Search and Destroy : Factory Records

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Following on from the Warp idea, what about the Manchester's house of Gloom. The Motown of Misery?

Here's the catch - Search for a neglected classic on Factory, EXCEPT FOR New Order and Joy Division. Destroy anything you like on the label.

My picks : Search for Section 25 "The Key of Dreams" (Blackpool's skewed take on Can) Destroy Durutti Column "Vini Reilly" (very boring)

Dr. C, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Search: Northside's Chicken Rhythms. Maligned, but I like it. Destroy: The whole Joy Division back catalogue (sorry to mention, but like you say, hard to remember anyone else on Factory.) Would mention Marc Riley and The Creepers but not entirely sure they were ever signed to Factory, but I would'nt put it past Wilson to give gainful employment to Smith's cast-offs.

Billy Bob Jethro Casper, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

A very good question.

Search: _The Key of Dreams_ is lurvly, but I'll pick either _LC_ by Durutti (if only for "The Missing Boy" alone) or Crispy Ambulance's _The Plateau Phase_.

Destroy: _Yes Please_ *was* terrible...but not as bad as anything by Revenge. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Search: FAC 8

Destroy: FAC 57
Oh they already have haven't they...

CarsmileSteve, Saturday, 17 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

search: "Pills, thrills & bellyaches", hail to the kings! House of gloom? Not on this fucked up record. destroy: any useless New Order side project.

Omar, Saturday, 17 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Marc Riley + the Creepers were never on Factory, William. They weren't very good either.

Northside, fookin 'ell! They were almost universally slagged off as the bottom of the 'baggy' barrel, but I remember getting the album for a couple of quid, and I agree it wasn't bad. Don't have it anymore, though, so I can't check.

Crispy Ambulance -I remember the Dave McCullough review in Sounds - he gave it five stars and said this it what The Doors would have sounded like had they continued into the early '80s! Dunno about that, but a fine record.

Other 'Searches' - Section 25 - "From the Hip" (proto doom-techo) 52nd Street - "Cool as Ice" (electro-phunk single) The Distractions - "Time goes by so Slow" (great beat-pop single) Happy Mondays - "The Egg" (on the 'Freaky Dancing' 12 inch. A street gang kraut-funkin' in a disused warehouse in Hulme. Their greatest moment.)

On the subject of The Mondays, I don't reckon 'Yes Please' is THAT bad actually. 'Angel' and 'Sunshine and Love' are good, and there's nothing dire on it. A let down after 'Pills' - yes.

Dr. C, Sunday, 18 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Search - "Here comes everybody" by The Wake (a joyless 40 minutes of mid 80s New Order style melancholy, very powerful and nobody cared at the time).

Rob M, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Search - "Here comes everybody" by The Wake (a joyless 40 minutes of mid 80s New Order style melancholy, very powerful and nobody cared at the time). Also check out early Bobby Gillespie songwriting efforts on their "Harmony" debut LP. - "Alma Mater" by Stockholm Monsters (pre-Mondays Mondays, very underrated) - ANY Durutti Column

Destroy - Any New Order records after 1985.

Rob M, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I wish somebody would re-release Alma Mater on CD. Maybe that bunch who do the Section 25/Crispys/Minny Pops stuff will get around to it. Stockholm Monsters made some awful singles though.

The Wake - sadly they haven't worn well in my eyes. "Harmony" has one GREAT track "An Immaculate Conception" which is by far the best thing they ever did. I'm afraid the rest of that album (and Here Comes...) sounds like every inept student Joy Div copy band did in 1982/3. I should know, I was in several!

Another Factory Search - The first two A Certain Ratio albums, especially "Sextet"

Destroy : All of Kalima (ACR's horribly bad sophisto-jazz alter egos). Crap.

Dr. C, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Search: OMD - "Electricity" - fantastic! "Electricity / Nuclear and HEP / Carbon fuels from the sea" It's a fourth-form geography lesson set to a Casio!

Anyway after you've searched for that one you can probably destroy it too.

Destroy: the time for a Northside revival is not now. Incidentally the glorious art of we-hate-this-band-let's-make-the-sleeve-as-shit- as-possible design sabotage LIVES AGAIN with the new Terrorvision record, a Chicken Rhythms for the 00s I believe.

Tom, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Search: ESG - "You're No Good" (12" single, 1981) [Come and see them at ATP, kids...]

Destroy: The Adventure Babies - "Laugh" (1992 album) [Wilson: "I've never been wrong about a band". I'll go and see the film if Coogan says *that line* over *this record*].

Michael Jones, Monday, 19 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Re, the Good Dr C...

My affection for the Wake may be because they soundtracked a particular part of my life and it suited me at the time. "Harmony" sounded more dated than "Here comes..." and I prefer the latter, but I have to admit that the stuff that came after it - "Something that no-one else could bring" EP and the first Sarah 45 and LP were far better, then they got all bitter and twisted and crap again.

Also, there are two albums before "Sextet", "To each" and the cassette only "The graveyard and the ballroom", which is a great record.

As to reissuing "Alma Mater", Factory Once were going to reissue "Alma Mater", "Here comes everybody" and "Pigs and battleships" (Quando Quango LP - great singles, shite album) around 1997, but the deal with London fell through just after the second Durutti re-issues so it was not to be. Shame.

Rob M, Thursday, 22 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Rob - oh yeah, forgot about "Graveyard". The live side of that is very good.

Dr. C, Sunday, 25 February 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

two months pass...
Destroy: The Railway Children.

Search: Take 5 by Northside. A great single which no one seems to remember.

Northside were pretty crap apart from that though. I saw them five years later playing at an Acid House/Indie-Dance retro-night to a small bunch of students in the upstairs room of the Arena in Middlesbrough. They had no new songs and after the show the singer, Dermo I think he was called, was skulking about trying to score some speed off the students (who were all kitted out in their older siblings cast-off baggy tops and Reni hats). If that's not "the bottom of the 'baggy' barrel" I don't know what is.

Scott, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Search: Take 5 by Northside. A great single which no one seems to remember.

I do remember it. In retrospect it was mainly notable for ripping off Boston's 'More than a Feeling' yet somehow failing to ignite the world's disaffected youth with the results, in the way a certain other band did a year or two later.

Taking sides Northside vs. Nirvana - now there's a battle.

Nick, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'Take 5' is better than 'Smells Like Teen Spirit'

Nirvana never had an album cover as embarrassingly awful as Chicken Rhythms, although Incesticide's is pretty bad.

Scott, Tuesday, 15 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four months pass...
Northside Rock! I love their album! Take Five, My Rising Star, Shall we take a trip and Funky Munkey are all baggy classics! :)

Rob, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

sometimes these questions are easy!

search: (nearly) all happy mondays records

destroy: James records.

gareth, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But both of the James records on Factory were (unlike what followed from them) actually GOOD, especially the second one. (Does that have 'If Things Were Perfect' on it? Off to look in cupboard.....

Dr. C, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ToM SeZ:

Search: OMD - "Electricity" - fantastic! "Electricity / Nuclear and HEP / Carbon fuels from the sea" It's a fourth-form geography lesson set to a Casio!

OH YES!!!!!! ESP. W/GLOSS BLACK WRITING ON MATT BLACK SLEEVE - THEE ULTIMATE FACTORY STATEMENT!!!!

Norman Fay, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Electricity" was *easily* the best OMD single, I'd say.

(oh and FWIW my favourite of The Hits is "Souvenir")

Robin Carmody, Friday, 28 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I had the palpatine thing out of the library once and I really liked a song called 'From a Hillside' (or somehing) but I don't know who it was by, who was it by?, search that, and anything by Vini Reilly, destroy anything by Blurt

dan, Saturday, 29 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's the majestic Section 25 doing "Looking From A Hilltop", Dan. From the album "From The Hip" (1984).

Dr. C, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

...and of course it was a single.

Dr. C, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Have always had a soft spot for the two Miaow singles on Factory and Cath Carroll's first solo alb, 'England Made Me'', although I wouldn't say any of 'em were exactly 'neglected classics.'

Andrew L, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Are we allowed to include Factory Benelux and Factory US as well? If so, I nominate the following. Go here for translations, if you can be bothered.

A Certain Ratio search: FACT16C, FACBN1-004, FACTUS4, FAC22, FACT35, FAC52, FACT55, FAC62-7, FAC62-12, "Saturn" from FACT65, FAC168

ACR destroy: the rest of FACT65, FAC72

Durutti Column search: FACT14, FBN2, FBN10, FACT24, FACT44, FACT74 (or FACDO74), FACT84, FAC114, FACT244 (and there are probably loads of Vini gems after this too, but I lost track of Factory about this time)

Other searches: FAC2 (for Cabaret Voltaire, mainly) FAC6 (OMD), FAC212 (Happy Mondays - "Wrote for Luck"), FACT256 (Rolf Hind), FAC257 and FAC287 (Electronic)

Destroy: FACT266 (Steve Martland)

Jeff, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, and my favourite non-disc Factory "production"? Well; the egg- timer comes close, but I think I have to go with FAC253

Jeff, Monday, 1 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jeff - I'm not sure which is worse, you for listing them that way or me for knowing them without having to look them up (and agreeing mostly too). We're as sad as each other.

Rob M, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Only just over six months late comes a response to Dr. C's comment on a reissue of "Alma Mater". According to the sleevenotes of the Les Temps Modernes compilation ("Night Watch"), a Stockholm Monsters reissue proved too difficult to co-ordinate as a result of misplaced mastertapes. This is something of a personal disaster for me.

Section 25 kept copies of their own mastertapes, apparently. That LTM comp came with a free CD of Section 25 live tracks and outtakes, by the way.

Tim, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

So, search: Stockholm Monsters mastertapes, I suppose. Destroy: "Harmony" by the Wake. That pesky Gillespie!

Tim, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Tim, you bring VERY bad news. I have been holding out hope for an Alma Mater reissue (including the singles) for a while now. To make matters worse, I don't even have a vinyl copy now. Having for some reason or other traded mine around 10 years ago. Gloom. Don't suppose anyone has one to sell?(There's nothing on Gemm or Netsounds)

Dr. C, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ditto... I'll treasure my copy of "Alma Mater" all the more now. Sorry, mine's not for selling.

Rob M, Wednesday, 3 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

How would I go about getting a copy of Northside's Chicken Rhythms

Sonny, Wednesday, 17 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one year passes...
I assume you're all aware by this stage that Alma Mater was finally re-released on LTM?

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 03:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

RE: The Wake - after aeons of searching, it turns out *they're* the band wot wrote/sang the song I was looking for here: C90 - Masturbation

Surely such a silly tune can't fit into all your "The Wake were dead miserable an' that" rhetoric?

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 04:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

They weren't that miserable really. There's a lot of weird, funny stuff in Caesar's lyrics. Their Sarah-era stuff is frequently quite silly, lyrically.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 04:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

My comments about The Wake's 'Harmony' were well wide of the mark upthread. I got the LTM reissue and it's really excellent - lots more space in the production than I remembered and pretty powerful.

Jim - yes, I have (re) bought Alma Mater and the other two Monsters reissues. Life will never be the same again.

Also coming on LTM - Minny Pops, Cath Carroll and Miaow.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 22 October 2002 07:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
The Wake worked better live than in studio - FAC production flattened the sound big time. LTM put some radio sessions and live recordings out. Nothing to write home about, but enough to give you an idea of the real potential of this band...then they moved to Sarah, started listening to the Pet Shop Boys, and it was all downhill from there.

AndreNY (AndreNY), Monday, 26 April 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

dave already mentioned this but...

The Distractions-Time Goes By So Slow

best single of all time.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 26 April 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link

I'm upset that LTM have delayed the re-issue of the first Minny Pops. I was led to believe it would come in the Autumn and now...

bimble (bimble), Monday, 26 April 2004 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Northside!

Felix Leiter (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahaha! I love how Northside revives this thread so much.

Search: LC, Another Setting, Pills 'n' Thrills, The Plateau Phase, half of ACR's output, Here Comes Everybody, Something That No-One Else Could Bring, too much else to think of right now...

Ian Riese-Moraine: the crown prince of understatement. (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Not sure what's the best thread for this, but some people might be interested...

http://www.lefantastique.net/factory/files/factory-yellow.jpg

baaderonixx, Monday, 29 October 2007 10:13 (sixteen years ago) link

And the full details are here: http://www.lefantastique.net/factory/index-en.htm

baaderonixx, Monday, 29 October 2007 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link

seven months pass...

You probably seen it all already, but just recently posted on YouTube:

FACT 125 Bessy talks Turkey
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S57QF9fCB44

NickB, Tuesday, 17 June 2008 22:55 (fifteen years ago) link

five months pass...

I want!!!

http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/factory_records_communications_1978-92_box_set.html

This has already been delayed twice. Looks like it may finally be happening come January. The tracklisting is different than Palatine and in my opinion better. Complied by Jon Savage, essay by Paul Morley, and artwork by Peter Saville. I hope it comes with lots of extra goodies.

leavethecapital, Tuesday, 25 November 2008 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

anyone following the cerysmatic factory board is probably aware now that tony's son found a bunch of factory master tapes in their house while clearing stuff out.. including section 25 and stockholm monsters (though apparently not the wake)

http://www.cerysmaticfactory.info/forum/view_post.php?thread=49756

Minister for Compression Issues (electricsound), Thursday, 11 December 2008 12:13 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Young Detroiters dancing to "Cool as Ice" at 1:20 or so (do not miss the choreographed routine from the women in red and white tights):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RMY99H70Ac

"Start a Search and Destroy: Factory Benelux thread," I know.

A Chuck Person's Guide to Mark Aguirre (Andy K), Saturday, 27 August 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

bunch of old tapes dug up, even the grouchy 80s kids can't help but get excited

sorry if there's a thread for this already. those early furs tapes, Jesus Christ I'd like to hear those.

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 15 August 2013 13:38 (ten years ago) link

mentioned on the martin hannett thread

sleepingsignal, Thursday, 15 August 2013 14:09 (ten years ago) link

i heard The Wake for the first time the other day! pretty cool. on cd. i have never ever seen wake vinyl in my life. they really didn't get over here. i see crispy ambulance and lots of other factory stuff too. maybe i just wasn't looking that hard...

minny pops album i have was another late discovery for me. never saw their stuff either. lucked into a copy. now i just need to find their other 3 impossible to find non-Factory albums.

scott seward, Thursday, 15 August 2013 14:30 (ten years ago) link

which ones you need Scott, I may know a guy

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 15 August 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link

oh wait misread, minny pops. don't have those, never mind

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 15 August 2013 14:49 (ten years ago) link

eight years pass...

So I had fun writing this up

https://theshfl.com/guide/factory-records

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 7 August 2022 20:35 (one year ago) link

So I had fun writing this up

https://theshfl.com/guide/factory-recordsπŸ•Έ


Thanks Ned!

its catalog numbers, famously, applied not just to music releases but everything from posters to packing tape to lawsuits to music press articles and more)

My favorite is Rob Gretton’s dental surgery got a FAC number as well. Can’t find the number at this moment.

Are U down with the BVM (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 7 August 2022 20:56 (one year ago) link

"not bad"

Haha

death generator (lukas), Sunday, 7 August 2022 21:01 (one year ago) link

great overview β€” also some "new" things to check out!

Thanks!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 8 August 2022 01:23 (one year ago) link


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