound like Black Acid Rock.

i hear the youngest one is really blossoming!

Hey now!

Commodores "Machine Gun," maybe?
And Hot Chocolate, "Heaven is in the Back Seat of My Cadillac"? (okay, maybe that one's stretching things even by my standards.)

Jeepers, I missed this thread and then some.

dr. israel (at least the album where he covers black sabbath)

I kept thinking I was the only one who knew about this album!

Has anyone mentioned the Veldt yet? (Besides me, right this second.)

Scott OTM about that Divine Styler album, as with the New Kingdom one.

i have the Divine Style album. its freaky stuff .. i need to get that one out and rediscover as i was expecting a hip hop album (a la Word Direct on mo'wax) and its anything but so it got filed away .. but now i am much more interested .. also .. deffo on the New Kingdom tip. i mean show me another hip hop album that namecheck Foetus and Jamie Hewlett. this alone indicates where their heads were at. superb albums .. both of them ..
re Justin Warfield .. he's still at it .. up til recently in Tape who were more in the heavy stoner rock tip .. a nice few mp3's but now all burnt up. anyone got more detail on his recent whereabouts ..(other than tha placebo/LHB appearance etc)
ta. mark e/ireallylovemsuic

the last i heard from the new kingdom dudes was when they were on that Ice album a while back.

here's what i wrote about divine when i reviewed his last album:

On his debut 10 years ago, Divine's acid-drenched linguistic seminars were already fully formed— one song's centerpiece was the sound of an extremely painful childbirth. But it was 1992's Spiral Walls Containing Autumns of Light that would make Divine a household name (at least in houses where all the scary drugs were). It still stands as the most deranged and psychically damaged rap record of all time. It's a harrowing and epic tale of the war between Satan and God for Divine's soul and the inner torment he goes through in order to achieve wisdom and enlightenment . . . oh, and be careful of gothic stonecutters, too. At times funky and beautiful, there really isn't anything else like it (not even that time the Jungle Brothers were picking up bad habits from Bill Laswell). You had to worry for the man's mental health— even his mommy wonders at one point if he's "psycho-spastic."

okedoke. now tell me more re Jungle bros vs Bill Laswell. as i have a fair bit of the laswell tainted hiphop stuff .. been a while since i dug it though as i go through periods of complete disinterest with laswelf stuff ..

a tad dated. i wrote that in 99. but my hyperbole is timeless! maybe ned would be nice enough to link what he wrote about divine as part of his best of the 90's thing that he did. i'm a big cheerleader for that album. i used to buy copies on ebay for a dollar and give them away to people who i thought my appreciate it. i still have 5 or 6 copies.

divine himself downplays the whole "losing his mind" thing when it comes to that record. but if it was all an act, it was quite an act! divine and his krew where even grungier than the jungle brothers. they had the greatest rolling-around-in-the-dirt acid-rap look. check out everlast's "i got the knack" video for evidence. (the one where they are slam dancing and nowhere near the poetic demigod with skin that's fair.)

well, everyone should own a copy of j beez with the remedy. it's amazing. and acidic as well. i think they said they were tripping a lot around that time. they used his studio i think, and took advice from him. there is some great noise/musique concrete moments on that album. as well as great beats and good rap moments as well.

i have one song from the aborted album the JBs did with bill laswell. there was a 12" released from the same sessions on the indie brooklyn label wordsound a few years back.

it's a good drug album. i mean, most rap albums are good drug albums, especially if you smoke pot, cuzza the repetitions of beats/loops/samples and cuz so many of them are made under the influence. but that jungle bros album goes above and beyond good stoner music. it's pretty deep. and fun as hell. and noisy.

ta. wasn't aware of the connection. will look out for that. i only have that pretty dire JB album on Gee Street with Propellerheads .. and i aint liking it too much ..
xpost .. wordsound .. lovely .. Scotty Hard solo album must be along these grooves of the thread ?

i would looooove to hear more stuff from that time-period. only some of it ended up on that album . they should put out some basement tapes.

hey scott, do you have the whole JBs+laswell album?

i love jbeez with the remedy, the last good LP they made was the raw deluxe one, but theyve fallen off terribly since then.

no, i don't have it. i'm sure someone does. i was just talking about the stuff that did end up on remedy from their mad late-nite studio sessions. and yeah, i can't say that i've heard much of their post-remedy stuff.

if you guys like the JBeez wit.... album, check out prince pauls psychoanalyis.

ha, i was just gonna post about the prince paul!

that's a great album.

mahmoud ahmed.
if you dig the funkadelic and haven't heard this guy yet, go git some.

also, the album "gris gris" by dr. john, is kinda dark, swampy, fuzzy voodoo type action. don't remember any real freakouts on it, but haven't heard it for a long time.
and yeah, he's white....

...so is BlackAcidRock that's WhiteAcidRock more BlackAcidRock than BlackAcidRock that's BlackAcidHipHop?

Yall know I was talking about FUNKY FUNKY DETROIT and FUNKY FUNK DETROIT in previous posts. There's also a couple reissues on Chicagos' Hefty Records, by this Motown session muso, Phil Ranelin. He's doing the late 60s/early 70s funky cosmo, but also his session-discipline mostly keeps things entertaining (some session musos just want to jam or run off at the mind, when they get their own session, but Phil's not like that, too much. It is jazzy though, if that's aproblem look out.

There are like, oh I dunno, 10 million comps in the vein of the "funky delicacies" stuff. That stuff is more just your Brownian funk 45 diaspora to me. Not quite so lysergically addled. To me, anyway.

Not addled, but gamin on ya! Speaking of that, Eminem b mind-epanding, and sounds e-addled (e containing *some* 'delicacies, or supposed to), and, according to eyewitnesses in his "Driven" (VH-1 series on how stars scuffled!), has indeed frequently partaken. He's also mid-expanding, but mostly for rock critics. Stooges! Now, this old black lady who bills herself as The Blues Bitch came into my record store while we were featuring FUNHOUSE, and she immediately started playing air bass with Dave Alexander (RIP I think. If he had made it to RAW POWER, especially the re-mastered un, that would ahve been some literally grimey acid x lude rock: psychedelic enough for your ass.

did I miss the post where someone mentions Love? because, y'know, yeah. if I did, that's fine. I'm going to bed.

RIP, Dave Alexander!! Is he really dead?? Should I have known that? I can't remember. Well, fuck me up the ass. That's actually what this guy wanted to do to me tonight at the Frankie Knuckles concert but I had to tell him I don't swing that way. Nice kid, totally broke my heart. My old high school drinking buddy Tom O'Quinn spent a summer caretaking his GF's parents house in fuckin' Tecumseh, Michigan, the happenist place on earf. We used to get hella wasted and one time we blew out the sterio system cranking "If YOu want Blood" (the song, tnot the live LP) at maximum volume. Anyway, Ron Asheton hisself came by one day to film a scene for the Troma flick, WEndigo. True fuckin' story. They changed the name for the DVD, tho -- called it Frostbiter, which is way fuckin' lamer.

Anyway, Electrostatic and Soul Patrol are the bestest labels for all y'alls funky 45 needs. That's what I've found over the years.