quick survey ... what proportion of your CD collection is "pirated"?

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I don't think we've done this before,

counting my original CDs, and my homemade one's, I'd say I have around 480 original CDs and about 120 home burned ones.

So about a 6th of the music I possess on CD is pirate

NB : this ignores some errors like the fact some homeburnt CDs have tracks from boughts CDs; some of the bought CDs are my wife's; and ignores my entire cassette collection.


Still, what's the proportion for everyone else?

phil jones (interstar), Friday, 31 January 2003 10:34 (twenty-three years ago)

pretty low. but then this may rise over time

the effect of file sharing for me is not that pirates will overtake bought, but that the whole amount will shrink. the "i wonder what thats like" purchases have now stopped. ive spent too much money on cds this way. now i download, find out what somethings like. more than 80% of my downloads are headed for the recycle bin. and i will now only buy cds i KNOW i will like a lot

gareth (gareth), Friday, 31 January 2003 10:43 (twenty-three years ago)

[aside] compare methods of listening to music

phil jones (interstar), Friday, 31 January 2003 10:54 (twenty-three years ago)

the effect of file sharing for me is not that pirates will overtake bought, but that the whole amount will shrink.

Actually, how is this different?

phil jones (interstar), Friday, 31 January 2003 10:59 (twenty-three years ago)

in that i wont have shelves and shelves of pirated cds

the proportion will remain similar

the amount kept will be less

most of my mp3s i get rid of after 2 days because i dont like them

gareth (gareth), Friday, 31 January 2003 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a tiny handful of pirated CDs.

I don't hold with burnt CDs.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 31 January 2003 11:10 (twenty-three years ago)

i only have a few pirated CDs - a couple of bootlegs (one of which is *ga-ding* No New York). Downloaded music however is growing by the day. That said, I still buy CDs, sometimes I wonder why...

nathalie (nathalie), Friday, 31 January 2003 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a few CD-r's. I would have a lot more if I could be arsed to use the technology.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 31 January 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

627 CDs, not one of them pirated. 30-odd bits od vinyl, not one of them burnt (though some deserve to be). A stack of CDR's of my brother's band, maybe 20 or so, but they're all original material by him so they don't count. If I ever get CDR's before an album comes out, they get passed on to mates when I either Like the album enough to buy it or dislike i enough to get rid of it.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Friday, 31 January 2003 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Probably only 5% - a few that mates have burned for me and a few I've copied from my brother. And only 2 bootleg CDs.

If I really like something I'll probably buy it even if I've got a burned copy. Same with tapes.

In this context is it 'burned' or 'burnt'? 'Burned' sounds more right even though it's probably wrong.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 31 January 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't afford to be a purist when so much free music is available for what is conceivably a limited time. I live in eternal fear that file-trading will at some point become a thing of the past, so I'm stocking up while I can. At present count, I've got 1800+ CDs, about 70% of which are pirated. I love this feeling of infinite options, that at any given time I have access to hundreds of albums I haven't heard yet. Jorge Luis Borges' famous quote-- "I have always imagined that paradise will be some kind of library"-- carries a lot of resonance for me.

For the record, when I really love an album (which is often), I'll go out and buy it or order it online. So my actual store-purchased CDs are easily growing now at a faster rate than ever before, even if it still has nothing on the rate at which I trade and burn CDs. I justify it by telling myself that it's my duty as an editor to be as informed as possible, but really it's pure greed.

Ryan Pitchfork, Friday, 31 January 2003 12:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Very little ... around 1% of 1500 or so.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 31 January 2003 12:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I have about 100 out of 1500 ... but many of them are pirated CDs of LPs that I own... And I copied them to save myself the trouble of transferring vinyl to CDR - the CD quality is not important to me - only the convenience of the format. I figger since I already bought the license, I'm not really pirating anything.

dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 31 January 2003 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

1000+ LPs/CDs, and six CDRs (two of which I bought the albums the week after making the CD). I actually made a CDR last night, so that number might jump, but listening to how flat some of the material was due to digital compression and one song was a glitchy cuz someone used a shitty encoder (sure it's not listenable, but at least it was done at 224kbs!), probably not.

Vic Funk, Friday, 31 January 2003 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

i myself have few burnt albums. but i know someone who owns about 700 cds... over 500 are cdrs.

cecilia, Friday, 31 January 2003 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

More than 50% of a pretty reduced "collection".

Actually, mp3 and CD-burning made me even more CD-phobe than before. I became the kind of person who doesn't want to buy an album only relased on CD. I'd rather spend days and weeks on soulseek to find it for free and burn it on a cd-r, without a booklet or other shit like that. I think the small size of a CD and its industrial, cold plastic packaging makes him perfect for a copy, with the name and title hand-written on the disc, but is definitely not compatible with the idea of a properly manufactured original album. Vinyl should be the only "official" format to release music.

Etienne Menu (Etienne), Friday, 31 January 2003 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I have about 6000 CDs on my shelves, maybe two of which are unauthorized burns of a commercially available CD (and I can't think of what they'd be). There are a lot of bootlegs (i.e. stuff that is not currently officially available), and a whole lot of mix CDs, but I don't think those count as "pirated."

Douglas (Douglas), Friday, 31 January 2003 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

There are a lot of bootlegs (i.e. stuff that is not currently officially available), and a whole lot of mix CDs, but I don't think those count as "pirated."

I'd like to count the mix CDs.

phil jones (interstar), Friday, 31 January 2003 14:17 (twenty-three years ago)

ouch !

I'd say I have around 480 original CDs and about 120 home burned ones.

So about a 6th of the music I possess on CD is pirate

Let's rephrase that with better maths shall we ...

So about a 5th of the music I possess on CD is pirate

phil jones (interstar), Friday, 31 January 2003 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

i've probably got about 15 cd-rs,out of a couple of hundred cds
loads of copied tapes from a few years ago though,not so much any more

robin (robin), Friday, 31 January 2003 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

less than 2% -- many of those are mixes, but individual titles and bootlegs account for only a few dozen.

I just yesterday got a CDR of Boards of Canada's Twoism -- i don't know if the guy who burnt it's a hack, but i've only found one disc player that'll spin it (not that it's so great, either).

Maybe my moral high ground is just draining my wallet, but i think the artists deserve their little chunk of royalty from my purchase.

christoff (christoff), Friday, 31 January 2003 14:37 (twenty-three years ago)

If boots and home-made compilations don't count, about 1% of my cds, all gifts from my mother-in-law. Including comps and boots, about 10%. (I have only very few vinyl boots).

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 31 January 2003 15:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Out of about 1400 cds, less than .01% are CDRs.

I've only made a couple from downloading, mostly because they just are not available like Shellac's "Futurist" (paired with some 7"s I couldn't find), a cd of odd Tortoise tracks I couldn't get, and some Richie Hawtin remixes which are not out on CD. I'd probably purchase them if they were compiled and released, as these are MP3s made off of vinyl releases, so the quality really varies.

I made these a couple of years back when the Napster thing was just getting going and haven't even really looked for anything as such for well over a year or so. I'm on a dial up and don't really have the time or interest to track down more things via the web.

I've got around 300 lps and a box of 7"s, but none are boots as far as I know.

A couple of my krautrock Cds, like the Neu! and maybe a couple of others are of possible questionable origin, as they are oddball imports.

earlnash, Friday, 31 January 2003 15:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Less than 2% (the last few being compilations of the few good tracks from a bunch of not-so-great-overall CDs that I traded back)

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 31 January 2003 15:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I have about 600 CDs now, and of those I can only think of 2 that are CD-R burns of complete albums, add in a few mix CDs and I'm still under 1% pirated stuff.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 31 January 2003 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)


pretty small. perhaps 20 out of 600 or 700 cds or lps. i have a bunch of mix cds... maybe 20 of those. so you might say i have 40... but some of that stuff is out of print and i don't feel like i'm really pirating in that case, because i'm not really robbing a label or artist of a sale.

m.

msp, Friday, 31 January 2003 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)

maybe around 10 things out of much more (6,000+), including CDs and LPs, and all of them because they were out of print or bootlegs of live shows -- this does not include bootlegs that I bought again once they came out legit.

jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 31 January 2003 17:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I would say less than 1%.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 31 January 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Not very many maybe about 10% of my discs are copies. I usually try to buy Cd's that are on little labels and/or bands I want to see get some $$. As for the Majors- burn baby burn.....

brg30 (brg30), Friday, 31 January 2003 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I have about 150 CDRs vs 5000 CDs. So, 3%.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 1 February 2003 04:03 (twenty-three years ago)

250 CDs versus about 30 CDRs. About half those CDRs
are mp3 CDs, with albums, so I'd estimate that
with mp3s my ratio is about 35% pirated. And although
the ratio has gone up, my physical CD buying habits
have only slightly slowed.

Squirrel_Police, Saturday, 1 February 2003 06:02 (twenty-three years ago)

~187/~300 though I hardly listen to any of them (burned or not, actually)

Leee (Leee), Saturday, 1 February 2003 07:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm similar to Doug, I suppose. I have about 2,000 CDs and possibly 60 of those are CD-R burns. (The vast majority of those were made for me by friends.)

Amateurist (amateurist), Saturday, 1 February 2003 07:30 (twenty-three years ago)

1/1000, roughly

felicity (felicity), Saturday, 1 February 2003 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

25% maybe.

I expect the proportion to remain pretty constant.

I buy a hell of a lot more CDs than most people I know (not counting ILMers)

mei (mei), Saturday, 1 February 2003 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Stay, we must not lose our senses!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 1 February 2003 17:42 (twenty-three years ago)

zero% of CD collection of four hundred+ discs is pirated.

but I do have three and a half thousand mp3s.

RJG (RJG), Saturday, 1 February 2003 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

sub 1% (out of something like 2500 CDs), but like RJG, I have beaucoup d'MP3.

doug (doug), Saturday, 1 February 2003 18:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I have only a few CDs that people have burned for me (maybe as few as three), and a handful of CDs I know to be pirated (like copies of the first two Kraftwerk albums, which I didn't even know were unofficial releases when I bought them). That's it.

Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 1 February 2003 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

so, do we all hate ryan pitchfork? is he a flithy spurious-quotin' thief?

zemko (bob), Saturday, 1 February 2003 18:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a lot albums on blank tapes (60+), but that's because I copied a hell of a lot from the college radio station when I graduated. I definitely have under 30 CD-Rs. Though the numbers would invert if I had a burner. The CD-R's were all gifts from friends. Oh, and three cassette bootlegs (Fugazi, Pavement, Replacements), picked up on three different trips to Boston.

But I still have just under 1000 records, normal CDs and tapes, and I still buy albums for real so I doubt I'll ever have more "pirated" material than legit.

Um, unless you count promos and used stuff...I wouldn't be surprised if only half of my purchases resulted in royalties for the artist.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 1 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

The only CD-Rs I own are either live bootlegs or compilations of out of print material. (i.e., a CD-R of the Black Flag "Complete 1982 Demos" and a CD-R compiling a bunch of Pavement EPs and singles.)

Ian Johnson, Saturday, 1 February 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

zero. I only download songs to listen to them on my computer, not burn them.

Curtis Stephens, Saturday, 1 February 2003 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I have 1000 cds and enough mp3s to fill 5 more, so a very, very small proportion of my music is "ripped" and I think that only my copy of "Parallel Lines" is a cleverly disguised chinese counterfeit.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

992 original cd's, 2 CD-r (my copy of MACHINA II - as it is material given away by the band, it doesn't account for piracy), some hundreds of b-side, compilation, rare & unreleased tracks on mp3.
Sometimes I copy cd's to mp3 but only for evaluation. If I like it, I'll buy it.

JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)

i forgot to point out upthread that all bar 2 of my CDRs are comps made from stuff i already own

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 3 February 2003 02:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Mostly ye olde CDs. But this may change.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 02:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm, the Streets and Rickie Lee Jones, that's about it.

bobby j, Monday, 3 February 2003 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

every time i worry that i have too many cds i come to my senses after reading these types of threads. 5000? yikes!

keith (keithmcl), Monday, 3 February 2003 03:33 (twenty-three years ago)

i won't tell you about my vinyl then..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 3 February 2003 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

i forgot to point out upthread that all bar 2 of my CDRs are comps made from stuff i already own
Thats probably true for alot of people, but ask the RIAA if they care.
Bastards.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 February 2003 17:56 (twenty-three years ago)

How can you have albums on blank tapes? Either they're blank or they're not!

matt riedl (veal), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

2.174 per cent pirated

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Monday, 3 February 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Apart from compilations I've put together from singles, I have 1 CDR out of about 230 CDs, all bought. That's the OST of "Ghost Dog: Way Of The Samurai" which only came out in Japan and costs about £30 on import. So about 0.4%.

Nick H, Monday, 3 February 2003 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Side question: How many of yer records are counterfeits?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i have one bootleg

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:15 (twenty-three years ago)

probably 50 CD-R burns of official releases so far, with a whole lot more to come. out of (a rough guess) 3500 CDs, so not a high percentage--so far.

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't really want to say (or count), but I think it is pretty high. I do buy tons of cds, but I may copy more.

A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 01:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I think I have maybe 1 or 2 cloned CDs from an official release that I don't own the real version of. From time to time I have at most 2-3 full length albums on MP3 but they never last more than a week or two; if I like it I aquire the real thing. If I don't it goes into the virtual trash can. I do have probably 500-700 CDRs of rare recordings (mostly live shows but also compilations of B-sides & the like) and then a couple thousand officially released CDs so my percentage is very low of pirated crap. And it would be even lower if I counted all the CDs that I've sold back over the years, which probably numbers above 1000 as well.

don weiner, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 04:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Mitigating factor: if I had another 200 gigs of hard drive space I would probably not ever delete anything.

don weiner, Tuesday, 4 February 2003 04:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Zero. I like having the actual liner notes to my music.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 04:47 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't consider "burnt" cd's part of my collection, i have approaching 20 gigabytes of MP3s on my PCs but i only burn something if i'm going to give it to somebody or need to listen to it on a stereo system. they're pretty much disposable.

fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Of approx 600 CD's - about 6 CD-R's, so %1
Of approx 500 albums - as far as I know, all legit.Same with about 100 singles and about 200 pre-rec cassettes.

Have about 75 x C90's worth of old stuff taped from radio though, or of CD's/albums that ppl copied for me - or selected tracks from ones I've borrowed from them.
(Have recently started using minidisc for this latter function - now have about 15 x 160 mins worth of this format.)

If I like most of the tracks on an album I've copied I will buy it eventually - although I do prefer to get it 2nd hand in that case - why bother paying full price when I've already got the music?
(& can anyone tell me what the structure/dissemination of money is in that 'resale' sphere ? Once a CD has been bought once at a major store that does the stock returns and sales figures for it - it does drop off the industry's radar, right?)

If I actually had CD-R facilities, broadband access, and the understanding of how to do all this downloading & MP3 malarky I'd be getting in there while the going's good. I'm anxious about buying anything on spec these days - and every now and then you find works that either pale after a few listens or that take a while to grow on you.

I'm pretty un-concerned about depriving the music industry of my £ - apart from some ingrained resentments and attitudes I need to question (concerning perceived (maybe just image bluster)wastage/decadence going on at certain levels, and daft prejudices about the extent to which it's all a 'proper job' anyway haha), I bet the big corps who own the labels also make money from blank media anyway, and the music industry should be shifting to a more song-based structure for purchasing, instead of trying to maintain their mark-up margin on formats alot of us don't want. It's not as if most albums are prog-rock symphonic extravaganzas - majority of pop/rock stuff is a chain of individual short-stories, not some vast thematic narrative....

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I forgot about a few other CD-R's that I rarely listen to, so it's probably more like 1-2% for me. This isn't counting MP3s on hard drive, but I don't usually download whole albums, only individual songs. And if I download something I like, I usually end up buying the album.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
I think it's time to redo this survey. Let's see if the proportion has gone up or down.

(Off to count my CDs)

phil jones (interstar), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:28 (twenty years ago)

This is just a rough count 'cuz I'm not quite sure how many CDs, LPs, etc. I own. Constant state of flux, so to speak, with the buying and selling and trading.
Rough count: 3,500 CDs, 1,000 LPs, and maybe 200 burnt CDs. So maybe 4 per cent is pirated, if my math is any good. Some of the CDRs overlap with the CDs and LPs; stuff I've bought after being impressed.

Binjominia (Brilhante), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:04 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it's because I'm still pretty young, but I really got into music when Napster was just taking off, so I guess the members of my generation have been conditioned to not care about liner notes or jewel cases. I bought CDs in middle school and my first year of high school, but after that I went all, uh, "digital". I can't imagine spending money on CDs anymore. The joy of listening to an album for me is not dampened at all by not having a legitimate physical copy.

However, I do buy old records all the time. They're cheap, fun to own, and won't go out of style (vinyl is classic, baby).

musically (musically), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)


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