Recommend me a decent history of free jazz

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where can I find the best writing on this subject, book-wise? Preferably one that's entertainingly written and not just a record guide.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

as serious as your life by val wilmer

benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

if you can stomach the slight black nationalist/polemicism running through it...the latter part kinda spirals into theory too.

benito mussolinington (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Not what you're asking for, but in Art Taylor's interview book Notes & Tones he asks all the musicians what they think of "the new thing". This is all late 60's-early 70's, so the responses are pretty interesting and varied.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 June 2004 21:06 (twenty-one years ago)

damn, this person sure didn't like it.

" As Serious As Your Life, March 20, 2003
Reviewer: cellblock63 from Malden, Massachusetts United States
Val Wilmer presents a complete ignorant and biased review of the life of many key figures in the jazz movement. Her writing is more akin to a groupie trying to "suck-up" to her favorite group. With her "band chick" approach and total lack of knowledge about music, Wilmer manages to string along several stories about these musicians, in which each experience becomes granite evidence of the validity of their approach to music as welll as proof of Wilmer's superior knowledge of Jazz and music in general.
PLease!!!! Wilmer loves this music because it dispenses with such unnnecessary items as Harmony, Melody, Time, and general ability on the given instrument..making it a music analyzed only in superlatives.
Some of the information on Ed Blackwell is informative - but she manages to contradict herself on many occasions. For example...Tony Williams, in Wilmer's opinion is no longer important because he still plays time which in her opinion is useless. However, five stars for Ed Blackwell...come on Wilmer, he played more traditionally than Tony Williams ever did.
For fans of Jazz and so-called free jazz - spare yourselves the Wilmer - "I am in love with these sexy Black Musicians" approach. Poor. "

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I read As Serious As Your Life a long-ass time ago (20plus years) but I remember liking it. That review sounded like the work of some Amazon.com wannabe.
Four Lives in the Bebop Business by A.B. Spellman has a nice profile of Cecil Taylor. And Jackie MacLean, who's not exactly free jazz but did some righteous stuff on Blue Note like Destination Out and Let Freedom Ring.

lovebug starski, Tuesday, 29 June 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, that is an Amazon review, isn't it?

Tony Williams played free as well as anybody and time better than anybody, so I hope she's not hatin', but I'd still like to read this sometime.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

John Litweiler- The Freedom Principle: Jazz After 1958

He also wrote a biography of Ornette Coleman.

earlnash, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Anybody read this yet?

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/1844670031.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Can anyone recommend me a free history of decent jazz?

I have no idea what to do in a record store when confronted by the jazz section, and I think the only jazz I own is Miles Davis' Kind of Blue, Bitches' Brew, and a bootleg from 1960, and some dodgy compilations.

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

'if you can stomach the slight black nationalist/polemicism running through it...the latter part kinda spirals into theory too.'

Without looking at this thread I actually went out and bought a 2nd hand copy of the val wilmer this morning, but I read it a couple of years ago and I can't remember too much black nationalism.

Frank Kofsky's bk on coltrane is really full of it tho'. Music-politics are inseparable.

Andrew- I haven't but Ben is doing a reading of it on thursday at ray's.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

John Litweiler- The Freedom Principle: Jazz After 1958

Litweiler comes across as too much of a true believer in free jazz as the ultimate fulfillment of jazz's unfolding telos. I think it's worth looking at, but problematic.

Not specifically a free jazz history, but I like John Szwed's Jazz 101.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked Ekkehard Jost's Free Jazz, though it is pretty heavy on theory. Great discussion of the music it covers.

Erik Tripper (Erik Tripper), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I know it ain't jazz but since I just found out abt this a few mins ago:

http://www.matchlessrecordings.com/pub_set.html


Minute Particulars
meanings in music making in the wake of hierarchical realignments and other essays
Edwin Prévost

The only way we have any purchase on the world is by our own actions. And just the thought of the usual strategies for political and cultural response - applying the democratic process - in the face of the overwhelming odds of tradition and existing economic and political power is immobilising. Our activities must be closer to home, closer to our being. To borrow from William Blake: it is in the development of 'the minute particulars' that we have real power. As musicians our power is in how we decide to create sound. Now we place a sound next to another. How we chime with or divert a musical course in dialogue with others - while at the same time developing the structure, the nature and the dynamic of dialogue itself. As an audience too we must decide how we discern and positively support these practical efforts in music-making, and insist upon such aesthetic priorities. If these considerations begin to command our musical lives and even become the basis for musical appreciation and cultural critique, then the power of those who wish to do things to others is challenged by the determination of those who choose to do things with others.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, just watch Ken Burns' "Jazz", and let Wynton Marsalis disabuse you of the notion that free is anything but self-indulgent bullshit.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

ok dad.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't thank me, son, it's all on your good uncle Wynton. [puffs pipe contentedly to the opening bars of "Take Five"]

briania (briania), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/1930606001.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg ???

hmm (Keiko), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

My book isn't a history. It's a collection of profiles of currently active musicians.

Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

but you wrote it YEARS ago!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Litweiler's The Freedom Principle seconded, as a general run-through of most of the biggest names and pioneers. It's an enjoyable read, if you don't mind Litweiler's writing style being a bit...I dunno, impressionistic? Fanciful. (Actually, the guy writes suspiciously like a bit of a pothead.)

Actually, Ekkehard Jost's book will probably teach you more, although it is indeed quite theory-heavy, as previously stated.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd probably prefer the pot-head to the heavy theorist. That's just me though.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 30 June 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not a history of free jazz, but "stopping time", paul bley's autobiography, has lots of free jazz history in it, including a lot of stuff on how ornette started doing what he was doing in the late fifties. it's a great book and i'm sure you'd like it.

phil's book is very enjoyable as well.

dan (dan), Wednesday, 30 June 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

twenty-one years pass...

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djmartian, Thursday, 16 October 2025 12:55 (eight months ago)


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