US Politics, August 2018: There must be something wrong, please recheck that poll!

I mean, since his every public utterance is basically just that.

Yowza. https://t.co/XRBunwsQZ7 pic.twitter.com/6EiiZkqbqa

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) August 1, 2018

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meanwhile, dissident against the House of Saud?

Saudi Arabia planned to invade Qatar last summer. Rex Tillerson's efforts to stop it may have cost him his job. https://t.co/X1luyyikYQ by @AlexEmmons

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) August 1, 2018

Well sure.

https://www.exxonmobil.com.qa/en-qa

has Trump ever indicated that he knows any specifics on what "collusion" is and what, exactly, he's being accused of? b/c it really seems to run no deeper than "collusion bad, so I didn't do collusion"

has he ever indicated that he knows anything

There was an anonymous account from some of his people (only the best people) last week that he at the very least doesn't understand the difference between collusion and Russia's active meddling in our electoral process.

Which is to say: he's vehement in his denial of collusion in part because he believes he's denying that he hacked anything on Russia's behalf. Y'know, just more of the profound stupidity we've come to expect from our leader.

well, everything revolves around him, so it's inconceivable that anybody could be investigating russian interference and it not be about his involvement

um it's not just anybody, it's 17 Angry Dems dontchaknow

Now I have that decemberists song stuck in my head.

I think when you hit 20 angry dems, it's technically a Blue Wave

One Orange Face and 200 Angry Dems

Someone should tell him it was 7 Chinese Brothers.

a swallowing the ocean hoax

Fuck you, Donald

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Trump-s-order-to-penalize-SF-other-sanctuary-13123750.php?t=2d025bbd07

https://abcnews.go.com/US/special-counsel-mueller-president-obstruction-justice-sources/story?id=56973384

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office wants to ask President Donald Trump about obstruction of justice, sources close to the White House tell ABC News. According to sources, the president learned within the last day that the special counsel will limit the scope of questioning and would like to ask questions both orally and written for the President to respond to.

According to sources familiar with the President’s reaction Wednesday morning, that was the genesis for his early morning tweet storm.

how is this news

i mean.... it was assumed

would like to ask questions both orally and written for the President to respond to.

This would be great no matter how it might happen. Whatever he answers, it will no doubt directly contradict something he has said or tweeted, leading to follow-up questions, that in turn would lead to clarifications that directly contradict something else he has said or tweeted. Ad infinitum.

For his tribal loyalists, none of this matters, of course.

they will never agree to answer any questions, they will stonewall and dare him to issue a subpoena (which he probably won't do)

in other news
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pollster-sees-dead-heat-in-Ohio-special-election-13123515.php

how is this news

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 4:51 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They've always wanted to ask him about obstruction. Part of their original task was to look into obstruction, as credibly described by Comey. Much of the list of questions months ago was on obstruction. He's ranting bc his lawyers encouraged a delusion which has been punctured. https://t.co/rpf6JdVFwW

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) August 1, 2018

One journalistic approach to this situation is to try to cover the developments from inside Trump's head, in which case the revelation that Mueller wants to ask him about obstruction of justice can be a shocking stand-alone exclusive.

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) August 1, 2018

Another is to recognize the president doesn't comprehend the extremely-easy-to-understand legal peril he is in, deliberately surrounds himself with supplicating fools, flies into rages when confronted with reality, and appears badly incapable of managing the duties of his office.

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) August 1, 2018

ok I meant "how is this news" to ME, not our presiding moron

Yeah, it's important to occasionally shift your perspective a little and consider that something which seems like the most obvious and un-newsworthy thing in the world may, for Donald Trump, have an effect not unlike a golden retriever's first exposure to an Oculus Rift.

just imagine when he finds out that people wouldn't like it if he fires sessions and rosenstein on the same day

2 Angry Republicans

ok I meant "how is this news" to ME, not our presiding moron

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 5:48 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no i get that and i agree with you. my point is i like the implication of those tweett, which is that things like this should be covered as "the president appears to have discovered something that we reported 9 months ago".

look at this shit. this is the groverhaus of coats. the grovercoat

Behold. The 5,000 ostrich coat Manafort bought with an international wire transfer, according to a men’s clothier who testified today. Government exhibit pic.twitter.com/BjuQ39ZeJ0

— Kara Scannell (@KaraScannell) August 1, 2018

i thought there would be more feathers

i know that's silly but for that much shouldn't it have had feathers??

I know, right?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_juA16UhwBDU/SzrH2RYwjYI/AAAAAAAAAhQ/zNl3aOqjxOY/s1600-h/Picture+8.png

https://78.media.tumblr.com/71b6c0ace587d58944f9fc86da610b28/tumblr_nj4ln6UcOq1qd2ub7o4_250.gif

That looks like a bag of shit, one of those cheapo split-leather knockoffs you buy at a market sold from the back of a truck which disintegrates in a month. Who on earth could pay 15 grand for a jacket with elasticated cuffs?

He does not seem like the leather hoodie type.

wonder if he’s ever hung out with buzz bissinger

Is anyone doing a daily podcast wrap-up of the Manafort trial?

Who on earth could pay 15 grand for a jacket with elasticated cuffs?

The people who helped Tommy Wiseau finance The Room, for starters.

Maybe he's a huge Fab Moretti fan.

It may not look like much, but it really shines when paired with ostrich head codpiece.

Worry about elasticated cuffs is bourgeois as shit

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0023/6178/6426/products/ostrich-costume-with-fake-hanging-legs_2000x.jpg?v=1525082520

^ The ostrich head codpiece really makes that outfit shine!

OMG!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/john-bolton-brings-a-nuclear-superhawk-into-the-white-house

His Twitter avatar is a pin showing a red MAGA-style baseball cap reading MAKE DETERRENCE GREAT AGAIN

Nuclear deterence is based on convincing others that you will use your nuclear capability against anyone who does whatever actions you want to deter. The difficulty with this policy choice is deciding what it is you want to deter and whether using hydrogen bombs against the target you are threatening is worth the risk. Because deterrence doesn't work if you aren't willing to back it up.

The problem with nuclear super hawks being in charge of this decision making is that they see far less risk in nuking opponents than anyone else sees. During the 1950s and 1960s the nuclear super hawks in the Pentagon actively urged the USA to strike the USSR preemptively, based on the theory that the USA would lose upwards of 60% of its population from retaliatory strikes, but it was worth it, because our enemy would be 90% destroyed, while we would only be 60% destroyed... meaning VICTORY!!

well, one solution to anthropomorphic climate change would be a nuclear winter that reduces humanity to 6-8 humans sitting around a campfire in Nova Scotia eating mushroom steaks on styrofoam bread and speaking a language called Fakenews.

would be kinda fitting for the Trumps to be the only one to survive it

the dead will envy the long dead

what is groverhaus

maybe you might argue - to use something i am familiar with - that being actually deported is bad, but that worrying about it is not. is that the sort of argument you're going to use?

Fear of deportation is something that's only existed under Trump?

shut the fuck up

you're so pompous about making sure we don't forget that all presidents and all government workers are shitbags because that's how you reinforce your little nutshell of conscious progressive capitalism - just stfu, and let people vent, and maybe listen for once

Nah. All Republicans are evil and have been for 50 years - getting blinded by Trump's manner just makes it easier for them to maintain their power and slip in all the same shit they'd do under Trump under a President Pence or Cruz or whomever because at least they're being civil about it.

you understand i am talking about DREAMERS, right?

xpost MOTHERFUCKER STFU

Fear of deportation is something that's only existed under Trump?

― louise ck (milo z)

in my direct experience, it's much much worse under trump. qualitatively different. you disagree, or what?

i say this as someone who worked full-time with dreamers in east palo alto during the second half of the bush administration. so my perspective on the matter is not exactly the same, and the immigrant communities i was working with then and now are somewhat different, but i assure you, it was *nothing* like this.

i could talk about how islamic and/or middle eastern communities in my neck of the woods, feel about trump's discourse compared to dubya's, but i really don't want to bore with too many anecdotes. i want to hear your anecdotes, milo!

"If you think there are specific actions he's taking that are worse than previous Republican Presidents, then those actions are the problem, not your personal anxiety."

what does this even mean?

I vote in favor of not being interested in milo’s anecdotes right now because I think maybe he should be spending more time on reflection instead of shoutposting his arrogant takes on how insidious behavior tends to creep up instead of happening all at once

BECAUSE WE COULDN’T SEE

you're right. it's dumb to even worry about whether trump is better or worse than bush or reagan. i think we all agree he's different, the rest of it is just bizarre hardmanning.

brothers and sisters, join hands

The shittiness and mental collapse of everything is earthquake magnitudes. Why the fuck would you ever try to compare analog to tainted clams diarrhea.

tomorrow is another day and shall give unto us a new thread for US politics to shit upon

what does this even mean?

That concrete wrongdoing is more useful to highlight than a vague sense of unease centered on one individual if you want to see political change.

there is a lot of concrete wrongdoing, so I'm not sure what point you're making

but i would say the psychological harm he's doing is equally malevolent

Ok so hearing the president of the united states daily spread paranoid conspiracy theories and racist invective causes more than a “vague sense of unease.”

It's slightly surprising how many sundowning dads Trump reminds people of. He totally reminds me of my dad. That fucking aspirational rat pack era.

He reminds me of Satan

Really, because he seems like a fucking sad fat white man in an adult diaper that somehow managed to live this long with a too hot for him wife and too good for him job. That seems completely ordinary.

lol

Ok so hearing the president of the united states daily spread paranoid conspiracy theories and racist invective causes more than a “vague sense of unease.”

That's my fundamental point: combating this shit as a systemic issue is vitally important. Racist invective and paranoid conspiracy aren't new. "Welfare queens driving Cadillacs," Philadelphia MS, black hands, Tim McVeigh, Bob Jones U, Operation Jade Helm, the list is damn near endless.
Believing this stuff is a fresh result of Trump undercuts the real danger, and as we've seen (in this very thread!) with Bush makes it easier for things to get worse in the future when the past can be whitewashed.

No one cares, dude. People use the word Trump as a stand-in for white supremacy, the GOP, police brutality, white nationalism, NIMBYs, whatevers, oversoying your latte. It's semantics. No one wants to complain about 3rd Eye Blind anymore when they haven't even been trying to put out singles.

Like, I really hate when dudes (it's always dudes) get all libertarian and "I was trying to live in the deep woods, drinking my urine, ages ago, doofuses. WAY before Trump." No one gives a shit.

new thread, plz

Yeah this Papadopoulos bombshell needs a new thread.

Really, because he seems like a fucking sad fat white man in an adult diaper that somehow managed to live this long with a too hot for him wife and too good for him job. That seems completely ordinary.

― Yerac, Saturday, September 1, 2018 12:00 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is funny, but only because trump is an insane through the looking glass grotesque version of your average priviliged white man. Florida retirement homes are not filled with megalomanics who ars pathological liars.

Maybe i am insane but he seems like a very, very bad thing to me—a distillation of everyhing rancid about america, but because he is a distillation far more concentrated, 100 proof American beserk

Treesh go to bed

xxxp - Obama caused enormous personal anxiety to the Republican base - they weren't just pretending to believe he was always on the verge of springing his Stalinist trap, taking their guns and sending them to gulags. We can call it irrational and stupid, but it was real.

is this really true? i would love to hear some personal stories about the anxiety you witnessed. i have some i could share w/ you about hyperventilating children.

― the late great, 1. september 2018 04:29 (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It¨s not, no. That personal anxiety was caused by Fox, blaming it on Obama is wrong.

This is funny, but only because trump is an insane through the looking glass grotesque version of your average priviliged white man. Florida retirement homes are not filled with megalomanics who ars pathological liars.

― 🦅 (Trϵϵship)

a lot of trump's supporters (a minority, but a numerically large amount) are just as bad or worse than he is.

I think a big difference is that Bush was triumphalist while Trump is revanchist. Bush and his cronies really did seem to think they were going to democratize the entire middle east and improve the economy. Trump just wants power and to stop things from happening. Bush caused more harm, but his legacy will be easier to get rid off. Trump is something else, and it'll probably require impeachment proceedings against at least Kavanaugh. Stuff like that.

over a hundred people in his administration were indicted or convicted of corruption

The possibility that this won't happen with Trump is bad not good though.

are we really having the Trump-is-the-culmination vs Trump-is-an-aberration argument again?

"Bush's legacy is easier to get rid of" - - only if we're talking strictly within America's borders.

US Politics, September 2018: having a nervous breakdown