Taking Sides: Courtney Love vs. Mike Love
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Taking Sides: Gin Blossoms vs. Toad The Wet Sprocket
To make this an interesting question, I think you have to construct both a typology of burning out and a typology of fading away. Obviously some burnouts are more spectacular than others. And some types of fading away are more dignified than others.
It really must be said that death has been a great career move for some people. Would we really want to have witnessed the decline into age of Jimi, Janis, Elvis, JFK, Marilyn?
Mostly I vote for fading away, but with reservations. (I kinda would like to have a few more Mozart violin concertos. Some more Bob Marley concert footage. Another Nirvana album or two.)
Compare Dylan, who is still at least trying to do something new every once in a while, with the Stones, who mostly tour their greatest hits. Compare McCartney with Lennon, if you dare. Compare Syd Barrett with David Gilmour.
― The Mad Puffin, Friday, 27 May 2005 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 27 May 2005 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Emancipation of Baaderonixx (KERERU 4 LIFE!) (Fabfunk), Friday, 27 May 2005 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)
Maybe it needed to be preceded by a thousand-word contextual caveat. Roughly: The conceit is that life, culture (considered broadly enough to encompass extramusical things like the way a musician lives), and the universe can themselves be considered as artworks and talked about critically in the same way we talk about artworks.
We don't actually want actual humans to die young, or for their careers to go down in flames. We don't want people to suffer unnecessarily for our own amusement.
But given that some people will die young, some careers will go down in flames, and some people will suffer unnecessarily, what elements in this pageant are more beautiful to watch? What elements are less beautiful? Which elements are more interesting? Which less?
― The Mad Puffin, Friday, 27 May 2005 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― brianiac (briania), Friday, 27 May 2005 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)
does an old, saggy marylin detract at all from the stunning beauty of her youth? Elvis DID age horribly. he's on the line between burning out and fading away. does that make his early music any less potent?
of course not. to have a 60 year old hendrix (or however old he'd be now) playing casinos and making music worse than clapton's would not make the music we currently have any less valuable. To say that it would is worse than corny indie fuxors being overly protective of their music. its a kind of 15 year old mentality. they're beautiful to watch, but only as fictions. as reality it's both sad and apalling for fans and loved ones. if an audience is allowed some amount of selfishness, i think this is taking it a bit too far.
― AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 27 May 2005 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 27 May 2005 20:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Friday, 27 May 2005 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)
By 1980, their solo output was about the same quality. In 1990, John Lennon was ten years dead while McCartney had spent the last decade (among other thing) releasing the two best solo albums ever recorded by an ex-Beatle, namely "Tug Of War" and "Pipes Of Peace".
After which he has faded away, but at least, if you fade away, everybody is certain you had nothing great left after burning out.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 27 May 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 28 May 2005 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Saturday, 28 May 2005 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)
Wait, which of these is Burning Out and which one is Fading Away?
― The Yellow Kid, Sunday, 29 May 2005 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― di, Sunday, 29 May 2005 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 1 December 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)
― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 1 December 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 00:36 (twenty years ago)
― pete townsend, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 09:57 (twenty years ago)