Taking Sides: Burning Out vs. Fading Away

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This is an outgrowth of

Taking Sides: Courtney Love vs. Mike Love

and

Taking Sides: Gin Blossoms vs. Toad The Wet Sprocket

To make this an interesting question, I think you have to construct both a typology of burning out and a typology of fading away. Obviously some burnouts are more spectacular than others. And some types of fading away are more dignified than others.

It really must be said that death has been a great career move for some people. Would we really want to have witnessed the decline into age of Jimi, Janis, Elvis, JFK, Marilyn?

Mostly I vote for fading away, but with reservations. (I kinda would like to have a few more Mozart violin concertos. Some more Bob Marley concert footage. Another Nirvana album or two.)

Compare Dylan, who is still at least trying to do something new every once in a while, with the Stones, who mostly tour their greatest hits. Compare McCartney with Lennon, if you dare. Compare Syd Barrett with David Gilmour.

The Mad Puffin, Friday, 27 May 2005 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

fade away. i think it's a bit selfish to want your stars to burn out.

AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 27 May 2005 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure what exactly you are arguing...

The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Friday, 27 May 2005 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I agree that it's selfish. When we talk this way, we're speaking as the audience. Audiences are allowed to be selfish, because they're talking about what they themselves enjoy, and don't enjoy, seeing.

Maybe it needed to be preceded by a thousand-word contextual caveat. Roughly: The conceit is that life, culture (considered broadly enough to encompass extramusical things like the way a musician lives), and the universe can themselves be considered as artworks and talked about critically in the same way we talk about artworks.

We don't actually want actual humans to die young, or for their careers to go down in flames. We don't want people to suffer unnecessarily for our own amusement.

But given that some people will die young, some careers will go down in flames, and some people will suffer unnecessarily, what elements in this pageant are more beautiful to watch? What elements are less beautiful? Which elements are more interesting? Which less?

The Mad Puffin, Friday, 27 May 2005 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Fade away, every time. There's no musical love like loving, say, the Kinks to the bitter end, listening sympathetically for the glimmerings of genius on burnt-out fag-end albums like Phobia. Does it go with out saying that I am of a certain age?

brianiac (briania), Friday, 27 May 2005 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Fading away is preferable, since it gives me more opportunities to catch the band live.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks, that's what i meant :)

does an old, saggy marylin detract at all from the stunning beauty of her youth? Elvis DID age horribly. he's on the line between burning out and fading away. does that make his early music any less potent?

of course not. to have a 60 year old hendrix (or however old he'd be now) playing casinos and making music worse than clapton's would not make the music we currently have any less valuable. To say that it would is worse than corny indie fuxors being overly protective of their music. its a kind of 15 year old mentality. they're beautiful to watch, but only as fictions. as reality it's both sad and apalling for fans and loved ones. if an audience is allowed some amount of selfishness, i think this is taking it a bit too far.

AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Rolling Stones = Best Rolling Stones Cover Band Evah

rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it depends on how embarrassing the fading away part is. Like, The Kinks didn't undermine their classic work — they just made boring records. You could argue Elvis Costello has.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

brianiac more OTM than anyone has ever been on ILM.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 27 May 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)

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The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 27 May 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Compare McCartney with Lennon

By 1980, their solo output was about the same quality. In 1990, John Lennon was ten years dead while McCartney had spent the last decade (among other thing) releasing the two best solo albums ever recorded by an ex-Beatle, namely "Tug Of War" and "Pipes Of Peace".

After which he has faded away, but at least, if you fade away, everybody is certain you had nothing great left after burning out.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 27 May 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post: Bahahahahaha

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 28 May 2005 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Rock Stars are like comic book heroes. When they get old you write them out of the narrative.

Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Saturday, 28 May 2005 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Compare Dylan, who is still at least trying to do something new every once in a while, with the Stones, who mostly tour their greatest hits.

Wait, which of these is Burning Out and which one is Fading Away?

The Yellow Kid, Sunday, 29 May 2005 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)

i choose def leppard

di, Sunday, 29 May 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

six months pass...
More evidence in favor of burning out: So I'm listening to Ryan Adams "29" and I'm pretty sure it sucks.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

only if you ever believed there was something to burn out.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
If fading away means occasionally coming up with a surprise comeback the quality of "Time Out Of Mind", "Chaos & Creation In The Backyard" or even "Playing The Angel", then I most certainly prefer fading away.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Hope I die before I become a dirty old man busted for kiddyporn

pete townsend, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)


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