TS: Liverpool Vs. Manchester

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Now the the grand battle of the Midlands.

Liverpool hosts the following lineup:
The Beatles, Gerry & The Pacemakers, Billy J. Kramer & The Dakotas, The Searchers, Elvis Costello, Echo & The Bunnymen, Teardrop Explodes, Wah!, W.A.S.P, OMD, Flock Of Seagulls, China Crisis, The Icicle Works, Frankie Goes To Hollywood, Dead Or Alive, The Cult, The KLF, Christians, Lightning Seeds, The Farm, Jesus Jones, Boo Radleys, The La's, Cast, The Coral among others

Manchester hosts the following lineup:
The Hollies, Herman's Hermits, Bee Gees, 10cc, Buzzcocks, Durutti Column, Magazine, Joy Division, New Order, The Fall, The Smiths, Simply Red, The Chameleons, The Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, The Charlatans, A Guy Called Gerald, 808 State, Electronic, James, Inspiral Carpets, Northside, Paris Angels, Take That, The Verve, Chemical Brothers, Badly Drawn Boy, Elbow, Doves among others

Manchester also has a great football team. And as for Liverpool, I have heard a rumour about some guys playing football there too. Was it Everton that they were called? ;) But let's stick to music. Both of these Midlands cities have hosted an impressive bunch of bands throughout history. But which one is the best.

I find it hard to choose myself. Liverpool clearly had the best 60s, and also a bunch of interesting early 80s synth acts, not to mention Elvis Costello.
But I feel that maybe Manchester has been a bit stronger lately, so I think I'll go for Manchester overall.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

liverpool and manchester are not in the midlands

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely heard them mentioned as Midlands. I guess it depends on whether you count Scotland or not.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Regardless of the geography, I'd rather have my car stolen while at a gig in...... Manchester. As there seems to be less of an irritating skiffle influence on the mancs.

bg (creamolafoam), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The Cult were from Bradford, another city that isn't in the Midlands. Replace with... Sonia.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

And what the hell are WASP doing there? Replace with... the Lotus Eaters.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I vote for Manchester

Robin Goad (rgoad), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

regardless of who or what you count, liverpool and manchester are not the midlands.

inspiral carpets are from oldham, not manchester
the verve are from wigan, not manchester
jesus jones surely werent from liverpool!
w.a.s.p arent even british

get one map

charltonlido (gareth), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait there, Jesus Jones were from the West Country somewhere. Geir, are you on crack? Replace with... It's Immaterial

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NickB (NickB), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are the KLF Liverpool?

$V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish W.A.S.P. had been from Liverpool.

Geir you should continue to do these only if you get them even more ridiculously wrong next time e.g. 'so, representing the US West Coast: Lionel Bart, Manu Dibango, Mission UK and Serge Gainsbourg'

$V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Manchester also has a great football team.

yes, Psycho has certainly proven an inspired revelation as team coach.

$V£N! (blueski), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I fear that Manchester's heritage was hopelessly squandered in the 90s by Oasis and M People.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

W.A.S.P. - Animal (Fuck like a scouser, la)

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 12 May 2005 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Both are definately in the Midlands, irrespective of whether you count Scotland.

andyjack (andyjack), Thursday, 12 May 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Midlands! Not from where I'm standing (ie. in Manchester).

Both these fine cities are in the North West of England, this is an IRREFUTABLE FACT.

I'm a Manc, so obviously biased. Plus, there is a long and colourful history of rivalry between Mancunians and Scousers, but a simple proof of Manchester's superiority is provided by the following regional brew showdown:

Manchester's most famous drink = Boddingtons Bitter
Liverpool's most famous drink = mum's choice "Trampagne" Lambrini

Bill A (Bill A), Thursday, 12 May 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, it's not even a question. Liverpool and Manchester, great rivals, are indisputably in the North West of England. I've never, ever heard them referred to as being in the Midlands until today. Ever.

Anyway, I'd go with Manchester. Also, charltonlido, you're right, the Verve and Inspiral Carpets weren't from the City of Manchester, but, since Wigan and Oldham are in Greater Manchester, I think they still count. After all, your strict method would discount Brooklyn and Queens acts from being New York bands, right?

I'm a Manc (by birth) too, and as much as it pains me to say it, I have to point out (in an inexplicable burst of self-defeating fairness) that Liverpool FC are more successful than Manchester United, historically. But musically, after the Beatles and maybe Echo and OMD, Liverpool can't hold a candle to the likes of Joy Division/New Order, the Smiths, The Fall, the Buzzcocks, the Chameleons, etc. Even when Manchester loses points (Simply Red), they're balanced in the debit column by a Cast.

David A. (Davant), Thursday, 12 May 2005 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi, I'm Manc. Current Manc music is unspeakably bad, no ta Doves, bye bye BDB and our newest brightest hope, Nine Black Alps, are hailed as the harbingers of the grunge revival. Sorry world. (However, I think NBA will bomb spectacularly - they're too meek and steeped in authenticity and keepin it 'real' to ever attain bigness. Also, their manager tells them when to go to the toilet.)

But current Liverpool music is also dire, all this Coral business leaves me dry.

Overall I'll give my dues to L'pool for Teardrop, Echo, Wah!, Drummond (he lived in L'pool for awhile so give Geir this one k?), Flock Of Seagulls, ESPECIALLY Flock Of Seagulls, Frankie and the couple of good Costello singles. Manc has uh, some New Order and some Fall. Living here has made me numb to the greatness of Moz & Brown/Squire, every late 20s/early 30s failed musician/poet lives, breathes and bleeds them and it gets tiring.

HOWEVER, Manchester's clubscene is top dog. Whenever I've been out in L'pool I've only ever met people with big old chips on their shoulders whereas most Mancs are just big harmless show-offs. Er, most of the time anyway (cf: mugged, being taxed or getting done over. your stories.).

Affectian (Affectian), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Manchester also has a great football team.

I could have sworn Bury finished seventeenth in League Two.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, we do have the Bee Gees as our own (and round the corner from me, no less) but the average man on the street wouldn't recognise them as a 'Manchester Band' so I'm opting to ignore that. Plus, I forgot to mention that Liverpool has OMD.

Most annoying thing about Manc: fetishisation of the 'angry young man'. Being a swaggering yob is not. a. good. Of course, then we get the flipside which is the tortured lovelorn poet, which is. even. worse. At least Liverpool has glorious basket cases like Cope & Drummond & Burns.

Affectian (Affectian), Thursday, 12 May 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I wasn't aware of W.A.S.P myself but saw them listed on a site mentioning lots of Liverpool bands (most of the complete unknowns). Was probably a different (and completely unknown) W.A.S.P then.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 12 May 2005 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Clinic is from Liverpool, and I'd take them over any current Manchester band. Liverpool owns the 1960s (if only for you-know-who), Manchester the late-1970s through mid-1990s.....

In terms of a place to live, I'd rather get beat up in Manchester than in Liverpool. Less chance of ice-pickings or skull-stabbings.

Oh, and Liverpool can also claim John Peel (but also Courtney Love -- indirectly -- so take that for what it counts).

PBfromCleveland (PBfromCleveland), Friday, 26 January 2007 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Leeds!

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Friday, 26 January 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Is the new Clinic really that good? I'd like to try it but I fear they'd just keep repeating former glories forever...

White Dopes on Punk (Bimble...), Saturday, 27 January 2007 06:13 (nineteen years ago)

Not bad, certainly better than 'Winchester Cathedral'.
Also, Ladytron are from Liverpool, too.

zeus (zeus), Saturday, 27 January 2007 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

New Clinic is pretty good. The lead track is great, as usual.

PBfromCleveland (PBfromCleveland), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

but who wins the Battle of Scotland: Birmingham or Bristol?

Sir Tehrance HoBB (the pirate king), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

bristol without even trying

to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)


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