ILM Ballot Polls for 2014 and beyond -- order, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

Happy New Year, list-makers.

A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
53. Outkast - The Reverend
54. Autechre - Leee
55. Brian Eno - WmC
56. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
58. Radiohead - nate woolls
59. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
62. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
63. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
64. Italo - daavid
65. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
66. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
67. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB
86. The Smiths - nate woolls
87. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
88. The Burt Bacharach songbook - WilliamC
89. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
90. Royal Trux + side projects - Drugs A. Money
91. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
92. Rush - Matt #2
93. Oasis - darraghmac
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata
95. Talking Heads - Bee OK
96. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
97. Van Halen - Johnny Fever
98. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
99. Low - aldo
100. Nine Inch Nails - chap
101. REM - rogermexico.
102. Bjork - Eric H.
103. Wu-Tang Clan - ― Spottie
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)
105. Covers - kornrulez6969
106. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee

classic rock nomination/discussion thread coming very soon

x-post

Dag.

I don't take part in many of these, but will consider the classic rock thing, it sounds like a laugh. Someone give me a nudge when these are up, too:

64. Italo - daavid
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
83. Stereolab - Moka
99. Low - aldo
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)
105. Covers - kornrulez6969

btw, we did 20 polls on the list in the course of 2013. so if that pace continues, we should get up to around the Emo/Scream poll by the end of 2014. not as many polls i'm as interested in participating in this year as there were last year, but excited for Steely Dan and Outkast.

which means we'd also get to the New Pornographers poll around late 2016 or early 2017 hehe

Anyone know when the Roxy poll starts?

presumably once voting for the "2013 albums and tracks poll" ends. but i'll wait for the official prod.

or after classic rock, i dunno.

Oh dang, I traded the official prod for some blue meth over the holidays.

I think we should include ETAs of everything in the queue, just to twist the knife a little more.

If anyone dies under suspicious circumstances, and the person whose poll it is is implicated in said suspicious circumstances, I'm assuming they don't get to jump ahead in the line.

I think if Bjork killed Stephin Merritt, starting her poll immediately would be the least we could do.

Agreed.

But it's not up to you.

What if Extreme Metal killed Hair Metal?

fight to the death against the winner of 'Producers'

For reference: Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

There is also this: ILM Ballot Polls: where to find the results threads

Again Thanks WilliamC for taking back over this thread, as I said before I was just keeping the seat warm until your return.

watching thomas crown affair and wondering.. has there been a movie score poll?

is this where I plead for you maniacs to separate the Eno and Roxy/Ferry polls?

Eno >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roxy, give Ferry and Jobson and whoever their second rate solo material if you must but I will vote all Eno in protest if that's how it's gonna be.

eno poll should be a poll of inanimate objects

feelin u sleeve. i dunno that eno >>>>>>> roxy but def a different thing. just adds noise to both "roxy" and "eno" polls and makes results less satisfying.

cf gabriel/(and a little collins) >>>>>> genesis

The Eno / Ferry thing was settled a long time ago, was it not? Separate polls.

Put me down for They Might Be Giants. (would enough people care about a TMBG poll?)

In at 107

Where is the Classic Rock Canon poll? Having missed out on a lot of the history of this, I understand why we want to coordinate the timing so's not to have 6 million ballot polls flooding the board at once, but don't it seem like we could have one start at least every week?

There's a hiatus while the big EOY poll is happening...normal service will return at the start February I guess.

There's a break from these while the end-of-year polls run their course. The list should pick back up in February.

There's a pause during the big end-of-year polls, regular polls will begin again by February.

what they said, something something February

Any reason we can't do one a week starting February?

Most poll-runners have been leaving the voting open for 10-14 days to flog as many ballots as possible out of ILM. Some overlap is cool -- one poll open for voting while another one is rolling out its results -- but any efforts to put these polls on a timetable have been met with an unspoken "yes that's fine for everyone else but I'm going to run my poll this way." I'm not going to play the heavy -- that's the quickest way for these to grind to a screeching stop, imo.

Bah.

plus personally if there's too many polls just wham wham wham one after another I kinda get exhausted by the whole thing, even if it's bands I like

gotta let them breeeeeeeeeeeathe maaaaaan

Veg, are you volunteering for George Michael/WHAM! poll?

nope

i'm terrified enough that I volunteered for Pearl Jam in like, 2015...ain't no way I'm volunteering for anything else EVER until that's over & it hasn't killed me

It's really not too hard if you just throw all the ballots in your recycle bin and make up the results you want to see.

(Just kidding about that, btw. All my polls is legit.)

classic rock nomination/discussion thread coming very soon

― ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Wednesday, January 1, 2014 9:45 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still! it's gonna be a slow burner because it seems like the big genre-spanning polls seem to take longer for people to put together ballots for (as opposed to just looking at one band's discography and quickly being able to ID favorites). so i would say, don't mind my slow progress and just proceed with any single artist polls in the queue, and we can worry about whether results rollouts overlap or anything later if it looks likely.

as far as I'm concerned, you could start the discussion thread at any time & it'll be it's own board

i.e. I listened to the .38 Special greatest hits album today

lol I did the same a couple weeks ago.

we are twentieth century foxes

i don't wanna start the thread until i've finished the 'starting list' of a few hundred songs that we can then add to (or subtract from if there's any debatable inclusions).

I'm v excited for it

oooh that reminds me I need to wash the Trans Am....

lol you didn't win that from Diamond Joe Biden in a high-stakes poker game, did you?

Veg, are you volunteering for George Michael/WHAM! poll?

Ismael Klata traded out his front-man/front-women idea and change it to this:
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata

Oh, I thought it was the new WHAM! Lineup

Make it so

It's the role I feel I can do

i would be up for doing a No Wave poll, or is that too esoteric?

i feel like that would be fun, because it's an area i've always been curious about, and theoretically it's a narrow enough categorization that i could probably listen to all the nominated records as a crash course in no wave and be able to vote.

can we skip all the polls between the next poll and my poll?

super down for no wave

too esoteric? i mean we're doing a Sightings poll...

it's pretty cool that we should be hitting the Outkast poll right around the time they'll be touring. it's fun when the timing of the polls feels accidentally fortuitous, like when the Neptunes poll went down circa the Pharrell comeback last summer.

i am not sure that raymond understood what this thread was about btw cos shorly after he said he wanted to do a sightings poll he went ahead and did this:

Who needs a clever title for vicious industrial noise rock par excellence? The SIGHTINGS studio album poll

xp

oh wait, see the last post in that thread

I'd vote in No Wave. As with all genre polls someone is going to have to do border policing.

I still think a Sightings poll is too niche for this kind of thing. I mean, only 15 people voted in a simple one-thread albums poll.

xp - I'd probably go with what is covered in the Marc Masters book and limit it to a certain time period + reissues, but no Daydream Nation or Golden Palominos from the late 80s, for example

I'd vote in No Wave. JF otm re Sightings.

Just bumping for no good reason except to say CLASSIC ROCK FUCKYEAHHHHHHHH *barfs on shoes*

"CLASSIC ROCK FUCKYEAHHHHHHHH" from me too

i just found myself waiting for the laundry to finish and listening to 'Eye in the Sky' and realizing how creepy that song sounds when you actually sing it. In other words, bring on the classic rock!

In the meantime, I think the Roxy/Ferry poll should go forward along with the classic rock poll, since some dude is going to have a period of determining the pool of songs. Charlie H, ready to roll with that?

In the meantime, I think the Roxy/Ferry poll should go forward along with the classic rock poll, since some dude is going to have a period of determining the pool of songs. Charlie H, ready to roll with that?

― 330,003 Luftballons (WilliamC), Saturday, February 1, 2014 11:33 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Re: Roxy getting going now, yes please!

someone plz remind me when the steely dan poll starts

happy to kick off the Roxy poll, yeah. will put it up tomorrow morning, or possibly later this evening if i'm home.

I'd vote in a no wave poll.

Sorry if I've misunderstood how polls work. I'm a little nervous about my second sightings poll, actually - there doesn't seem to be much interest yet. Maybe I care about shit that's just too obscure for ILM?

"The Most Dangerous Band In America" - The SIGHTINGS tracks poll chatter, cajoling, and bar snacks thread

Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry is in progress, just in case there's anyone who hasn't seen it yet: Weary of the waltz and mashed POLLtato schmaltz: The Roxy Music & Bryan Ferry Ballot Poll Thread

responding pretty late, but I am big into a No Wave poll!

Perhaps this has been discussed before, but would be people interested in a DFA poll? If there is interest, I would volunteer for that.

My familiarity nosedives after a certain point, but it'd be fun to catch up on the more recent stuff.

dfa would be dope. isn't no wave just 4 bands tho? and largely one album? never knew there was more to it

i mean i guess whoever those other 10 bands were on the bill the night that brian eno went to that show? but did they ever record and didnt half of them drop off the bill? is anything known about them

I can't lie, I'm getting antsy for the classic rock poll.

Anyone know what the parameters of that is going to be? Are 80s power ballads considered classic rock now?

classic rock poll destined for clusterfuck

Are 80s power ballads considered classic rock now?

guh, I hope not.

I think some dude is planning to synthesize a master voting/nominations list from a few sources, but he's the official source for all this, so I'm speaking out of turn.

can someone stick me down at the end of the queue for a 60s rock/weird hard n heavy type poll please.)like the 80s & 70s one)
If im still alive when it comes round i'll do it,

I'd also like to to Mike Patton at some point, but already down for NIN so maybe I'll wait a few years to volunteer for that one.

If someone else wants to do Mike Patton I wouldn't mind in the slightest BTW.

I can't lie, I'm getting antsy for the classic rock poll.

― WilliamC, Thursday, February 13, 2014 1:55 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm not gonna overlap with the "favorite albums of all time" poll that just came out of nowhere, so see ya in a few months.

ya honestly fuck that noise

that poll wont finish til end of april or something fwiw

so no reason why classic rock poll cant be done and dusted by then?

any reason why the other one didn't politely get in line like dozens of others have?

GOOD QUESTION

yeah that was a little weird now that i think about it
also i always vote for my favorites

ppl probably don't need to do much listening for a classic rock poll

any really!

I would like to know why this all time thing gets precedence.

yeah that's bullshit

I would like to know why this all time thing gets precedence.

― EZ Snappin, Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

because it was started impulsively by someone obsessed with polls

There is some precedent for bigger genre polls like 50s Tracks and Postwar Jazz Albums doing their thing outside the numbered list without causing too many ripples either way. This all-time thing seems too broad, though, and I'm not getting anywhere near it. What is the value in measuring Tusk against 36 Chambers against Giant Steps? (Underrated Aero is invited to jump in at this point and ask the value of measuring Tusk against Then Play On.)

Ehhh...is there any surprise at all in AG jumping onto the dance floor to show us his moves? Like a "60s rock/weird hard n heavy type poll" -- what does this even mean? 100% guaranteed to have nominations thrown out because they don't fit his definition of...whatever the definition turns out to be. "But enough about me, dahling, let's talk about you. What do you think of me?"

But sure, AG, I'll put you on the list for a "60s rock/weird hard n heavy type poll please," I'm sure it will be FUN.

lol

and george when you read this now you know *why?*

Ehhh...is there any surprise at all in AG jumping onto the dance floor to show us his moves? Like a "60s rock/weird hard n heavy type poll" -- what does this even mean? 100% guaranteed to have nominations thrown out because they don't fit his definition of...whatever the definition turns out to be. "But enough about me, dahling, let's talk about you. What do you think of me?"

Unless you were in a coma for the 80s and 70s heavy/weird polls, how can you not know what it means? I'd say they were pretty damn inclusive because by definition they embraced the quirky, odd tastes of ILM, and the results were pretty amazing. They were the best polls on this board along with the jazz poll. ILM is in general a fun waste of time, and the artist polls are okay, but if it weren't for those big polls, I probably would have weeded this board out of my semi-daily browses a couple years ago.

big polls: 1
other: 0

Pink Floyd: Rules

I pushrd Herman on the 60s poll in another thread so its p much my fault. Agreed w Fastnbulbous that 80s and 70s rawk poll were huge amounts of fun but I wasnt really thinking how many toes were being kinda stepped on. Sorry about that

AG's 70s weird melting pot was truly amazing, but yeah, I 'm saddened to see this all time thingy getting ahead. There was a few polls I was looking forward too (classic rock, YLT, Outkast, Eno, Dylan, Sleater-Kinney) and now we will have to wait extra months? Saddened.

now we will have to wait extra months?

Fuck no. This all-time thing is stupid. some dude should go ahead with the classic rock poll because he'd already booked the room.

the sooner we do klassik rock the sooner FLOYD RULES the polling

tbh i was afraid I was going to miss the klassik rollout so I'm secretly glad it was delayed a bit but god please don't wait on it til mfing april

all I want to know is do I have time to feather my hair y/n

You've had like thirty years

what you guys dont realise is that I found out yesterday Nick had planned the alltime poll with another (ex?)ilxor months ago(its part of a bigger picture apparently) so I had to drop the idea, but then they decided to let me help out with the ilm thing. It was going to happen anyway and William's projections are hilariously WRONG.

And yet when I join the queue for a poll, as you all were bitching about I receive a personal attack by William (not for the 1st time) who likes to make things about me as he cant hide his personal hatred.

There is no reason why some dude cant run his poll. The alltime poll wont even be voting for a month and another month for actual voting as decided by nick.

Look, we all decided on a community standard a few years back. It works really well. When multiple polls are running, it kinda cluttered up the board and it's difficult for the poll respondents. Not everyone has the time to devote to creating ballots for more than one of these at a time. I mean, a successful poll in everyone's eyes is gonna have more voters, right? We all take a break for the eoy polls and sometimes we shoehorn on special memorial polls when notable musicians die. I put in for the hair metal poll back in 2012 or something? I'm looking forward to running it maybe this fall. Don't really understand why scik mouthy and your poll should be some kinda magnificent exception to this.

I think the point is more that everyone is focusing on Herman at the moment when they should also be spending some time yelling at Nick (who seems to have disappeared?)

dont yell at nick. Im a big boy I can handle all the bullshit. The point djp is no one should be yelling at anyone.

and I thought you would know better

Guys, this thread and the ordering system was started for artist ballot polls. When I was talking about maybe doing a 'best music videos' poll I was *specifically* told that I shouldn't put that on this list, because it was a separate thing. So no, there is no community consensus, and no, these poll-obsessed weirdos don't need your permission to run something that will probably be terrible.

which artist is "the 'Classic Rock' canon"?

http://www.simplyeighties.com/resources/Sky-Album-Cover.jpg

was started for

Reading comprehension, do you have it? People have started fucking around and putting various things in here. But fucking around with what a thing is for is not the same thing as having a community standard in place.

re: classic rock, emil.y's point might stand actually - I was the one who threw that one in the lineup here, totally disregarding the 'artist polls' thing. I think it might have just slipped past, or at that time it was so far in the future that nobody would have considered that it might pop up at the same time as a general/decade/genre poll.

which artist is "Producers"? how about "Motown singles", "Stax" and "Disco"?

^ I refer you to the reading comprehension post

I refer you to the fact that the producers poll was suggested and claimed within two days of the beginning of the original thread.

i've got to say, speaking as notorious enemy of pollery and general mean git, that this system that's evolved seems to work really well for the poll fans - i think you probably maximize your contributions by narrowing your focus. and obv i hate "poll poll poll poll poll" all over this place but hey people are still free to express themselves in whatever ways they see fit (however quixotic) and these things live or die by people choosing to play or not

i wd respectfully ask our bird-house dwelling chum not to go nuts with the advertising tho - people who wanna play, will play

I mean, the actual argument here is that all of these polls are about individual songs and this one was a album poll and that kind of makes it its own thing, but no one seems to want to make that argument but instead wants to make easily disproved comments about the "intent" of organizing these polls (which IIRC was "stop running all of these damn polls at the same time, let's put them in order so we don't turn ILM into a budget version of rateyourmusic.com")

maybe we shd just finally create an "I Love Polls" sub-board

Classic rock has been in the queue, and widely anticipated, for ages - if the organisers want the board's kind-of-undivided attention for a couple of weeks, I'm in favour of respecting their wishes.

I'd be happy if all non-eoy polls went on the conveyor belt, without exception. At the moment though, I don't think that the "rules" are as strict as that.

lol, "easily disproved". Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

In that thread: some people ask whether or not non-artist polls should be included, some people talk openly about not including them, some people claim a space for their non-artist polls. Not in that thread: an establishment of a community standard.

IF mods want to decide that this thread constitutes a rule that needs to be followed for all polls, THEN they should enforce that. However, until that happens, Nick and AG are not breaking any rules, and they shouldn't be pilloried.

If you don't want to contribute to a poll, don't contribute to a poll. It's quite simple. I barely ever contribute to any. I barely ever look at them. Thus I have no idea why people get so pissed off about them.

and.... what was the outcome of that conversation? a producers poll, a disco poll, a Stax poll, etc etc. How is this a problem with my reading comprehension?

Your comprehension is clearly poor as you still seem to think I'm denying the existence of those things when I'm very obviously noting them, and claiming that they don't make a rule, and that nowhere in these threads is a rule created to deal with them.

yep

rules aren't necessarily formally laid out on a board like this, but the absence of a Rule doesn't mean there isn't a rule; the process you're thrashing thru now is part of establishing that kinda rule? like the difference between laws and social conventions

^^^

I mean basically the problem is that this thread and its predecessor work on the assumption that too many polls at once is bad for all of them - people can't make ballots, can't find time to participate in the threads, it's a drag. BUT: an unscheduled poll may, based on its topic, be really appealing to lots of people who aren't necessarily following the order-and-timing thread. They are, like the people making ballots in the current Albums poll, stoked to participate. That wouldn't be a problem, except now, the next person to start a poll that is on the 'schedule' is put in a bind: Do I start this long-scheduled poll, at the risk that much of ILM will see it as the late-comer that's adding to a pile-on? "Crap, I would totally have made a classic rock ballot, that sounds awesome, but..." Or do I wait, even though a) I've been waiting my turn, b) we just waited out the EOY polls, and c) waiting is in turn holding up every other poll further down in the queue?

Unless there's a larger ILM consensus to stick with the ordered-and-timed schedule, then that schedule can always get derailed completely by an unscheduled (I'm trying to avoid saying "rogue") operator.

My feeling is that there has been something of an ILM consensus about the validity of the order-and-timing threads in the three years since they've been in use. It's possible of course that I'm overstating that, or reading too much into the success of the polls they've spawned. I do think the results of this system have met with much more public approval than the results of a hypothetical world where all of the last twenty polls had taken place the same month would have! We don't really have a moderation test case though - the rogue Madonna poll was locked, but because it was a swipe at a particular poster, not specifically because the O&T list was "law."

It might be that this current situation is sort of a once-in-a-blue-moon freak storm, just because both Classic Rock Canon and Favorite Albums Ever are kind of broad-base things that you expect lots of ILMers might get on board with - and have to split their time between. Whereas I'm not sure that's true of some artist vs. artist combos - but this is ILM, a place more likely than anywhere on the internet to have people who are fans of both Billy Joel and suicide metal or whatever.

ha i guess i did end up saying "rogue" but ykwim

the process you're thrashing thru now is part of establishing that kinda rule?

Yeah, I agree with this. A "crisis-point" happens and the reactions to it will establish what happens in the future. Which looks like it may well be all non-eoy polls... on the conveyor belt, without exception, and that will be fine. I just feel like there is an unfair reaction going on here, when this is more the establishing case than a rogue rule-breaker.

yeah this feels more like a test case than a shocking faux pas

firmly in the "starting a huge poll on your own is a dick move" camp, fuck that

It's not really the first time we've been over this, tbh - it's come up in reference to other polls with some of the same characters involved, but it played out on other threads and I wouldn't say that a final consensus was reached.

I won't be voting in the albums poll for all the above reasons, but if I'm honest I don't know if I would have anyway - I don't know as many albums as some folks and my ballot would probably be pretty corny/ignorant/naive.

obv compromise is slot all-time poll in the queue and nominations can continue until said time it's due to start.

I don't know as many albums as some folks and my ballot would probably be pretty corny/ignorant/naive.

This has never stopped me.

I'm planning on setting up a dozen socks, then all of us submitting ballots made up solely of Sgt Pepper, Blonde On Blonde, Blue, Nevermind, etc etc

in what way would that alter the results?

Why take the chance?

that's the spirit

i decided not to nom all the Nolans albums in the end, trying to keep it posi in 2014

i apologize if my 2 testy posts yesterday stirred the pot for this maybe kind of unnecessary clusterfuck. truth be told the classic rock poll will probably be sooner than later, i was just annoyed.

don't drive angry

http://www.43rdstateblues.com/images/dont-drive-angry.jpg

please do not add my request to the list thanks.

and some dude - no worries!

I regret airing out my problems with AG on this thread; AG, I apologize. My feelings don't rise to the level of hatred as you characterized them, but the difference is meaningless when I show my ass in public like that.

and some dude - no worries!

― ۩, Friday, February 14, 2014 7:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i wasn't apologizing to you, dingus

update: the all-time albums poll has been called off.

but, you have till Monday to vote in the Roxy Music/BF poll if you haven't yet done so.

the official word is that the all-time albums poll has been POSTPONED, not called off altogether as i initially put forward.

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/funny-gifs-want.gif

lol

Herman asked to limit conversation to the alltime poll thread but there's a couple issues raised here that I wanted to respond to:

I am not a major proponent of the all-time albums poll, but I feel like there's an underlying assumption in a lot of the attacks against it that 'all polls are created equal' that I think is at the very least wrong if not a little disingenuous. emil.y is completely correct when she says the queue was specifically put in place for artist ballot polls, which are an entirely different beast than wide-spanning genre polls. The artist polls usually take two weeks--one for voting/campaigning, one for rollout--and the ballots are basically pox thread posts. (In fact, artist polls really are just a giddy update on the whole pox thread template.) Anyways, the narrower field of nominations and the brevity of proceedings is what makes the queue feasible, because it means things are always moving forward. I know that there have been a lot of genre polls waiting their turn, but I mean, for one thing, there were other artist polls going on at the same time, moving the queue forward while the big ones were working through the nominations process and the campaigning process and allowing potential voters to explore the depth and breadth of the genre or record labels. Plus, at the risk of being egregiously presumptuous, my impression is that with polls like the disco poll or the Stax poll or the Motown poll, the pollmasters were people who had been toying with the idea for a poll but had been daunted by the task, whether because of time constraints or because of inexperience + the assumption that running a poll was an impossibly huge undertaking. But I hardly feel like if Tuomas or someone else had been gung ho and wanted to run a disco poll within the next couple months that people really would've been giving the poster that much flack. The truth of the matter is that there is room for two or three bigger polls in a year to run along side the artist poll queue. Like, what if some dude or Johnny Fever or whoever decides next year they want to do a 00s albums/tracks poll? Are they gonna have to wait til 2018 to do it then?

I think that Scik and Herman could have done a couple things differently, like acknowlegded this thread existed, brought up the idea with people here, seen if they could squeeze in, or at least maybe had taken stock of some dude's response and pushed it back a couple of months until the Classic Rock Canon (which is def a wider-spanning genre poll) had finished up (esp. since I know some dude was already a little leery of the content overlap from Herman's 70s rawk/weird poll). But this sort of back-of-the-line, sign-up sheet absolutism strikes me as a bit obtuse and threatens to kill some of the spontaneity that can make polls fun...

Plus, at the risk of being egregiously presumptuous, my impression is that with polls like the disco poll or the Stax poll or the Motown poll, the pollmasters were people who had been toying with the idea for a poll but had been daunted by the task, whether because of time constraints or because of inexperience + the assumption that running a poll was an impossibly huge undertaking

this sentence was supposed to continue on to say:

and that the sign up sheet format helped them to take the plunge by allowing them to just put one's name down to commit to doing it in a year or two's time.

(that is probably kind of presumptuous of me though, apologies)

I'm not that fussed about the albums poll - there's plenty of room for the occasional broad poll to run alongside artist polls imo, and at least the 'of all time' parameter makes sense. I might even vote in it.

But to have it just land, like you're not even aware of what's going on in this thread, seems really weird. In fact, do you even participate in other people's polls, or just your own? In which case, maybe not promote them like they're the only show in town?

I know you were joking about fake ballots n stuff but it wasn't helpful considering previous nastiness we have got in voting forms. It doesn't take much encouragement for some.

i think you're being a bit precious there dude. i don't think joking about being a dick has any influence on whether somebody feels like being a dick.

it also occurred to me in a way that the poll format here is a little self-defeating? why not start a thread where people laud 10 or 12 of their personal favourite albums, if this is about introducing others to new stuff? that way you mightn't have the overwhelmingly long listing process wherein nobody's really gonna be able to process all that stuff for months. just thinking out loud.

so has the Classic Rock Canon poll started?

no

LET THERE BE ROCK

may launch the noms thread on monday, if life and deadlines don't get in the way.

it also occurred to me in a way that the poll format here is a little self-defeating? why not start a thread where people laud 10 or 12 of their personal favourite albums

People hate list threads way more than polls. At least big polls bring (mostly) all the community together. Just look at the amount of people who nominated/still are. Who have never taken part in any of my polls before and many whom have probably not taken part in this thread either.

And IF all time poll is forced to get in the 3 year queue does that mean the half decade poll has to as well? No one has answered that yet.

nobody's "forcing" anybody to do anything, man. the community is establishing the etiquette for this stuff and you can follow it or not, as long as you understand that when you don't, people have opinions.

half decade poll would probably just come at the end of the half-decade just like year-end polls get done at the end of the year, usually the 'timely' stuff like that (or RIP polls for artists who just passed away) takes precedent.

so basically an all-time poll doesn't fit into this thread either then.

voting opens the day after Judgement Day

of course we'll already have God's top 100 by then

lol

Is he bigger than the Beatles though? His son wasn't apparently.

*Beatles disqualified for being bigger than my son

Icon that doesn't display on my cheap phone, I gotta say, I'd be more sympathetic to your poll position (ha) if it weren't for the tone you've struck on this thread, and moreso in the other thread, which can very easily be read as ''gosh, sorry all you lovely people who want to do this poll, but a bunch of meanies and don't want you to have that fun, so I'll be the bigger person and take my toys and go home so that the death panel can decide all our fates. Happy Nominating!'' It reads as this mutant form of passive aggression where somehow the community at large becomes responsible for your choice to not engage with the queue process.

Bringing in end-of-decade/EOY posts is a red herring - those kinds of things have always had precedence in the queue because they only make sense at certain times. It's not remotely clear why ''an all-time poll doesn't fit into this thread'' unless you believe the end of time (EOT) is nigh and that this is therefore the only appropriate time for this poll.

I put Classic Rock in the queue maybe two years ago, I think, and passed it on to some dude a year and a half ago when I started back to school. You could have put ''all albums'' in back then and we wouldn't be having any discussion at all, but what I get from you is the sense that the queue doesn't apply to you and that the polls it organizes don't interest you. If that's the case, just say that and spare us the disingenuous ''poor little ol' me'' posts.

The funny thing is that the queue system has actually given us more and better polls! As noted upthread, people are inspired to sign up partly by the cushion that it's a ways away - and are motivated to stick with the idea in a way that they might not have been before the system. It unquestionably has downsides, for example I think it puts on pressure to have a pretty fast rollout of results, which I think is tough both on poll-runners and readers. But it's so much better than a free for all. If you don't agree, please stake out an alternative.

and look at the tone in the reply when I did ask for something to be put in the queue..

lists w/ explanations &c. infinitely preferable to polls

obviously there's room for both & its good to hear from ppl who feel happier voting in polls & get a senae of the lay of ilxland, but the all-time poll is so byzantine it feels like an absurdist critique of ilx poll culture

yep

"so byzantine" is a fair criticism. but just from scanning the spreadsheet of nominations, i've already preliminarily explored, and added to my itunes "wish list," half-a-dozen albums. that type of discovery is all i'm hoping for through this exercise.

LJ's idea of a v restricted ballot appealed to me tho. Wld enjoy seeing ilxors making a case for ten favs or something in any format

A shame he would need to wait 3 years then

Anyway Im bored of arguing about this so no more on this from me. Polls already off anyway. Classic rock poll is starting soon so invest your energies in that instead of arguing over rules and other shit.

someone w/ coding skills cld create a permanent, fluid ilx top 100/500/1k albums which users cld submit/edit ballots towards to give you an ever-changing manifestation of ilx's collective tastes, tho it wld lack the declarative finality of a roll-out & wld be trickier to feel proprietorial about

this is a good idea ^^^^^^^^^, with something to allow those who've already voted to swap albums in-and-out, but not cast multiple votes.

Yeah that actually feels like an interesting idea

ILX's very own RYM account.

there's this magazine called sight & sound, right, and every 10 years they do a list of the best films OF ALL TIME, it's silly and useful and interesting and pointless and whatever, but they manage to do it despite such an exercise being impossibly "byzantine". Although I'm sure every time it almost gets derailed by some critics going "but we're already doing a feature on the top 10 italian horror movies this year wtf".

Anyway I don't see why this couldn't be something like that, it would be crazy and fun and I'd enjoy reading lists of people's favourite records ever and why they love them. I wouldn't be devastated if it didn't happen, but I hope it does and it does seem like a different kind of thing to the narrower-focus polls. That is my important opinion.

idgif tbh. if it had kicked off parallel to an artist poll it probably would have been nbd but the "classic rock" poll has been coming for a long time and has a similar gonzo hodgepodge vibe (at least in theory).

anyway I'm looking forward to the opportunity to vote for head east and duke jupiter in something

basically Doctor Casino otm on all points. "all albums ever" and "all classic rock hits ever" are too big (and in that sense similar) to run at the same time. a few months between them is reasonable. so, is the classic rock poll happening? (sorry if I missed something)

yeah it is

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/57/57edc1349db42b32d2baf3642ea8f050930186de9387b0a118caa92567ac678d.jpg

lol VG

idgi ._.

bill magill's gonna freak

there was no devo poll?

I honestly thought viceroy had done one. Mustve been a standard ilx poll

POLLing and turning, how can I sleep?: The Roxy Music & Bryan Ferry Results Thread

can i get a spot at the end of the line for a misfits/samhain/danzig poll? or would nobody care about that..?

Grady, can I go out and poll tonight?

Gonna post a new full list with 107/They Might Be Giants/Johnny Fever and gr8080's request, but first I want to check -- Sarahell, were you officially putting yourself on the list for No Wave or just gauging interest? And Van Horn Street, ditto for DFA.

i will volunteer to run DFA instead of danzig if VHS doesn't want to

paging sarahell, also paging some dude (or paging Elvis Telecom if you're too busy)

Actually, if Classic Rock is going to have a lengthy nominations period before voting, Floyd could run concurrently.

I will run the DFA poll.

put me down for misfits/samhain/danzig then!

YES

and you have to title it

Grady, can I go out and poll tonight?

is there any way that Floyd could possibly *not* run concurrently with classic rock?

personal request, idk if anyone else feels the same way but the thought of participating in both at the same time is daunting to say the least

I'm totally cool with there not being a poll in process for a few days until Classic Rock gets off the ground. Go outside. Smell a flower. Kick a ball.

a flower? on feb 21? not here.

smell a melting pile of slush in a corner of the parking lot

smell a freshly roiling floe of dog urine

i'm constantly, like, a day away from being caught up enough w/ my professional writing obligations that i don't feel terribly irresponsible spending some time getting the Classic Rock poll setup, so i mean, it'll happen when it happens. maybe even tomorrow (no, really!). if Elvis Telecom wants to coordinate w/ me so we're not running stuff at the same time, that's fine by me, i can wait or i can get mine done before his.

i don't really care, i'm just pissy because there are no flowers to smell around here for a good long while and i heard "dust in the wind" on the radio yesterday.

yeah, I will run a No Wave poll

OK! That gives us this:

A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (COMING SOON)
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h (finished)
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
53. Outkast - The Reverend
54. Autechre - Leee
55. Brian Eno - WmC
56. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
58. Radiohead - nate woolls
59. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
62. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
63. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
64. Italo - daavid
65. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
66. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
67. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB
86. The Smiths - nate woolls
87. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
88. The Burt Bacharach songbook - WilliamC
89. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
90. Royal Trux + side projects - Drugs A. Money
91. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
92. Rush - Matt #2
93. Oasis - darraghmac
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata
95. Talking Heads - Bee OK
96. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
97. Van Halen - Johnny Fever
98. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
99. Low - aldo
100. Nine Inch Nails - chap
101. REM - rogermexico.
102. Bjork - Eric H.
103. Wu-Tang Clan - ― Spottie
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs)
105. Covers - kornrulez6969
106. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee
107. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever
108. No Wave - sarahell
109. DFA - Van Horn Street
110. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080

can I turn my Extreme Metal poll into a Black Metal poll?

no prob

you can, but you must first murder one (1) bandmember and drink their blood

Would there be interest in a Gainsbourg poll?

I'd be interested, but seeing as I pretty much always fail to vote in artist-specific polls maybe that doesn't mean much.

l'Histoire de Emil.y Pollshun

A French pop poll would be great! Or a non-English language European one!

I don't know what I'm so excited about btw!

A larger French language poll would interest me, but a concentration on Gainsbourg alone would be out of my depth.

Of course, now that I think about it, my ballot in a broader French language poll would still be fairly small.

French pop/French language/non-Anglophone poll would be right up my alley.

Would be keeen as moutarde on a Gainsbourg or French pop poll!

i'm constantly, like, a day away from being caught up enough w/ my professional writing obligations that i don't feel terribly irresponsible spending some time getting the Classic Rock poll setup, so i mean, it'll happen when it happens. maybe even tomorrow (no, really!). if Elvis Telecom wants to coordinate w/ me so we're not running stuff at the same time, that's fine by me, i can wait or i can get mine done before his.

SD, feel free to go ahead with the Classic Rock poll now. I can wait on the taxiway a little bit longer.

super excited for the Floyd, Dan, Dylan, S-K run.

can't believe we haven't done Steely Dan yet.

Or Floyd!

SD, feel free to go ahead with the Classic Rock poll now. I can wait on the taxiway a little bit longer.

― Elvis Telecom, Friday, February 21, 2014 9:46 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm only halfway through typing/formatting the (huge) preliminary noms list so i'm not going to advise you to bother waiting for me

is hocus pocus by focus on it

it is now

http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif

Will roll out Floyd now then...

cool! that'll buy me some time to get my ducks in a row

awesome. Floyd!

RULES
RULES
RULES

update... starting Floyd tomorrow.

RULES

And we're go!

All in all you're just another vote in the POLL! The Pink Floyd ballot poll thread (ILM Artist Poll Thread #49)

I can't remember any of the arguments against a poll of Beatles solo careers, so I think I'll put myself on the list to do that one in however many years.

Cool. I hope there won't be zero living Beatles by that time.

Assuming Bee OK is on for Steely Dan, I'm thinking the Dylan poll will kick off mid-to-late Aprilish?

Just trying to plan...

If no single artist poll is going to run concurrently with Classic Rock, I guess that sounds about right.

so i have been thinking about timing for Steely Dan. i should be able to go right after Pink Floyd. i need to ask for a couple of days off to run this thing properly. if i do this right this could happen the first week of baseball which would be amazing, i can watch MLB Extra Innings and post the results during the first week of the season. baseball does have 162 games in 180 days so if the timing doesn't work it really is not that big of a deal. but i'm thinking since "Classic Rock" and Steely Dan overlap somewhat then they probably shouldn't run at the same time. so this can be delayed if Some Dude is going to run that poll here in the near future. thoughts?

hi

i'm working like 70 hours this week and i don't know when my life is going to go back to normal so don't make any plans around me, i'll do Classic Rock someday, but do your thing whenever you want to do it and in the unlikely event that i may overlap i'll consult w/ you.

70 hour work weeks, don't envy that at all. so now we know why "Classic Rock" has not started yet. and thanks SD.

on deck: Steely Dan

doing some research now.

Big critics band in the '70s, had a few hit singles too. Songs were often allusive, cryptic, and vaguely sinister; others were extremely buoyant, though. Didn't really sound like anybody else.

The poll can start now.

Floyd results in progress: Come in Poll #49, your results are up (Pink Floyd ballot poll results)

BTW, if any poll-runners are set-up with FileMaker I can send you a database I put together that makes poll tabulation super easy and instantaneous.

For Eno, one of the side polls will be Favorite Production/Co-Production Credit. What would be one or two other good side polls?

Favorite Oblique Strategy?

otm

lol

BTW, if any poll-runners are set-up with FileMaker I can send you a database I put together that makes poll tabulation super easy and instantaneous.

yes please, can you send it to: neworderpoll at gmail.

thanks

Reelin' in the Poll: STEELY DAN - ILM Artist poll #50 (voting ends Sunday March 30 at Midnight Pacific)

do we need a Pogues/MacGowan poll?

I still think there should be a Leonard Cohen poll.

Also maybe a kylie poll?

I still think there should be a Leonard Cohen poll.

― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, March 25, 2014

RUN IT!

Next up: Bob Dylan or Classic Rock?

The choice of Judas.

It occurred to me a few days ago that these ballot polls are like book clubs, but with an artist discog instead of Infinite Jest or Oprah's book of the month or whatever.

Anyway, some dude and tipsy -- what's the verdict, or do I chase down C.Grisso to do Sleater-Kinney?

Oh yeah, that's really good. It's to my regret that I've been too busy lately to get stuck into the most recent voting threads, but the work done there is ilx's best work imo.

Checking in. I could get the S-K poll started, but I'm almost at the tailend of one of my biggest workloads of the year, so it would have to be sometime next week (say, most likely Tuesday or Wednesday). That would probably work out okay with the end of the Dan poll, and ensures we get it done before Corin drops another solo lp (she's due for one).

This is down the road, but Yo La Tengo, which mookieproof was going to help me with, looks like it will happen sometime between next September and June. I can only do these during the summer, so I'll be asking for a handful of people to jump ahead.

So do we not have a live poll thread anymore that says when they are up and running?

Things are calming down for me work-wise that I can actually imagine kicking off Classic sometime this month, but if Dylan gets started before I do I will give it a lil breathing room. Getting really excited about all the ideas I have planned for CR though.

NTI, that's one of this thread's functions. This one replaced the original "order and timing" thread on 1/1.

As long as somebody gets going early next week when Steely Dan results are winding up, I'll be happy. I should have asked Tipsy about the Dylan poll at the Knoxville FAP on Saturday.

Polled At Last: STEELY DAN - ILM Artist poll #50

I can kick off Dylan this weekend, but tbh I'd be happy to wait a few weeks -- so if either the Classick or S-K want to fire up, that's fine by me.

I could do S-K next week.

Sorry to be anal about this, but me and Sleater-Kinney are next, yes?

Yeah, I think that's the best route. SD and TM both seem to want more time to set up. Steely Dan is finishing today I believe, so you could start today or wait until tomorrow.

OK. I could get it up late Monday or sometime Tuesday.

Question for my voters: I had originally planned to do a main tracks poll focusing on the Sleater-Kinney catalog plus the related works of Brownstein & Tucker (i.e. Excuse 17, Heavens To Betsy, Wild Flag, Corin Tucker Band etc.). However, looking at recent polls like the VU and especially the Ferry near-shutout on the Roxy rollout, would you folks prefer the non-SK stuff as a side poll instead?

yeah that might be better. happy for the dylan delay tbh, i can throw an s-k ballot together super quick but dylan one would take awhile.

god bless you for not continuing this "oh just throw the solo stuff in too" travesty of a mockery of a sham

^^^

would you folks prefer the non-SK stuff as a side poll instead?

It's kind of hard me to imagine that anything outside of the main SK canon will crack the top whatever, though it'd be interesting to see if the Spells or Cadallaca stack up.

Yeah, the Spells record is neat, and I'd sorta dig being able to vote for it in something, but no way is it going to take up slots in my SK ballot.

One more vote for side poll.

Noted! I'm working up some stuff now, should have the poll up later today!

Sleater-Kinney rules! :D

This is not specific to Sleater-Kinney, but I always figure a mixed poll is going to take care of itself. If you open up a band's poll to solo/side stuff, and the voters feel there's stuff there that's good enough to place, then they'll vote for it. If they don't, they won't. I plan to open up Yo La Tengo if anyone wants to vote for a Dump song, but I know that probably only one would have even a chance. No big deal.

Well, my original reasoning in including the non-SK stuff in the main SK poll was to augment the amount of votable tracks. The band's songbook is about 90 songs, and that number about doubles when you figure in all the earlier, side project, and solo work. The problem, as brought up by Dr. Casino upthread and illustrated in action by the Roxy Music poll, is that when you have a main body of work as a poll focus, that body of work will dominate over whatever else you include with it. Looking at the Roxy poll, and my disappointment at the lack of exposure to (new to me) Ferry solo tracks during the rollout, has led me to rethink how I'll run my poll.

Yes, it only works in one direction. (In one direction, not with One Direction.) If you want to poll solo stuff by Velvet Underground or Roxy Music or whoever people--even though I liked the combined Velvets poll--you can't include the band, because the band will dominate. But if you're polling the Velvet Underground or Roxy Music, I think it's fine to open it up to solo stuff. The solo material will probably place a few songs at best, and only if people actually choose to vote for them (they may not as a matter of philosophy). But the main poll won't be compromised--at least I don't think it will.

i think w/ velvets it worked solely cuz velvets catalog is so small and solo catalog so large and the gap in popularity and exposure wasn't insanely huge. plus the ballot was 50 tracks so you could easily do a top twenty vu and then have a top ten reed, cale, nico or however you wanted to break it down. even there shakey split the results so who knows what it would've looked like combined.

i thought it was weird that it was all voted for on one ballot and then split into different countdowns. prefer a solo track subpoll as a distinct thing all the way, like w/ Steely Dan.

in the past i might've advocated for polling everything include side projects for some bands, but more and more subpolls seem like the way to go. especially since it's hard even for a song or two from after the act's 'classic era' to place in the countdown, what hope do songs from solo albums have.

Thanks C G/M for stepping up to do SK. For planning purposes -- and to give everyone ample warning! -- I will plan to start the Dylan nominate/discuss thread immediately after SK wraps. UNLESS Some Dude wants to do the classic rock one then. Or that one could probably run alongside Dylan, since they're different enough, as long as the result rollouts were staggered.

So, whatever people want to do is OK by me. Just saying, start thinking about Dylan. It may be a slow train, but it's coming.

Can we vote for the Traveling Wilburys? The Masked Marauders? National Lampoon? (Not a serious question.)

Paul Simon was also an interesting test for this - huge catalog, arguably equally famous solo and band, one ballot, one rollout. I thought it produced an inarguably excellent top-tier Simon tracklist - maybe not as many funky surprises as you'd get if the ballot was only solo stuff - but a totally reasonable mixtape or 'best of' that I've handed off to people unfamiliar with Simon. And the rollout was super fun, so there's no point wondering if it would have been more 'interesting' if it was only solo. And if we'd had to produce two separate ballots, it's possible I might not have gotten around to voting (though in this case I doubt it).

(not THAT huge of a catalog mind you - he's not Dylan - but distinct from VU or the Police or somebody where winnowing it down to twenty songs on a ballot isn't quite so daunting.)

yeah Paul with and without Art is a rare example where 2 distinct acts/eras are remotely equivalent. Even The Police/Sting, which are pretty well matched commercially, would come out really lopsided in an ilx poll.

i thought it was weird that it was all voted for on one ballot and then split into different countdowns.

had to subvert popular will somehow

Lou woulda been proud, boy

since it's hard even for a song or two from after the act's 'classic era' to place in the countdown, what hope do songs from solo albums have.

No hope if they're not liked enough--I just don't see that as a problem. Unless you feel that once you open up a poll to solo stuff, it follows that solo stuff must therefore place. Don't mean to harp on this. I just see it as a non-problem that resolves itself.

Have we hit peak sub poll burnout yet? In the Pink Floyd poll, I only received two ballots for the non-Syd solo sub poll.

How big is the non-SK catalog? And are we going to count Lora M's band, or are we keeping it to Corin/Carrie/Janet? I might scrape together 10 songs from:

Heavens to Betsy
Excuse 17
Quasi
Cadallaca
The Spells
The Corin Tucker Band
Wild Flag

And hah we might as well count anything from the self-titled debut as non-SK.

since it's hard even for a song or two from after the act's 'classic era' to place in the countdown, what hope do songs from solo albums have.

No hope if they're not liked enough--I just don't see that as a problem. Unless you feel that once you open up a poll to solo stuff, it follows that solo stuff must therefore place. Don't mean to harp on this. I just see it as a non-problem that resolves itself.

― clemenza, Monday, April 7, 2014 7:43 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not a 'problem,' it's just a matter of, like, it was fun to count down the top ten Walter Becker/Donald Fagen solo tracks as an appetizer for the Steely Dan poll, but if it'd all been thrown in the same pot, there would've been at most maybe one Fagen track in the list. so by putting the solo stuff on an equal playing field, you're actually marginalizing it further instead of giving it its own space to evaluate and enjoy it.

xpost to Leee: I'll include Janet and Lora's stuff in the solo/side poll as well (just checked, Lora's band ninetynine has done EIGHT albums).

don't think quasi really should be in there

Have we hit peak sub poll burnout yet? In the Pink Floyd poll, I only received two ballots for the non-Syd solo sub poll.

i don't think so there were only a few ballots for the Steely Dan solo stuff but i got enough to make it interesting. plus the albums subpoll got 40 ballots for it, which is a huge number.

what abt portlandia xpost

like bee ok would admit to any sort of poll burnout

let's do loose fur next

I usually don't vote in any of the side polls unless I know the discography backwards and frontwards. Lately, the polls have been learning expeditions for me (Roxy, Dan). If there's a Dylan albums side-poll I'll definitely vote in that. I think the only Eno side poll is going to be Fave Production Job unless there's a clamor for Albums.

XPs Well, some Portlandia music featuring Carrie has been issued (digitally only IIRC), so if someone wants to vote for that stuff, they can. And as for Quasi, I debated keeping the solo/side poll to just Tucker & Brownstein, but in the name of completeness (and to make voting even more interesting) I've decided to let them in along with ninteynine.

lol at mookieproof, i'm very burned out right now. also, a very big fan of albums side polls.

If there's a Dylan albums side-poll I'll definitely vote in that

I don't even think of album polls as side polls, really. For artists with large enough catalogs, the albums are their own category. But there will be a Dylan albums poll for sure, along with a few other side polls.

"Are you hungry? Did you eat before the POLL?"_ILM Artist Poll #51_SLEATER-KINNEY

yeahhhh!

oooo getting closer to Autechre. very much excited about that one.

my cipater is getting eidetic just thinking about it

I don't know if The Reverend checks this thread -- I just sent him an ILXmail to give us a yea/nay on Outkast. Leee's pretty active on this thread so I assume if there was a problem with Autechre he'd have let us know about it. That'll get us through the next couple of months at least.

Do we really need another Autechre poll?

wait, waht?

There were a bunch of automated Autechre poll threads at one point iirc. But obviously if that precluded doing a ballot poll, most of them would not exist.

Yeah, there were a bunch. Whoever started all of them should be nutpunched.

lol

hey William, can you update my two mistakes when you update this the next time. somehow i dropped the names when i moved things around, so all you need to do is add these names.

45B. Velvet Underground + solo careers - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)

104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK

is there really no Sabbath on that list? geez louise

xp - will do

I saw some "gauging interest" ideas thrown out there since the last full list, but I think the only one that needs to be added is my poll of Beatles solo careers.

I do hope somebody will sign on for a Devo poll.

also is there an update here?

81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings

or: "The Most Dangerous Band In America" - The SIGHTINGS tracks poll chatter, cajoling, and bar snacks thread

I hadn't even noticed Raymond started that poll.

I heard back from the Rev -- he hasn't been following the ballot polls closely and said that if anyone would like to take the reins on Outkast, it'd be cool with him.

I'll do the Outkast poll.

Cool, thanks!

I'd like to run an Erykah Badu poll.

You're on the list, Eric.

Raymond, do you want me to drop Sightings? I just don't think the support is there for a ballot poll.

Wait, did I miss the Bob Dylan poll?

No, it or the classic rock poll is coming next. I HOPE.

Can I get a mod to add "VOTING ENDS Tuesday April 22nd at Midnight CST" to the S-K thread?

Ghost Mod has acted.

Thanks!

Dylan next? Any objections to opening voting during the Sleater-Kinney rollout?

who's running that? can we have a super long voting window?

I vote for super long voting window, because then it'll push back the Autechre poll and my preparation ("preparation") for it.

I vote for a super long voting window for Dylan because of the amount of material to be re-listened (and in some cases, listened) to.

I vote for a longish Dylan voting window and Classic Rock to run at the same time. I know that might be an unpopular opinion. Staggered results rollouts, of course.

Since the classic rock poll is formed around a predetermined list, intensive listening will be minimized (unless you've never turned on a radio or gone out in public for the last 30 years).

I was thinking of rolling out Dylan nomination/voting thread this weekend, but only if Grisso doesn't mind. And I'm fine with however long a voting period people want -- 3 weeks at least, but really since I'm taking a short vacation over Memorial Day, 4 weeks would work well for me. I won't have time to tabulate and prepare results until the last week of May anyway.

You've got a lot of nerve to say you are my friend if you won't have time to tabulate and prepare results until the last week of May anyway.

XP I don't mind. I can probably start revealing my sub polls tomorrow. I don't know yet how long my main rollout will be tho.

I vote for a longish Dylan voting window and Classic Rock to run at the same time. I know that might be an unpopular opinion. Staggered results rollouts, of course.

― objects in mirror may be closer than (WilliamC), Tuesday, April 22, 2014

I stand with WilliamC

now face west

If Dylan results are more than a month away, something really should run concurrently, and classic rock is the best option, imo.

If people want a quicker turnaround on Dylan, I can do that too. It would mean shutting off the poll around May 15, probably. My out-of-pocket dates are the 23rd-26th, so it'll either have to be all done by then or have the results wait til afterward. A longer one would be easier for me, but I will defer to the masses.

(And concurrent with Classic Rock is fine by me, but that depends on some dude.)

Dylan poll should be between four and six months long IMO, like some major medieval festival coming once every twenty-five years or something.

otm

Sleater-Kinney results: "I'm The Queen of Rock and POLL!!!!!!"_ILM Artist Poll #51_SLEATER-KINNEY_ RESULTS THREAD

Just to clarify--I'm sure you got it--my Dylan post above was meant as a joke.

Kinda hoping there's a Worst Songs side poll for Dylan, and then I kinda want to poll Elton's worst against Dylan's.

― Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Thursday, April 24, 2014 4:11 PM

just throwing this out there

cuz I love Dylan but man do I hate some of his songs

Oh there will be a worst Dylan songs poll, for sure.

rereading this for ready reference: What is the worst ever line from a Bob Dylan song?

OK, going live on a Saturday night for all you shut-ins:

It's a Wonder We Can Even POLL Ourselves: The Bob dang Dylan Thread for Nominating, Balloting, Competing, Beating, Cheating, Mistreating and Talking That the Heat Put Plants in the Beds, But ...

Will have a first-take ballot to you within 30 minutes.

is something going to run along with Bod Dylan since the voting is open for such a long time. either "Classic Rock" or Outkast would work i would think. i know it was brought up already so this is more of a bump.

I could do Outkast probably starting this weekend

Hot Bod Dylan

You may call me Bod, you may call me Zimmy

Two artist polls going at once is kinda unusual though, no? Of course, I probably wouldn't be saying this if I didn't want to vote in both and was worried about dividing my attention too much (Dylan's catalogue is daunting enough to re-evaluate without throwing Outkast on top of it).

i gotta clarify that i def can't do oasis, sorry- back at college and still settling in to a more hectic work schedule. iirc someone else had volunteered to do it if i pulled out

At this pace you can get your doctorate before Oasis comes up.

lol, no kidding.

I wish I could vote in a Billy Joel poll TODAY RIGHT NOW

Sooner or later, you'll feel that momentum kick in.

it just may be a billy joel listening thread you're looking for -- and that could happen at any moment if i'm reading the tea leaves correctly.

I'm already on deck for two more polls lol but...

would there be any interest in a Native Tongues poll?

yeah

A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (COMING SOON)
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h (finished)
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom (finished)
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK (finished)
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra (TIME RUNNING OUT TO VOTE)
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain (finished)
53. Outkast - Spottie
54. Autechre - Leee
55. Brian Eno - WmC
56. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
58. Radiohead - nate woolls
59. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
62. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
63. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
64. Italo - daavid
65. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
66. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
67. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB
86. The Smiths - nate woolls
87. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
88. The Burt Bacharach songbook - WilliamC
89. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
90. Royal Trux + side projects - Drugs A. Money
91. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
92. Rush - Matt #2
93. Oasis - pollrunner needed for this one
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata
95. Talking Heads - Bee OK
96. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
97. Van Halen - Johnny Fever
98. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
99. Low - aldo
100. Nine Inch Nails - chap
101. REM - rogermexico.
102. Bjork - Eric H.
103. Wu-Tang Clan - ― Spottie
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK
105. Covers - kornrulez6969
106. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee
107. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever
108. No Wave - sarahell
109. DFA - Van Horn Street
110. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080
111. Beatles solo careers - WilliamC
112. Erykah Badu - Eric H.

some dude, is Classic Rock a go during/after Dylan results?

how many get done a year?

In the early days, about 20. So far this year, four.

Those four ruled tho.

i'll check back in four years and see how the fahey poll is coming along

some dude, is Classic Rock a go during/after Dylan results?

― Deep brain stimulation leads patient to become huge Johnny Cash fan (WilliamC), Monday, May 26, 2014 3:24 PM (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am an unpredictable Neil Young kind of classic rock pollrunner, not a corporate rock clock puncher. the label will hear the album when it's ready.

(that's not a "no," though, I will say the outlook is good, I'm just not going to make any promises that could still be broken)

I'm ready to start Outkast if we want to speed things up a bit? Gonna be on vacation starting in 3 weeks so I could wrap the whole thing up before I leave if I start it today/tomorrow?

I think that would be great. I don't think it would cross up tipsy on Dylan results. If anything, the Dylan rollout will draw some attention away from early Outkast campaigning, but people can deal with 2 things at once.

Outkast is go!
COS I'M COOLER THAN A POLLER BEAR'S TOENAILS — Outkast artist poll

ice polled title imo

I mean what's poller than poll?

106. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee

Can we please please add Destroyer and Neko Case to this?

NO

yeah that's silly

okay maybe as side polls?

More like a Co-Poll, considering the amount of material under consideration (which already dwarfs the Newpies catalogue even before considering AC Newman, Zumpano...)

Just as I'd hoped, there was a band named Poll ("Maybe the most famous greek psychedelic folk rock band of the late 60's early 70's era"--skip the maybe, no one's going to argue). Here they are with Ποιος Μπορεί Να Πιστέψει:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLjRw8FzqqQ

Someone should run a poll. I want to see what they name it.

The POLLingest POLL in the POLLStory of POLLS.

Not Aphrodite's Child?

i know i got Queen to do at some stage, but please also put me down for Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party etc.

Dylan countdown: POLLING THUNDER REVUE: The Bob Dylan Poll Results Thread (He Acts Like We Never Have Met)

Outkast countdown: OLD SCHOOL PLAYERS TO NEW SCHOOL POLLS — Outkast artist poll RESULTS

What, if anything, will happen after that? Stay tuned!

*rolls dice* c'moooooon classic rock

^^^

yeah Classic Rock, oh wait.

77. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S

once again, i'd like to change my pick. i'd like to change it from Dinosaur Jr. to...

CAN

please. man, this is gonna be so fun in 2018

that's the rabies talking

lollll

oh man please don't drop the Dinosaur poll

yeah man leave that one be

i agree, just add CAN as well.

Yay Autechre's next!

xpost
thing is, when i volunteered to do dino jr. i was starting to get really into them and i just assumed by now i'd be an "expert" on them. but then i kind of fizzled out and i really have no business running the poll. my own ballot would be pretty lame (heavy on the S/T and YLAOM and Bug because those are the only ones i really like). i know a lot more about CAN and care a lot more about them as well, frankly.

105. Covers - kornrulez6969

This is cover versions, not album covers.

I'll try to remember to add that detail in the next full list. An album covers poll would be fun though.

Charlie, Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party is in at 113.

KM, Dino Jr will morph into Can.

thanks!

oh yeah

Hahah Lech.

i see what you did there!

halleluwah

a sincere response as well! don't let me miss that one.

Don't worry, we'll remind you in three years!

^

btw, if you die of rabies I'm changing it back to Dinosaur

deal!

Not that I'm saying the Ae poll is going to happen -- partly because of busyness, but mostly because I'm out of title puns -- but I was thinking of throwing just about everything into one single poll: Ae along with Gescom and Ae remixes, and maybe even Ae remixed by others.

Notes on Eno: Eligibility for the tracks poll will include solo albums and collaborations (Eno/Cale, Eno/Hyde, Budd/Eno, Eno/Wobble, etc) and also albums by groups that Eno was a member of. So, Passengers is included, Harmonia '76 is included, the first two Roxy albums are included. But the nature of his collaborations churns the question of eligibility a bit.

Should Bowie's Berlin Trilogy be included?
Should More Songs About Buildings and Food, Fear of Music and Remain in Light be included?
Should James' Wah Wah be included? Should only the songs Eno mixed be included?

--------------------

Meanwhile, can we have Classic Rock?

no to all of those imo

OK maybe the songs of Remain In Light w/co-writing credits

i like the idea of a poll of everything Eno ever touched as a producer or whatever, but it seems like that is not the concept of the poll and it's more about his solo stuff and bands, and it's not like we didn't have a Bowie poll and don't have a Talking Heads poll scheduled down the road.

yeah leave that for side poll, maybe most 'eno' not officially eno tracks so you can add 'unforgettable fire', 'lemon', whatever else to the pile as well. would leave actual eno tracks poll to stuff that has his name on the spine. personally i'd probably have the roxy tracks in that side poll tbh. i can see other arguments though.

Here was my thinking: Passengers and Harmonia '76 tracks should be included in the main poll, imo. I couldn't see any way to include them and exclude the two Roxy albums, even though Roxy has just been polled. But Roxy through an Enocentric lens looks different than Roxy through a Ferrycentric one, so I think that'll be fine. I've been kinda resistant to the idea of lots of side polls, but "best track Eno was involved in that isn't under his name as artist or producer" might be a good one. "Best Eno Production" will be one -- albums, not tracks.

classic rock! classic rock! classic rock!

CLA SSIC ROCK
CLA SSIC ROCK
CLA SSIC ROCK
CLA SSIC ROCK

*lighter*

"Voter 17 gets tickets to Cheap Trick on this Block Party Weekend!"

DON: We watched the rise of Cheap Trick, and were especially pleased after their Budokan album that their songwriting chops were as good as their live chops. To see a good band writing good songs with interesting characters get hits after KISS made it look easy gratified us.

GLENN: How many times were Henley and I in situations where the chick said "I want you to want me"?

DON: Well, yeah.

Can you imagine getting stuck listening to an Eagles "Block Party Weekend Six Pack"? People lived like that for years.

sit and watch the clouds roll by
the tall grass sway in the wind

::cracks knuckles::

ok, kiddies, stay tuned to New Answers on Monday

!!!!!!

yes!

Classic Rock has been delayed long enough, hell it even got another "best of" poll canceled.

looking forward to a Monday for once.

the other poll had to die.

it was time

classic rock nomination/discussion thread coming very soon

― ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:45 PM (5 months ago)

this is the poll version of Chinese Democracy...

FREE TOMMY STINSON

this is the poll version of Chinese Democracy...

― Frobisher, Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:26 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/Boston_-_Third_Stage.jpg

classic rock nomination/discussion thread coming very soon

― ol' Wrink P's thinkpiece (some dude), Wednesday, January 1, 2014 2:45 PM (5 months ago)

this is the poll version of Chinese Democracy...

― Frobisher, Sunday, June 15, 2014 10:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If only we could have a thread-specific autoreplace that changes "Sway" to "Riad n' the Bedouins"...

totally fuckin stoked for classic rock canon obviously, and i say this as a man who completely bogged down in his plans to follow obsessively several of the last couple of results threads - but this, THIS i will set aside days for, i will set alarms for.

otm

i am committed to 100% world cup. and classic rock.

and this lamp.

Amazed we've got this far without a Can poll. And Arthur Russell.

can poll: la lechera sits in a darkened room, computer screen reflected in her fixed eyes as she votes 'mother sky', clears cookies, repeats

I'd been waiting for a giant sandbox to be installed in my living room, I wanted to be able to feel sand on my feel while running the poll

what's the matter, sh1pley, got sand in yr feel?

sometimes i cross my eyes but not my t's

I'll run an Arthur Russell if there's sufficient interest.

this is the poll version of Chinese Democracy...

if you mean its a terrible idea that's not worth pursuing, yes

also Duff McKagan angrily walked out very early in the process

haha

CLASSIC ROCK TRACKS POLL parking lot tailgate pre-party -- nominations, discussions, parameters, etc.

I want to withdraw from Royal Trux

OK. Should I drop it entirely or does someone else want to take that one on?

Should a single-artist poll run concurrently with Classic Rock? I don't know how long a nomination period some dude has in mind, then add 2 weeks for voting and a week for results...

Voting should start next week, I think. Seems fine to have a single artist poll overlapping imo.

when is Royal Trux supposed to run? I might be able to take that on if it's after July.

imo no harm in keeping the single artist polls running concurrently with genre/category polls

Trux is at #90, so not until late 2015 or early 2016 at our current pace.

I could start Eno today or tomorrow (busy with work now but will be pretty free in a couple of weeks when it's time to count), but Leee is ahead of me with Autechre and I want him to have first shot if he's ready to go.

I'll take the Royal Trux then xp

Cool ty sleeve

Paging Leee

Not that I'm saying the Ae poll is going to happen -- partly because of busyness, but mostly because I'm out of title puns -- but I was thinking of throwing just about everything into one single poll: Ae along with Gescom and Ae remixes, and maybe even Ae remixed by others.

so this mean Brian Eno or Chic Organization is next, nice.

OK, I'm going to try to get Eno going today.

hell yeah

Somebody point me to a poll that used a 30-track ballot -- I don't want to have to figure out the points from scratch.

Check that -- I'm just going to make it the standard 20.

It's just like the 20, but tracks 21-30 just dip into single digit values.

Oh yeah, that's right. (Been a while since I've done one of these!)

oh please do 30 for Eno!

stax was 30 iirc

Generative polling -- no two ballots are alike, 77 million combinations, etc etc -- Dead Finks Don't Vote — ILM Artist Poll #55 — BRIAN ENO

but mostly because I'm out of title puns

Some ideas:

Theme of Sudden RoundaVOTE - ILM Artist Poll #56 - Autechre
Voting Quarter - ILM Random Sounds on Top of Morphing Rhythms Poll #56 - Autechre
iv vv iv vv vii vote - ILM Anti Poll #56 - Autechre
Votemx56 - ILM Artist Poll #56 - Autechre

Could you put me down for Herbie Hancock? I have a hunch people will be really feeling Herbie Hancock in 2019 or whenever it ends up happening.

Will do!

I'm feeling Herbie right now. Time to put on some Mwandishi

yeahhhh

someone needs to do nick cave in the year 2020

Who's going next? I can't tell from Leee's cryptic posts whether or not he plans to do an Autechre poll at all. Does Donna Rouge post here anymore? Does Elvis T have time to tackle Spacemen 3? Radiohead? YLT et al while Clemenza's on summer break?

I'm available to do Radiohead.

lol sorry I didn't realize I was being cryptic, yeah I'm up, presentation is probably going to be buttsy though I warn everyone now.

Well, whoever wants to go next can probably get rolling -- maybe Monday? Eno is finishing today, and Classic Rock voting ends Tuesday. That would put the next voting period during Classic Rock rollout, finishing afterward.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Fxyke_gJKCo/0.jpg

Does Elvis T have time to tackle Spacemen 3

Not for several months. October at the earliest.

A. Pavement - Johnny Fever (finished)
B. Manic Street Preachers - Jamie_ATP (finished)
C. Blur - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79/some dude (finished)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre/LeRooLeRoo (finished)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (finished)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (finished)
38. The Clash - Gukbe (finished)
39. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (finished)
40. Jay-Z - some dude (finished)
41. Elton John - Johnny Fever (finished)
42. Stax - seandalai (finished)
43. Disco - Tuomas (finished)
44. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope (finished)
45. Tom Waits - chap (finished)
45B. Velvet Underground and Solo Careers (finished)
46. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (IN PROGRESS)
47. Elvis Costello - kornrulez (finished)
48. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h (finished)
49. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom (finished)
50. Steely Dan - Bee OK (finished)
51. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra (finished)
52. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain (finished)
53. Outkast - Spottie (finished)
54. Autechre - Leee
55. Brian Eno - WmC (finished)
56. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
57. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom - on hold until fall 2014
58. Radiohead - nate woolls
59. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson
62. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
63. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
64. Italo - daavid
65. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
66. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
67. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
68. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
69. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
70. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
71. Pixies - Johnny Fever
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Can - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings - remove this one?
82. John Coltrane - Tarfumes the Escape Goat
83. Stereolab - Moka
84. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
85. Genesis + solo - NickB
86. The Smiths - nate woolls
87. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
88. The Burt Bacharach songbook - WilliamC
89. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
90. Royal Trux + side projects - pollrunner change: sleeve
91. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
92. Rush - Matt #2
93. Oasis - pollrunner needed for this one
94. George Michael - Ismael Klata
95. Talking Heads - Bee OK
96. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
97. Van Halen - Johnny Fever
98. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
99. Low - aldo
100. Nine Inch Nails - chap
101. REM - rogermexico.
102. Bjork - Eric H.
103. Wu-Tang Clan - ― Spottie
104. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK
105. Covers - kornrulez6969
106. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee
107. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever
108. No Wave - sarahell
109. DFA - Van Horn Street
110. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080
111. Beatles solo careers - WilliamC
112. Erykah Badu - Eric H.
113. Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al - charlie h
114. Herbie Hancock - crüt