Makers: Classic or Dud?

dud.

yeah total dud.

dud dud dud

but there is one song off rock star god an ex gf convinced me to like - the one that goes "knives...needles...bullets...blood..." - i forget what its called but its ok / fun enuff

early stuff was OK at best but with every album they released they got worse and worse.

nah, I don't know about the later stuff, but the s/t album with the big middle finger on the cover is really good. I'm not sure if it's their debut or not, but I would recommend it.

BornonthEfloor: Makers: Classic or Dud?
BornonthEfloor: my first contribution to ILM in weeks!
Hotel Opera: haha
Hotel Opera: I had to review one of their albums for PF once
BornonthEfloor: i had that album
BornonthEfloor: i traded it for something
BornonthEfloor: i dont remember what
BornonthEfloor: im just glad i dont have it anymore
Hotel Opera: i think i still have it somewhere!
BornonthEfloor: there were a few hot songs
Hotel Opera: i gave it a 3.8
Hotel Opera: I think i could've been meaner
BornonthEfloor: haha
BornonthEfloor: i remember i liked the slow song
Hotel Opera: truly Sub Pop's wilderness years
Hotel Opera: http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/m/makers/rock-star-god.shtml
BornonthEfloor: that album they released after looked much worse and seemed to end their career in music
BornonthEfloor: thats the one!
Hotel Opera: I love the fact that the review opens like a typical Pitchfork concept review, except I'm actually quoting the intro to the album
BornonthEfloor: verbatim?
Hotel Opera: yeah
Hotel Opera: the whole first paragraph
BornonthEfloor: jesus
BornonthEfloor: man that album sounds awful
BornonthEfloor: sounds like a real zero
Hotel Opera: yeah 3.8 was far too kind
BornonthEfloor: music is creul
BornonthEfloor: it can dupe you into thinking you are doing something good
Hotel Opera: yeah really
Hotel Opera: it's scary shit
Hotel Opera: i'm petrified about the idea of making a record
BornonthEfloor: its fucking russian roulette!
BornonthEfloor: i mean maybe if they makers kept it straight garage they'd still be around
Hotel Opera: look at the other Makers review in the PF archives: http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/m/makers/strangest-parade.shtml
Hotel Opera: it starts with a similiar intro as mine, except it's real!
BornonthEfloor: jesus they were allowed to make music after that???
Hotel Opera: yeah Sub Pop should've passed them down to whatever the Pacific Northwest indie equivalent of Koch would be
BornonthEfloor: man this is so depressing
BornonthEfloor: the makers are a case study of when things just dont go right with your band
Hotel Opera: this one got a 3.5, though...so at least they didn't get too much worse
Hotel Opera: I remember that Alternative Press was TOTALLY on their jock, too
BornonthEfloor: i'm going to allmusic now, i hope that is where it ends
Hotel Opera: 5/5 reviews and big features
BornonthEfloor: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70311062329392282&sql=Bu2jw7iaog71r
BornonthEfloor: !!!!!!!!!!!
BornonthEfloor: look at those stars!!!!!!!!
Hotel Opera: hahaha
Hotel Opera: and the AMG pick is the one i reviewed
BornonthEfloor: amazing
BornonthEfloor: but you know
BornonthEfloor: the only fair way to review a band is to start with someone who already likes them
BornonthEfloor: which is clearly where jim smith starts
BornonthEfloor: but whatever
BornonthEfloor: i dont knopw
Hotel Opera: hehe
BornonthEfloor: im drinking vodka i spent $15 on for less than half a liter
Hotel Opera: AMG's star system is out of control anyway
Hotel Opera: nice
BornonthEfloor: its noble
Hotel Opera: my one-beer buzz has pretty much worn off now
BornonthEfloor: thats like ratings for hardcore makers fans probably
BornonthEfloor: although
BornonthEfloor: if i liked the makers
BornonthEfloor: i dont know, i couldnt say
BornonthEfloor: hahaha
Hotel Opera: if you liked the Makers, you probably wouldn't want to start with their fruity 'psychedelic' album
BornonthEfloor: psychopasthisc czxzx sexualis seemed good enough
BornonthEfloor: you couldnt expect anymore from them than that
BornonthEfloor: a few catchy garage songs
Hotel Opera: oh god, there's a song called "sex is good food"
Hotel Opera: if I can find it I'm totally going to listen to it this weekend
BornonthEfloor: the makers dont have hardcore fans, do they?
Hotel Opera: i would hope not
Hotel Opera: just good ol' Jim Smith
BornonthEfloor: i think what drew me to them originally is that their name was similiar to the make up
Hotel Opera: it's really sick how I can't bring myself to get rid of CD's, not even worthless promo's like this
BornonthEfloor: i used to be like that
Hotel Opera: haha retro clothes! the word make!
Hotel Opera: that's why you bought M.A.D.E., isn't it?
Hotel Opera: haha
BornonthEfloor: i bought MADE out of sympathy for bleek.
Hotel Opera: hahah
Hotel Opera: he does look kind of sad on the cover
BornonthEfloor: i was okay with bleek before that
BornonthEfloor: no, he looks bewildered
Hotel Opera: haha "Too Many Fuckers (On The Streets)"
BornonthEfloor: HUH???????
Hotel Opera: i can't believe I didn't have more fun with the song titles in that Makers review
Hotel Opera: "When We Was Gods"
Hotel Opera: "Someone Else's Song"(!)
BornonthEfloor: :(
Hotel Opera: hehe and the AMG review points out the same Rocky Horror comparison i did, except favorably
BornonthEfloor: hahah
Hotel Opera: and I *like* a lot of the music in Rocky Horror
BornonthEfloor: hehe
Hotel Opera: man i'm surprised anyone even gave a shit enough to start an ILM thread on the Makers
BornonthEfloor: joke's on us! we've been talking about em for a half hour!
Hotel Opera: hahaha yeah
Hotel Opera: but it was entertaining at least
BornonthEfloor: i dunno i'm kinda sad about all this
Hotel Opera: i think the entertainment will come to a screeching halt as soon as i find and put on the record though
BornonthEfloor: im so glad i dont have that anymore
Hotel Opera: found it!
BornonthEfloor: oh no!
Hotel Opera: i'm tempted to stop the Ted Leo record and put it on right now
Hotel Opera: sorry, good retro, it's time for bad retro
Hotel Opera: hehe my roommate just came home and i instinctively turned down the Makers out of some deep embarrassment
BornonthEfloor: haha yeah
BornonthEfloor: i think i felt guilty to the person i traded it to
Hotel Opera: ooh, and the press one-sheet is tucked into the booklet
BornonthEfloor: haha nice
Hotel Opera: haha i just noticed the album's tracklist is seperated into halves
BornonthEfloor: oh no!
Hotel Opera: Part One: "Knives, Needles, Bullets and God"
Hotel Opera: Part Two: "How Hard Is Your Heart?"
Hotel Opera: jesus, how could I not use this in the review!?
Hotel Opera: dear Ryan Schreiber,
Included below are some new mean things I have to say about that Makers record, please revise my review accordingly, thx