Calvin & Hobbes C or D

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I like the solipsism of C&H though; the fact that he must be voicing his best friend as well as himself and we, as readers, know this, adds a real sense of blissful sadness to the cart rides down the hills and through the streams, or the times when they're just laying together under a tree near the creek. Plus the dynamic of the relationship between C&H is remarkable, it's pure love and comfort between the two of them. Plus it's consistently piss-funny, every single strip.

Favourite strip? Either the one where Calvin burps outrageously at the dinner table and his whole face contorts astonishingly before he says summat like "Better out than in!" and summat else exquisitely unpolite before his mom says "Three strikes and you're out kiddo"; or else the one that's on my desktop wallpaper;

Calvin & Hobbes listening to the radio; Calvin breaks into lengthy spiel...

Calvin - "The problem with rock n roll is that the generation that created it is now the establishment. Rock pretends it's rebellious with it's video posturing, but who believes it? The stars are 45-year-old zillionaires or they endorse soft drinks! The 'revolution' is a capitalist industry! Give me a break! Fortunately, I've found some protest music for today's youth! This stuff really offends mom and dad!"

Hobbes - "Easy-listening muzak?"

Calvin - "I play it real quiet too."

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 07:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

BARGE COMING THROUGH!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's the one!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nick, I don't think it should make you feel sad. Calvin isn't "being" Hobbes because he's friendless, or scared - this is his reality, it fulfils him totally.

The only times he seems to want to step outside that reality - the valentine for Suzy scenario - it adds a layer of awkwardness that doesn't really work (tho it's cute, obv), and Watterson says the same.

Totally, unequivocally classic.

Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think C&H owes a lot to these characters:

http://www.ksu.edu/english/nelp/images/johnson.books/barnaby_and_mr_omalley.sm.jpeg

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 14 April 2003 08:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mark C - blissfully sad! As in, I wish I had a creek and a tree and a tiger! Not at all a bad thing in any way!

mark s - Can you find any pix of Calvin's snowmen when he goes all avante garde and surrealist? They're so cool...

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perfect!

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Calvin & Hobbes == Tweeists
Peanuts == Geezaesthes

When viewed in these terms, the inevitable vistory of C&H is made clear.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 09:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Twee? Explain yourself? (it's not.)

Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I didn't mean tweeist (biased against twee) , I meant twee.

No, hang on, what d'you mean explain? It's Calvin & Hobbes! It's about the inner world, imaginary friends and so on (apart from the bits about the aliens). IT'S TWEE, ALLRIGHT?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Watterson went to the same college I attended for a couple years (but obviously long before me). Apparantly he didn't talk much and rarely left his dorm room. Makes sense.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Spaceman Spiff is not Twee!
I loved C&H, all I learned in the ways of being smooth was from watching Hobbes move in on Suzie.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Re: whether Calvin & Hobbes is an accurate description of childhood or not- d00d, that totally was my childhood! Tho it's a chicken & the egg thing because I was really into C&H even as a child and Calvin was pretty much my role model during those years. These days when I read 'em it's downright creepy at times because I realise just how gigantic an influence on my personality Calvin has been.

Also-living in a disatant suburb doesn't necesairly make you interact more w/ ppl in sk00l; I did, too, and my social life wasn't much more active than Calvin's.

CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC of course.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 14 April 2003 13:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nothing about C&H is twee. Twee is a bad word. Twee is affected, pretentious, pathetic, cloying. C&H is honest, naive, joyful, imaginative, dreamlike. Totally different.

Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

If that's the case, and Belle & Sebastian aren't twee, then twee has no meaning.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't quite follow how B&S aren't twee.

Chris P (Chris P), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

B&S got the affected, pretentious and pathetic part down pat, 3 out of 4 twee aint bad.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

the word uncanny was invented for this moment!!

http://www.whirlybird.org.uk/fgs.jpg

(hobbes = in purple)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 14 April 2003 16:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Waterson says that he had never seen Barnaby until someone brought it to his attention after C&H had been running for years. The possibly-fantasy-friend is not such a rare or extraordinary idea that this is hard to believe.

I think Schulz was a writer of astonishing greatness and Waterson learnt a lot from him, but C&H is funnier and better drawn. The only basis on which I'd nonetheless rate Peanuts above C&H is that there is around five times as much Peanuts. There hasn't been a humour artist as good as Waterson come along in newspaper strips since the form's great heyday in the first half of the 20th Century - Herriman, Segar, Sterrett, maybe a few others (McManus, Capp), though they're the only three I'd confidently rate above Waterson. It's even more extraordinary when you look at the much tighter limitations, the smaller space allowed (there is an excellent C&H about this).

And Hobbes is so adorable. I wish there was a cuddly toy.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 14 April 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

wouldn't a calvin and hobbes movie or something with voices be liable to irritate the same hell out of you? i've never liked animated versions of comic strips, that i can recall. anyway, did they ever do anything like this, set voices to Calvin and Hobbes?

As a matter of fact, some independant animator somewhere did do a brief short Calvin & Hobbes film. He sent the film off to Watterson for his approval, and Watterson replied with something along the lines of "I think this is a good film, but I'd rather you not release it or make anymore". So it hasn't been seen by anyone except a chosen few. I think some of the actors who voiced it have the film mentioned on their IMDb entries.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Monday, 14 April 2003 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think Walt Kelly was a far more accomplished artist than Watterson, Martin - though I actually much prefer C&H to Pogo.

The idea of the possibly brilliant C&H film that no one can see has me ripping my hair out in frustration right now.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ch/1992/ch920408.gif

luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 08:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

This strip always reminded me of Krazy Kat in that the words often seemed to be running on an entirely different track as the visuals--and only on the last panel, or perhaps even a second or third reading, does one realize how it might fit together. Also how they have these incredible flights of imagination and fancy and inevitably end on a hilariously prosaic note.

I adored Calvin and Hobbes as a kid and at some point determined it was too sentimental, which it is at times. But I think I'm ready to appreciate it again.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 14:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Justyn, Kelly was a tremendous artist, but I think I'd still rate Watterson ahead of him, for the energy levels. I'm a very big admirer of C&H in pretty much every respect.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 15 April 2003 17:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

seven months pass...
Reviving because of the latest Watterson "where is he now?" update.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 1 December 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

Heh, I was flipping through the tenth anniversary collection last night, by chance. As amazing.

"It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 20:00 (twenty years ago) link

Good timing, as I've been going through the collections again too. Brilliant strip, probably my favourite of all time. I miss it.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:51 (twenty years ago) link

My whole theory about him just getting away from it all is simple -- he wants to? Let him. He owes nobody anything beyond his friends and family and my sense has always been that he values them beyond description.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:54 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, he's absolutely entitled to quit and do nothing for the rest of his life. He deserves to be rich for ten years of such greatness. Nonetheless, I'd be so pleased if he started it again, or something new.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 1 December 2003 21:56 (twenty years ago) link

Wait, just finished the article...OPUS? He's back? WHERE WHERE WHERE WHERE?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

Behold:

http://www.berkeleybreathed.com/opus_returns.html

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:19 (twenty years ago) link

So, I'm guessing that tossing panties [in celebration] at a toon penguin would be perverted?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 1 December 2003 22:36 (twenty years ago) link

"Outland" got pretty dire as it evolved. The first two "Opus" strips suggest a continuation of where "Outland" left off, but hopefully it will amount to much more than that.

I preferred his daily strips though.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 1 December 2003 23:07 (twenty years ago) link

"It's psychosomatic. You need a lobotomy. I'll get a saw"

this is one from of the funniest strips. i love those ones where watterson does (what he declares to be) lame marvel rip offs, they are so silly. also into the poantheon of greatness- the one where he starts seeling homemade lemonade for $5 a glass, and as Mark S noted, every single one that involved snowmen or sculpture in snow. esp the modern art ones. kinda obvious but they hurt my sides, sort of....

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

Opus?! sweet. I was absolutley obsessed with Bloom County from about age 12--> Even though a lot of the socio-political satire was probably over my head (hell, it probably naturalized me to some degree)

Your right, though, Outland kinda petered out.

Will (will), Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:26 (twenty years ago) link

The first Outland collection is quite good, the one called Politically Incorrect or some such. I'd venture to say that the only strip that brought me more personal joy that C&H was Breathed's Bloom County. If you want to talk your Sartre and your hell is other people, Milo's Meadow is an almost perfect model.


Favorite C&H strips? I love the one drawn up in 50s film noir involving Calvin and Susie, when they're playing house, and Calvin's character, puffing a pipe, longs for a divorce and rejects their "baby" (a plush pg, if I remember). I also like the one where Calvin scuplts his parents an ashtray, and Hobbes points out that Calbvin's parents don't smoke, and Calvin shouts "OK, Michaelangelo, YOU sculpt something!!" But of course, it's all in the drawings. I can't do any of them justice.


Favorite snowman strip is when Calvin gathers a crowd of horrified onlooking snowmen gasping at the sight of a dismembered snowman lying at the foot of his father's parked car. Calvin's dad: "I think we better get that kid to a psychiatrist."

roger adultery, Tuesday, 2 December 2003 01:54 (twenty years ago) link

just watched the Charlie Brown Christmas special for the hundreth time, and I still really, really hate the fucking thing. I'm actually surprised the liberals haven't pulled the plug on this yet. But I don't hate it because it's non-secular, I hate it because it's so lame. The whole thing reeks of something The Simpsons would lampoon, but this is for real. How can anyone enjoy this stupid cartoon?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

:-( You hurt me in my heart.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 01:32 (twenty years ago) link

just watched the Charlie Brown Christmas special for the hundreth time, and I still really, really hate the fucking thing

The hundred-and-first viewing will change that, I promise.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:03 (twenty years ago) link

possibly the most accurate representation of childhood ever?

Family Circus is the most accurate representation of childhood evah.

The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

Or possibly Broomhilda.

The Yellow Kid, Wednesday, 3 December 2003 03:40 (twenty years ago) link

i'm going to put a decal of calvin pissing - ON MY TRUCK!! it's going to be BITCHIN

i am also going to scratch off the letters so that instead of toyota it says either "YO" or "TOY" it's going to be AWESOME

ron (ron), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 06:02 (twenty years ago) link

christ, i love C & H and all but all the Peanuts bashing on this thread from oh-so-hip post-Simpsons kids makes me want to beat my head against the wall. have you people got no fucking SOUL?

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 06:43 (twenty years ago) link

Weird. No more than an hour ago, I read a great, five-page-long online article about an artist who went out several years ago at the top of his game, and who's been pretty much a recluse ever since, never really explaining why he left. An article that quotes the locals, interjects personal comments, etc. The article was about Jeff Mangum of Neutral Milk Hotel.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 06:54 (twenty years ago) link

This thread made me do a search, and I found this

Let's enter Nerve.com's bad erotica writing contest!

WOW

sucka (sucka), Wednesday, 3 December 2003 13:55 (twenty years ago) link

Calvin & Hobbes == Tweeists
Peanuts == Geezaesthes

Surely Peanuts == emo?

The Yellow Kid, Sunday, 7 December 2003 09:45 (twenty years ago) link

emo = clever twee cuteness disguised as fake unhappiness
Peanuts = genuine incredibly bleak fucked-upness disguised as clever twee cuteness

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 7 December 2003 10:04 (twenty years ago) link

they posted audio clips from the gary groth/charles schulz interview on the comics journal site last month. TRULY CLASSIC quote from same: asked what he thinks of "dennis the menace," schulz sez: "i don't like annoying little kids."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 7 December 2003 10:19 (twenty years ago) link

Separately I have a really really distinct memory as a kid of the very first Calvin and Hobbes strip in the newspaper. I would read the comic section every morning religiously, and even as a 10-year-old or maybe even especially as a 10-year-old I recognized immediately that this was a cut above everything else. That and peanuts were my top two for life from then on.

omar little, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:10 (one year ago) link

bloom county and far side to complete the late 80s set imo

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:42 (one year ago) link

I’ve got the same collection of C&H books I started acquiring with babysitting money as a child and BW is one of those guys where despite my love for C&H I’m just not interested in the new material. I thought about why and I think it’s partly the fear that he turns out to be personally dodgy in a way that ruins his work for me (cf Morrissey) and also, it just doesn’t seem intrinsically that interesting compared to the stuff I know him for.

better than whoever you are (gyac), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link

Pulled a few boxes of books out of the basement last week and realized I had the first 3 big C&H anthologies down there. When I unpack the boxes again I'm gonna dive into those for sure.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 17:51 (one year ago) link

loved those treasuries back in the day, even though i also had most of the 'regular' books.... having the color Sundays and the bonus stories was great. iirc, Watterson sort of rolls his eyes at those publications in the must-own Tenth Anniversary book, pointing out that he named them The Essential, The Indispensable, and The Authoritative "since the books were obviously none of these things."

i'm periodically tempted by the idea of owning The Complete paperback set. somehow though it feels like something would be lost not having things grouped under "Yukon Ho!" and "Scientific Progress Goes Boink."

got it in the blood, the kid's a pelican (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:06 (one year ago) link

Separately I have a really really distinct memory as a kid of the very first Calvin and Hobbes strip in the newspaper. I would read the comic section every morning religiously, and even as a 10-year-old or maybe even especially as a 10-year-old I recognized immediately that this was a cut above everything else. That and peanuts were my top two for life from then on.

― omar little, Wednesday, February 22, 2023 12:10 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I remember that, too! I was immediately struck by the design of the characters -- Calvin's Pac-Man mouth, mainly -- and how clever it was right out of the gate. I mean, the first week or so of C&H was exponentially more funny and creative than the previous 10-15 years of Beetle Bailey or Garfield or whatever combined. It felt like risks were being taken, and apart from Bloom County and The Far Side (as Tracer Hand pointed out), few other (if any) late '80s strips had that spirit.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:14 (one year ago) link

The only strips that come even close to C&H are Peanuts and Pogo.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 18:28 (one year ago) link

the artwork and lettering on pogo probably better than those two; C&H owes a big debt to walt kelly for those heavily inked stumps and trees and crags he was so fond of

pogo really so amazing. not sure any other comic has a book of sheet music?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 19:15 (one year ago) link

nine months pass...

There are few things in this world I enjoy as much as the small moments in Calvin and Hobbes when Calvin’s parents do something that make it clear that Calvin got his entire personality from them (even the parts that drive them crazy) https://t.co/CPzcXPN69T pic.twitter.com/GBEACE1eOO

— Billie Takespeare (@maynardgang) December 16, 2023

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:16 (four months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GBeIDqtXwAAf_3u?format=jpg&name=medium

In case strip doesn’t show in preview

mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Tuesday, 19 December 2023 23:17 (four months ago) link

Calvin’s parents the undeniable heroes of C&H. The strips with Calvin’s dad having a nightmare of a family holiday just ruin me

https://i.postimg.cc/X7GbyvQb/IMG-4358.jpg

H.P, Wednesday, 20 December 2023 00:39 (four months ago) link

Same

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 00:40 (four months ago) link

It’s amazing how invested the strip gets you

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 20 December 2023 00:40 (four months ago) link


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